Circuit idea

[ren]

Hello everyone. I have been thinking about a simple circuit and I wanted to see if anyone has already built it or has seen something similar. There is a simple diagram below.

It works as such. The relays are NC with the caps in parallel to the large 12v battery. The small 12v provides power to the 555 which controls how fast/slow the relays switch on/off. When they switch on the caps are placed in series and dump back into the battery that originally filled them.

Its so simple, someone HAS to have built it no?

[Jetijs]

I remember to have read somewhere that John Bedini also had such an idea and used it for some kind of battery charger. Basically we charge up two caps from the battery and then connect them in series and attach them to battery again. The voltage on the caps will be 2x greater and this will make the battery recharge. Then the process is repeated. I remember that this produced some interesting effects. Sorry, I do not remember anything else about this. Will try to find that article.

[ren]

ahhhh...of course, Johns thought of it


Thanks Jet

[Jetijs]

Found the article! This is where I have read about this idea.
Here is a quote:

The scalar wave battery charger.

It happened on a Saturday night on the Bill Jenkins Show. I was invited to speak between the Dodger Baseball game and the news. The show had about one hour remaining to the end at 12:00 midnight.

Bill Jenkins knew nothing about what I was going to talk about that night. The time came for us to go on the air and the program started. I then proceeded to talk to the audience and I said, "Did anyone ever try this experiment: Did you ever try charging two capacitors, say about 22,000 microfarads, with 12 volts and then putting the two capacitors in series and dumping the charge across that same battery?" In the next few minutes the phone lines started to light up so I took the first phone call and answered the person's question. By the time the next call came up, it was time for news. By the time the news was over, I was on my way home with Bill.

Well two weeks went by and it came time for the next radio show. This is where Ray and Bill showed up. Bill Jenkins called for the radio station Chief Engineer, and said to Ray and Bill: "Well Show Us what You Got." Bill said, "WE HAVE A SCALAR WAVE BATTERY CHARGER." The Engineer said, "Sure you do." Bill said, "We do. We built this to John Bedini's plan." The Engineer said "OK, LET'S TEST IT." About this time Bill threw the switch on the side of the box , the lights and the motor started to run and Bill said to the station Engineer, "GO AHEAD MEASURE THE BATTERY." The station Engineer put the best meter the station owned across the battery. The Engineer looked over to Bill Jenkins and Me and said, "I do not believe this. This battery for all practical purposes is dead but yet it's running the lights and the motor and the battery is not running down."

For weeks after that the station was flooded with calls from people trying to find out where they could find this Bill and Ray. About one month after that I got a phone call from Bill. He said "Would you like to come over to my house. I said, "Sure." I got to his house and we talked for about two hours. At the end of our talk I asked Bill if I could have a copy of the circuit diagram. He said, "Sure. After all,you invented the thing."

This is where the bad part comes in. What the hell happened to Bill and Ray with this box? They never did anything with it. Here is the good part, the circuit diagram as he drew it I have only copied it in my paint program. IT'S YOURS, HAVE FUN. I NEVER BUILT IT. I ONLY HAD AN IDEA ABOUT A PORTABLE BATTERY CHARGER YOU NEVER HAD TO PLUG INTO THE WALL FOR POWER.

Some things in the circuit look wrong to me. But this is the circuit just the way I received it. So that's what I'm putting on the page. I have not studied this circuit and I haven't built it. I'm just giving you the information.

WARNING: BATTERY COULD EXPLODE IF YOU HAVE FAULTY CONNECTIONS. BUILD AT YOUR OWN RISK.

Good Luck

John Bedini

All this comes form the following site:
THE TESLA SWITCH

[ren]

nice, thanks Jet

[Sephiroth]

lol... amazingly I tried that exact set up when I saw the charger on John's page (minus the 555 timer, I wired the relays to self oscilate)

Unfortunatly it gave the expected results Batteries gradually drained.

Though I didn't try running a load with it or did any in depth tests... so it may well have produced more joules then the battery's capacity...

Good luck with it!

[jibbguy]

measurement probs

It's a cool concept, all right.... The idea of having a floating "lower" potential of a dipole source, where having a load causes more current to flow so it actually "charges" and not detracts from the source as it "normally" would, seems to be a common reoccurring theme of Tesla and others.

Somewhere, there is a very significant secret to unravel here in these concepts... Like the 4 battery Tesla Switch arrangements that are self-powered, supposedly being able to power vehicles. In those designs, is the mechanical switching causing DC transient spikes, which provide radiant energy to charge the batts? Wouldn't seem to be enough coming from there to explain the effect.

But by all accounts the complex tesla switches are a bear to get to work and supposedly only 2 people ever have. But if the principle is valid, a simple device like what you suggest might still work... Maybe making the most simple possible is the way to proceed first to prove the concept and make it easy for everyone to see. But the problem, as always, would be proving it worked...

A small electrolytic filter cap, a load resister for discharging the cap, 4 clip leads, a double-pole double-throw switch, and a small rechargeable battery.... Manually charge / discharge a cap by throwing the switch to put the cap first across the batt then across the resistor until the battery is down to a predetermined voltage measured to 4 significant digits.

Make sure the battery was always charged using old-style "flat" DC so there is no oddities of radiant charge involved to skew the data.

Then do the calcs on how much batt charge was actually used to charge the cap over time; and see if it matches a regular direct discharge across the same resistor load on the exactly same-charged level batt. You would also have to carefully measure the output of the discharging cap across the resister over time; to compare that to the batt's loss of charge over time... To measure the leakage current losses in the cap.

Maybe using two "Integrator amplifier" circuits to measure the "area under the curve" would be an easier way to measure the cap's output/discharge and input/charge (..the batt's discharge).. Integrators "adds-up" voltage over time and output it as a representative constantly-climbing dc level that can be simply read by a meter or scope. Medical research Doc's use Integrator Amps to measure total blood flow vs. time, and the analog circuit that does this is fairly easy to build using op-amps.

The problem with all that is of course unless you have really amazing results (...at least a 10% gain in COP using the cap verses the resistor), the readings and inherent error (prolly "+/-5%" total at best) will make it all inconclusive. This is the big problem doing COP measurements with batt or cap related circuits.... You'll never shut up the skeptics quibbling over a dozen different measurement accuracy issues let alone anything else, lol.

But nonetheless it would be a valuable test to do: If a cap does the same work with a lower "cost" of charging it verses the source doing it directly, this is "free energy", important news, and basis for further study.

[ren]

lol... amazingly I tried that exact set up when I saw the charger on John's page (minus the 555 timer, I wired the relays to self oscilate)

Unfortunatly it gave the expected results Batteries gradually drained.

Though I didn't try running a load with it or did any in depth tests... so it may well have produced more joules then the battery's capacity...

Good luck with it!

Sep, did you use the same battery to fire the relays? I mean was the battery that was charging and filling the caps also firing the relays for the switching?

[Sephiroth]

Hi Ren... I tried running it off the same battery and off a seperate battery. I used 2 double throw relays and used one of the throws on one relay to oscillate them. Crude, I know, but it worked.

I gave up pretty quickly mainly because this (as well as the tesla switch which basically uses the same principle) is the only device I have heard of that use AC and charge batteries under load.

[ren]

Seph, did you use caps and fill them like I specified above or was this a tesla switch system where a load was driven as well?

[Sephiroth]

I didn't use it to run a load... almost exactly the same as the schematic you have posted.