OU LENZLESS GENERATOR -design

[elias]

I think I need to replicate this ...

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi Selekolela, i looked at your design, have you built it and I see it's not the same design as Dan Quale's generator. Though i notice what looks like could be air gaps at back end of the u cores. If so, that would be interesting. If the gaps were set right in relation to flux strength and rotor blocker distance, it might have low drag and if the flux snapped back into the cores when blocker enters air gap, might generate decent output.
Otherwise, I'm thinking about alternative ways to build Dan's generator idea without needing large ring magnets.
peace love light
Tyson

[Armagdn03]

Hi Guys
We have been playing around with this idea again here in SA I had a new idea yesterday and did some flux plots using visimag and was quite surprised with the result.
What do you think? of the setup that is.
Chris

Very nice, I would build that If I were you.

[Selekolela]

Hi folks, Hi Selekolela, i looked at your design, have you built it and I see it's not the same design as Dan Quale's generator. Though i notice what looks like could be air gaps at back end of the u cores. If so, that would be interesting. If the gaps were set right in relation to flux strength and rotor blocker distance, it might have low drag and if the flux snapped back into the cores when blocker enters air gap, might generate decent output.
Otherwise, I'm thinking about alternative ways to build Dan's generator idea without needing large ring magnets.
peace love light
Tyson

Thats what made the design look good the only thing is the sizes gaps and strength of magnets is quite critical because if you change the dimensions to much it goes all kuku and the result is lost.
What I plan to do is place multiples side by side around the circumference of the disrupter.
Ive attached the flux pictures they are really good at the surface of the lamination the gauss is 9500 according to the software.

[wwdotme]

I was hoping to see someone else try this one.

Got a question I will ask anyway.

I'm guessing that without the core in the coil it won't work?
The north facing magets reverse the polarity in the core and that
is what is doing most the work?

I was looking at windmill homegrown generators with out cores
in them, Just N S magnet arrangements.

Well I'm going to try and replicate this on a small scale just one
coil. I have a section out of a transformer for my core.
My coil is 550mm x 400mm x 175mm in height.
My wire is .9mm.

Bill

[phoneboy]

Why try to avoid lenz or back torque? If you have a rotor and can generate dc equally but in opposite directions along the same axis then the forces would cancel as long as everything was symmetrical, and it's fairly easy to implement.

[bugler]

I believe that we are going to have a good water fueled engine up and running very soon,

rickoff I have tried to PM you but I don't know how to do it.

How do you thin we will get the water engine? Who is close enough to deliver it?

I have read that the energy from HHO is much less than that of Natural Gas so in order to heat a house one would need many liters of HHO per minute. Maybe it was disinformation. Do you know about this? How does HHO compare to Natural Gas? In a winter a big house needs 1.000.000 liters of natural gas.

[gyula]

any practical test?

Why try to avoid lenz or back torque? If you have a rotor and can generate dc equally but in opposite directions along the same axis then the forces would cancel as long as everything was symmetrical, and it's fairly easy to implement.

Hi phoneboy,

Your idea sounds good and I wonder if you have already managed to test it in practice?

Thanks, Gyula

[bugler]

Has anyone replicated this "simple" set up?

By the way I don't see the 3 dimensions of this set up so if anyone could explain it would be great.



What about this set up? It claims 1200watts output with 140 watts input. Is this for real? This is panacea lessons. Where are the replications and the commercial units?

[phoneboy]

@ Gyula, Not yet. Right now I only have my design in Rhino (about 90% completed) but will post some pics/renderings of the concept once it's completed.

[Mangyhyena]

Dan's Lenzless Generator could be accomplished in an easier, less costly fashion that could be immediately usable, I think. Maybe.

There is already a Lenzless generator that has been in operation for over half a century. I can't think of any adult who hasn't seen one in use. These generators are in electric guitars and they're called pickups. The coil is around a permanent magnet. The ferrous string is within the magnetic field. When plucked, the string vibrates, which cuts the magnetic field and causes it to vibrate as well. The coil generates electricity from that moving magnetic field. Yes, there is resistance, but no, that resistance is not repulsion. Hence, pickups are not subject to Lenz's Law. They are Lenzless generators because repulsion from the coil does not hinder movement of the string. Only the magnetic attraction to the string and friction hinder the string's movement.

So, how about using a much larger, more powerful magnet, wrapping it with a larger coil, then repeatedly cutting the magnetic field with a ferrous inductor? The inductor does not have to vibrate like a guitar string. It can be rotated around and around like a regular generator. Since the inductor will not pass between the magnet and the coil, but merely close enough to them to cut through the magnetic field, tolerance should be more forgiving.

To keep the cost down, I propose we use cheap off the shelf parts and build it into a simple wind turbine.

Replace the spokes on a bicycle wheel with stainless steel spokes, which are easy to find and sold in multiple places. Next, set up a bicycle wheel windmill. Instructions to build them are free and it's very easy to do. Basically, they wrap cellophane around the spokes to make the blade areas. The wheel already has bearings and a hub built into it, so that is already done for us.
Next, put these "pickups" you built close to the spokes on the back side of the windmill, so the stainless steel spokes cut the magnetic field as they pass the magnets during rotation.

To get the effect of Dan's ring magnet on the inductors, I would recommend placing pickups all the way around the wheel, so at every point during rotation the inductors are being pulled by the next magnet as they leave the one closest to them. This should reduce the magnetic drag caused by the force of attraction as the spoke exits a particular field. The pickups do not need to be in a perfect circle pattern for this. They can be placed at different heights within the circumference of the spokes and arranged so there is no point in rotation where a spoke will not be in one of the magnet's fields. This should eliminate the need for expensive ring magnets and allow less expensive magnets to be used.

That should qualify as a Lenzless Generator. The steel spokes are merely cutting the magnetic fields, causing movement in those fields and electricity in the coils. The repulsion from the coils should not act against rotation of the wheel.

I don't know how much wind would be needed to overcome the attraction force from the magnets, but once enough to turn it is reached, the attraction force against rotation should NOT increase as the speed of the wheel increases. The faster the wheel spins, the more electricity is generated. Yet, the attraction force remains constant, instead of increasing as the speed increases.

A motor can be added later to test efficiency.

It's not fair to compare pickups from a guitar to alternators and generators designed for power output, then declare the pickups useless for producing usable amounts of power. That is literally like comparing a bicycle to a car in terms of and speed. Also, pickups are designed to produce a pure signal, rather than maximum electric output, at least so far. I'm proposing configuring pickups designed for output, not a pretty signal. That means bigger, more powerful magnets with coils that have many turns.

The number of spokes multiplied by the RPM of the wheel will determine the number of oscillations from each magnet per minute. Number of magnets times that will give the total oscillations per minute of this simple Lenzless Generator.

The question here is not if this generator can output more than a standard generator. The real question is what is the output vs input ratio. If its better than what we're currently using, we can begin working with them to refine them and design better machines to harness the power.

The setup described above should output a useful amount of electricity. It should also begin working at lower wind speeds than current turbines. Taking Lenz's Law out of the equation should open doors that have previously been shut, like useful roof top turbines that are cost effective, or bicycle generators that have a higher output, or vehicle alternators that require less work from the engine to run them, or a generator that can be run with a small Stirling heat motor, ect...
I am not claiming this would lead to overunity, but I'm not saying it won't, either. Point is we don't know how it would work or what it would be useful for because we haven't tried it. Any argument for or against it are based on assumptions, which are based on our current understanding of Lenz's Law. Until we roll up our sleeves, build one, measure the results, and compare input to output, we won't know. We do know that we'll get an output if we provide an input, though. This isn't completely unknown territory. Pickups already exist, as do bicycle wheels, stainless steel spokes, and cellophane.

I see all this excitement over the Windbelt, this little wind gadget that outputs very little electricity. The turbine described above should crush that little wind machine's output handily, and for not much more money.

This should be easy enough to build from easy to find parts and not cost much money to try. It would make an excellent open source project. If we worked together instead of in secret, I'm confident something good would come of it that would be available to anyone who wants to use it. Something this simple would be very difficult to suppress if the results were freely shared and the building instructions were freely available.

Or, we can just assume its impossible and forget about even trying it. That is, after all, the easiest option. Real change is difficult and scary to most; the devil you know and all that nonsense. It would be great if people with actual integrity would step up and become involved, people who are not focused on fame or fortune and would actually share the results, help refine the machine, and help spread the word about it.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi mangyhyena, thanks for sharing.
So something like Mullers odd/even arrangement to reduce cogging.
I built a setup before using steel bolts on rotor, with steel bolt coil/core for stators with neo magnets on back and it powered many leds to full brightness and did not suffer from lentz induced drag.
Also in this arrangement, even without using the odd/even rotor/stator arrangement, it had very little cogging, so using the odd/even can only improve things.


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Could you provide a drawing to help make the idea your sharing more clear for all, thanks.
peace love light
tyson

Here it is lighting 12 leds spun by hand.


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In reponse to your last paragraph.
What you are alluding to is an evolutionary shift in consciousness, which is a work in process, as each embodied soul remembers who they really are and where they come from.
Egypt and other areas of the world are a hint at this remembering.
The pryamid of control on this planet is not likely to come from the top, as those folks are easily controlled as they are few.
We are many and can only be controlled in mind and as we awake, that control ceases.

[wantomake]

Where did this end?

@ SkyWatcher and others,

I noticed this thread started 7/16/2008 by Ash, and only lasted one page.

Was this idea a bust or someone disproved it? I am in Japan so can't try until returning back to US. Just curious. The website looked very interesting and sound.

thanks,
wantomake
PS. Thanks but I later saw on youtube and now understand. No answer needed.

[SeanK]

@ SkyWatcher and others,

I noticed this thread started 7/16/2008 by Ash, and only lasted one page.

Was this idea a bust or someone disproved it? I am in Japan so can't try until returning back to US. Just curious. The website looked very interesting and sound.

thanks,
wantomake
PS. Thanks but I later saw on youtube and now understand. No answer needed.

Wantomake, please educate use ignorant prospects .... What did you understand ?