Is perpetual motion suppression over?

[**~Imhotep~**]

Self sustaining electric power generator patented in 2007.

check this out. supposed to be based on hendershot design, is it because of the way he worded it they let it go through. anyones thoughts??

[Vulcan]

so why haven't we seen it?

[gunfighter]

Ugh.... I feel like a child learning to read again when I say this, but I read the patent and where are the pictures?!?

[jibbguy]

With Patents, you're lucky if you get drawings that look anything like the actual product

Fascinating: Great find ~Imhotep~ !

But it may take a week to shovel through that questionable pile of electron theory to figure out what it's really doing.

Maybe the patent examiner got so disgusted trying to read through it all he just let it go, lol?

[FuzzyTomCat]

Ugh.... I feel like a child learning to read again when I say this, but I read the patent and where are the pictures?!?

@ gunfighter I think "Imhotep's" Link took you to page 14, the drawings are from page 1 thru page 13 try - Self-sustaining electric-power ... - Google Patents

The US Patent office Image Files don't exist might just be a broken Link - United States Patent Application: 0070007844

[Aaron]

US2007007844A1.pdf

There are other places to actually get unaltered patents. I have seen one too many from google patents that have literally had missing information from drawings, etc... outright manipulated edits from the original. Did google do it or just the database supplier or whatever system they have? I don't know. Fact is, their database for patents have manipulated patents.

Just put this up for you.

http://www.esmhome.org/library/misc/US2007007844A1.pdf

[Tishatang]

@Aaron and all

What about this patent: 3,913,004

link: Robert Alexander: Dyna-Motor (US Patent # 3,913,004)

If you download the complete patent, it claims three times the power out than put in. I assume the working prototype made from a conventional generator, worked to get the patent?

It seems all they did was add a drive coil to act as the motor to run the machine.

I have not seen any discussion on this patent anywhere.

Chris

[ashtweth]

Yup, look at the MRA document back up on the panacea university site.
The reason why Dan Davidson got a patent (he took it from the MRA i got told) is because he stated an INCREASED efficiency , not OU.

Now they ave awarded patents for Zero point energy, so you prob could sneak some thing through the door, how ever like Jib and Aaron states, you will never reproduce any thing off them likely, so stick to open sourcing it, you can still make money, look at the water4gas, he ,makes 4 million per year in books sales form an open source (shyte) design!.

Build the MRA, that also works.. Norman Wootan knows his stuff

Ash

[Peter Lindemann]

Alexander

@Aaron and all

What about this patent: 3,913,004

link: Robert Alexander: Dyna-Motor (US Patent # 3,913,004)

If you download the complete patent, it claims three times the power out than put in. I assume the working prototype made from a conventional generator, worked to get the patent?

It seems all they did was add a drive coil to act as the motor to run the machine.

I have not seen any discussion on this patent anywhere.

Chris

Chris,

I was working with Bruce DePalma in Santa Barbara in the early 1980's when the Alexander patent made its first "rounds" in the free energy community. DePalma called Alexander (in Pasadena) on the phone and talked with him. Alexander said he wanted $250,000 just to show the machine. DePalma told him that would be easy to get, so when could they come? Then Alexander said, "well, if its that easy, the price just went up!"

The bottom line was, you couldn't get a straight answer from the guy. All attempts to replicate the machine, as it is described in the patent, have failed.

Peter

[jibbguy]

interesting point...

That was a great story Peter

Got me thinking ("...ut-oh..."):

If there are inventors who act like this out of whatever reason, then the Open Source "door" would itself act as an very useful filtering agent... Like very effectively exposing someone who has really no intention of ever showing something real: Either because they believe their invention to be too "good" to ever show and they expect someone to just hand them a billion on heresy (which is, of course, insane); or they really don't have anything to show anyway (the usual "Aetheric Smoking Mirror-Powered Bovine Solid Waste Distiller" ).

So the requirement to produce... Just to get people to work on the inventor's behalf, should cull out these "no-shows" effectively... And perhaps do a much better job of it than the old heresy, ridiculously inflated OU figures, and urban legend info we had back in the 70's and 80's mainly caused by inventor's paranoia and showmanship. So we can now be our own automatic "skeptics corner" simply by eliminating any devices that the inventors refuse to share.

[**~Imhotep~**]

it is strange that when i was searching for the hendershot generator this patent came up on google patents referencing hendershot ,but i could not find lester hendershots patent except for on rex research . i am looking over the patent and it looks operational . it is deep tech it states" Electrical oscillations in a metallic “sending coil” radiate inductive photons toward one or more “energy-magnifying coils” comprised of a photoconductor or doped semiconductor coating a metallic conductor, or comprised of a superconductor. Electrons of low inertial mass in the energy-magnifying coil(s) receive from the sending coil a transverse force having no in-line backforce, which exempts this force from the energy-conservation rule." just thought it was interesting. not easily replicated ,i would imagine.
step 1 movie is ready to be uploaded ,should be on you tube by tomorrow .i hope you guys like it ,i tried to make it easy. .

[**~Imhotep~**]

That was a great story Peter

Got me thinking ("...ut-oh..."):

If there are inventors who act like this out of whatever reason, then the Open Source "door" would itself act as an very useful filtering agent... Like very effectively exposing someone who has really no intention of ever showing something real: Either because they believe their invention to be too "good" to ever show and they expect someone to just hand them a billion on heresy (which is, of course, insane); or they really don't have anything to show anyway (the usual "Aetheric Smoking Mirror-Powered Bovine Solid Waste Distiller" ).

So the requirement to produce... Just to get people to work on the inventor's behalf, should cull out these "no-shows" effectively... And perhaps do a much better job of it than the old heresy, ridiculously inflated OU figures, and urban legend info we had back in the 70's and 80's mainly caused by inventor's paranoia and showmanship. So we can now be our own automatic "skeptics corner" simply by eliminating any devices that the inventors refuse to share.

you are correct .that is why i am sharing all my research open source hoping people can replicate them and the profit they receive is energy saving hopefully

[Tishatang]

Peter

Thanks for your answer on the Alexander patent. I thought it looked too easy.

I think many of these so-called inventors just want to get their name in the paper at least once before they die? It's the ones that really have something that get suppressed.

Since you worked with Bruce DePalma, you should be familiar with his N-Machine.
I am going to open a thread for an idea I call the Homo-polar Pendulum. It's an idea I have had for a while. I don't know if it has been tried?

Chris

[morpher44]

coilpacitor / hendershot

Hendershot was mentioned in this thread. Take a look at the "Coilpacitor" thread if interested in Hendershot.

[The Saint]

I believe I have come up with a new type of perpetual energy production. My idea is using ocean water pressure. The deeper you go into the ocean the higher the water pressure. My idea is quite simple. Put a tube or pipe inside of another pipe in order to keep the inside pipes surface pressure the same as the surface pressure. I image you would have to anchor the pipe to the ocean floor because it will want to float. The purpose of the inside pipe is to be opened at an optimal depth and then open. When the inside pipe is opened the water will rush up the pipe much like an when oil was struck in early versions of oil drills. If a hydro-turbine is put a the surface of the pipe the gushing water can be used to create electricity.

Does this make sense?

How am I wrong? or am I correct?