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  • Water Spark Plug and the Hydraulic Ram?

    The water spark plug is using a method that,
    in my thoughts, resembles how a Hydraulic Ram
    works. (references given below)

    The Hydraulic Ram uses just 2 one way values and the movement
    of the water itself to pump to a higher head (voltage).

    The 1st value in the Hydraulic Ram equals the diode in the
    water spark plug slamming shut to create higher voltage.

    The 2nd value only opens due to the increased pressure
    (water hammer) created from the 1st value closing.

    The questions becomes:
    Can only this increase in pressure be skimmed off as in
    a Hydraulic Ram?
    Is is possible to keep the original input and only skim off
    this increase?
    I don't know the proper words/terms to use and I hope the
    idea comes across.

    Link to understand how a Hydraulic Ram works view
    Home-made Hydraulic Ram Pump

    A different view (type) of a Hydraulic Ram (without all the pipe parts)
    http://www.lifewater.ca/tshydro_modern.gif

    Aaron mentions the "Gas pressure analogies" in
    http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post22483
    but Gas pressure analogies might be falling short of explaining
    all the characteristics that might be happening.
    One can not pump Gas using a Hydraulic Ram method, for example.
    Last edited by Vortex; 08-03-2008, 11:51 PM.
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    Tesla quoting Buddha: "Ignorance is the greatest evil in the world."

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    Wter Spark Plug Interaction

    More likely it is the natural phenomena of lightning and thunder where plasma and polarized water droplets interact creating supersonic pressure wave. This pressure wave creates thunder, in the industry it is used to form metal and strengthen metal’s surfaces improving its fatigue life see,
    The cause of thunder
    ILL ANNUAL REPORT 2002
    http://www.df.lth.se/%7Esnorkelf/Lon...00000000000000

    "The cause of thunder
    Alternative proposals rely on electrodynamic effects of the massive current acting on the plasma in the bolt of lightning."
    thunder: Definition, Synonyms and Much More from Answers.com
    Al

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    • #3
      Originally posted by aljhoa View Post
      More likely it is the natural phenomena of lightning and thunder where plasma and polarized water droplets interact creating supersonic pressure wave. This pressure wave creates thunder, in the industry it is used to form metal and strengthen metal’s surfaces improving its fatigue life see ...
      I've wondered about the industrial use of plasma in shaping
      metal and what not but have never followed up on that, figuring
      I'd never be using plasma for metal work personally.
      So thanks to you I've learned it's the shock wave created by
      the plasma and water that does the work.

      I was thinking the effect
      created by the HV diode slamming shut is like that
      of the 1st value in the hydraulic ram closing.
      That effect happens before the spark and the plasma occurs.

      Randy
      Remember to be kind to your mind ...
      Tesla quoting Buddha: "Ignorance is the greatest evil in the world."

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      • #4
        Water plasma interaction

        Subsonic flame propagation in the ICE heats up combustion byproducts that are mostly water. The ICE (steam engine) operates on pressures around 1000psi. The plasma water interaction generated supersonic shock wave can create internal stresses in metals close to 200000psi (compressive and bending). Lightning can split a tree in half having typical 10000psi tensile strength. Possible O.U. between 10 and 200.
        See also the attachment, Al.
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