magnetic motor

[Karl_Palsness]

Interesting vid...you decide.


Perpetual Energy? - Video

Karl

[elias]

Really interesting!

It seems really simple to build!

[patmac]

Permanent Magnets get deplete them?

Permanent magnets motors can loose their magnetics fields when are worked on magnetic motors? Is that true?

I was reading on internet too is posssible recover magnetic field by a inductor.

What do you think?

[Peter Lindemann]

Non-Sense

Interesting vid...you decide.


Perpetual Energy? - Video

Karl

Karl,

This video is classic, BS for the gullible! There is nothing in this design which even remotely suggests that you can make a working Permanent Magnet Motor this way. A thousand people have tried and failed. In the final scene, where you cannot see behind the wheel, I assure you, there is a battery running the motor and the light.

The final TIP OFF that it is a fraud is the last frame of the film, where it says: "HAVE FUN". Ya, right, have fun wasting your time! The guy who makes these films IS having fun seeing how many others he can fool with his goofy vids.

I'm not fooled by this junk, anymore. Its a fraud, pure and simple.

On the more charitable side, and since the guy making the films is "having fun", I guess it is more correct to say "its a joke, pure and simple". I do not recommend anybody in these forums try to build this, however, unless your goal is to "have fun". There is no new science to learn here.

Peter

[Jules Tresor]

very nice indeed

it's a simple replication f Hokei MINATO's wheel ! !

the polemic goes that you have to move the hand with the magnet for it to works. If the external magnet is fix, it doesn't work ... I never tried.

but for sure Minato succeded in creating and patenting a magnetic motor ... it uses an electromagnetic coil to send a pulse for the rotor to pass the gap; only with permanent magnets it would be very delicate to adjust.

so his magnet motors use 20% the electricity of the normal equivalent electric motors.

so it's overunity, and that's why we never saw this motors on the market, even if he get a contract to manufacture 10.000 fans using his concept, in Japan ... they kind of bought him with that ...

you can see more there : Kohei Minato: Magnet Motor

MDG

[robur]

Magnetic Flux Gating

i have the parts for this now. it looks interesting i have almost everything exept that the activation magnet would be ceramic not neodium as i do not have another neodium ones.

it is similar to another motor like this that has a minus-after certain period of time it stops or slows down conciderably because magnets in the chain loosing their propertys so the question is really if it works how long can it run before it stops.

it is most probably based on curve effect. curved magnetic field slides off the more powerfull field of activator.

my good friend from usa and me have designed a fool proof magnetic motor that would work in any conditions and run for years. lack if interest in the idea have closed the door for further development. it is based on magnetic GATE EFFECT. creating a gate of magnetic fields that pass the object along side like the MAGLEV track. there are small demos of it on youtube and other site like google video etc but none of these can be used to build it. we spent 4 month designing and developing. i developed 5 systems total.


i was once before goer and frequent poster on many yahoo group. sheer lack of knowlegeble people and heavy sceptesism have seased that. i do not post any more. why bother if they don't want it anyway? or don't even try to understand the principles.


perhaps here is different

[Aaron]

magnetic motor

Robur,

I am very interested in learning of your magnetic motor. Feel free to start a new thread on it. It may generate a lot of interest.

[elias]

Guys

What do you think about this one? MAGNET MOYTORS

I couldn't figure out why it shouldn't work, so I decided to build one! The parts would be ready by the end of the week, hope to see something spinning freely at last.

Elias

[robur]

magnetic motors

dear mr linderman


i am sure you are aware of magnetic effect of so called MAGLEV track.

it is an arrangement where the magnets are assambled the way that the flux of fields is moving ONE WAY ONE from top to bottom or from bottom to top.

this system of fluxing cannot make a rotor spin. not a like wheel based rotor because once the field is curved the effect drops dramatically or dissapeares completely.

the only way to m,ake it work is to run a belt on 2 or more axis with magnets placed on that belt.

then it happens as follows:

magnet #1 is attackted into the gap and is passed along the track. this turns the axel and next magnet in line enters. and so on. at the end of the gap the magnets exit. the flux is arranged from magnets of 3 different sizes.

the gap attackts constantly on one side and repels constantly on another. but this works ONLY in lineal motion. the belt or chain can spin constantly accelerating from the start. the speed is only limited by the bearings used.

and the power of magnets used.

i must addmit that torque is not great. but if use this on the 4 small dc motors like this guy shows on his wheel it can run a few DC bulbs.

i have to agree with you mt linderman on this one. i have build and tested several systems as the guy proposing and here is no evidence that is would work i have done a quick test this evening with what i have and i am sorry to report that once the magnet is moved closer to the wheel it locks here.

i sought he might have made the angle like the perendev motor. but no it does not work as he showed it.

i am a proffessional in my field. i do not have a degree in engineerring from univercity or something like that. but i work with proffessionals.

My name is Sergei. i am from Russian Federation living in the united kingdom since 2000. i am fully aware of the works done in m,any different aspects of scinece in the former USSR what is going now and what was done in the soviet era.

here are many, many pieces of technology developed here. i have several that i use and that i will post inthe agrocultural thread in due course.

[elias]

Guys

What do you think about this one? MAGNET MOYTORS

I couldn't figure out why it shouldn't work, so I decided to build one! The parts would be ready by the end of the week, hope to see something spinning freely at last.

Elias

Hi everyone,

I built this unit and it does NOT work as claimed, the reason for this is the fact that when one completes the loop of magnets they tend to SHORT OUT somehow. At least I can try different configurations by using these magnets, for testing.

The interesting fact is that when I hold a magnet inside the loop of magnets perpendicularly, the magnet tends to move in only one direction, but when it is mounted on the rotor, it does not rotate, I can't figure out why. I'll post some pictures after completing my motor.

Elias

[Peter Lindemann]

Simple Answer

Guys

What do you think about this one? MAGNET MOYTORS

I couldn't figure out why it shouldn't work, so I decided to build one! The parts would be ready by the end of the week, hope to see something spinning freely at last.

Elias

Elias,

The reason this design does not work is simple. In spite of the fact that it LOOKS like one side of the rotor should push away and the other side should be attracted, the fact is that these STRESSES in the system CANNOT be resolved by the rotor moving forward. In other words, the members that are "attracted" cannot actually get closer to each other, and the members that are "repelled" cannot get farther away from each other. Moving the rotor simply maintains the "status quo" of the forces, as the stress in the system remains the same regardless of where the rotor is.

Since the stress cannot be resolved by rotation, no WORK can be produced, and therefore, rotation is not generated by the magnetic fields.

Learn this lesson well, Elias. This exact condition shows up repeatedly in designs that don't work! Soon, you will be able to SEE it on paper, and you won't have to waste your time and money building a model.

Peter

[elias]

Elias,

The reason this design does not work is simple. In spite of the fact that it LOOKS like one side of the rotor should push away and the other side should be attracted, the fact is that these STRESSES in the system CANNOT be resolved by the rotor moving forward. In other words, the members that are "attracted" cannot actually get closer to each other, and the members that are "repelled" cannot get farther away from each other. Moving the rotor simply maintains the "status quo" of the forces, as the stress in the system remains the same regardless of where the rotor is.

Since the stress cannot be resolved by rotation, no WORK can be produced, and therefore, rotation is not generated by the magnetic fields.

Learn this lesson well, Elias. This exact condition shows up repeatedly in designs that don't work! Soon, you will be able to SEE it on paper, and you won't have to waste your time and money building a model.

Peter

Thanks! You are absolutely right, I wonder why I didn't think of this before. Anyway I can use this unit for testing various magnet configurations.

I am sure that there must be a simple way for building an all magnet motor.

[mrbreau]

Mag motor and generator?

Here is a video of a motor/generator I don't really understand. I understand the sounds of speeding up and slowing down though.

The best line in the clip is: "Overnight success takes more than fifteen years!"

Link; 4shared.com - online file sharing and storage - download Motor Generator Anomaly.VOB.FLV

Right now he wants to see if he can replicate it before he gives away the circuits and stuff, so hang in there folk.

Warren
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[Peter Lindemann]

Not so Original....

Here is a video of a motor/generator I don't really understand. I understand the sounds of speeding up and slowing down though.

The best line in the clip is: "Overnight success takes more than fifteen years!"

Link; 4shared.com - online file sharing and storage - download Motor Generator Anomaly.VOB.FLV

Right now he wants to see if he can replicate it before he gives away the circuits and stuff, so hang in there folk.

Warren
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Warren,

This guy's "unique and original" motor generator looks REMARKABLY similar to the extensive work published by John Bedini and Robert Adams over the last 20 years. If you have been following the many SSG forums, you know more than this guy, already!

Peter

[mrbreau]

Thanks

Peter? Thanks for at least looking at the video. I'm having a hard time understanding what, exactly, is going on with the free coils and also why the specific orientation of those coils.

I guess it is time to do more studying. PAH!

Warren
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