Unconventional Battery Charging Method

[gmeat]

Hi Everyone,


After further measurments I found that the lightbulb is only drawing 100 milliamps.So this explains why the batteries that are powering this have not moved much,Well, They haven't moved at all for the past 2 hours,But my charging battery has gone up to 12.83 volts so thats at least creeping up slowly.


-Gary

[Aaron]

inverse of splitting the positive?

The inverse of this?
THE TESLA SWITCH

[ren]

Hi Everyone,


Could somone enlighten me as to what the use of the switch is and it's function that I see in some of these schematics people post and in the Free Energy Generation book on pages 46 and 47.Yes, I know I'm a noob but want to understand the function of these machines better and if anyone can explain the 555 part of it also that would be gretly appreciated. Thx in advance


-Gary

Hi Gary,

You are reffering to the cap pulser I presume? Check the 24v cap pulser and Bedini solidstate oscillators thread if you need help building the circuit. If you are simply asking what the 555 does then that is fairly simple. Its function is simply to provide a periodic pulse to trigger/switch the contents of the cap into the battery. If you have seen EFTV2 or seen pics of mechanical commutators JB and others have built for this purpose you get the idea, this is just solid state components.

The 555 is isolated from the switching by the H11d1, and this is because everything past the h11d1 is built for high voltage discharges, something the 555 wont like if it is exposed to!

@Aaron, that is the exact picture I had in my mind when I first read this thread

[CitizenDC]

Hi Gmeat,
Thanks for posting your circuit diagram.
Can you tell me the voltage and amp-hour rating of the batteries you are using?

From what I can see it looks promising, especially since Tesla had a historic hand in this.

[CitizenDC]

The inverse of this?
THE TESLA SWITCH

Did you ever try charging two capacitors, say about 22,000 microfarads,
with 12 volts and then putting the two capacitors in series and dumping
the charge across that same battery?" ~ John Bedini

Was John Bedini using an analogy here? Or was he serious in taking two caps, wiring them in series and connecting them to a battery?

[gmeat]

Hi Gary,

You are reffering to the cap pulser I presume? Check the 24v cap pulser and Bedini solidstate oscillators thread if you need help building the circuit. If you are simply asking what the 555 does then that is fairly simple. Its function is simply to provide a periodic pulse to trigger/switch the contents of the cap into the battery. If you have seen EFTV2 or seen pics of mechanical commutators JB and others have built for this purpose you get the idea, this is just solid state components.

The 555 is isolated from the switching by the H11d1, and this is because everything past the h11d1 is built for high voltage discharges, something the 555 wont like if it is exposed to!

@Aaron, that is the exact picture I had in my mind when I first read this thread

Hi Ren,


Thx for the reply.I'm aware of the function of everything happening past the 555 timer with the exception of the SCR looking like its touching the emitter of the transistor (hence the reason why I asked you in an earlier post if you were using a thyristor).The other thing I'm confused about is the switch just to the right of the power battery,Which seems to go to the 555 timer.So I'm assuming that switch is a commutator like in Rick's video.The reason it's confusing to me is that if the switch controls the power than how does the 555 timer know when to fire.Also I wasn't sure if that switch was an opto-coupler coming from the H11d1 or just a commutator.Dang,I wish more people would do animations of these circuits in operation .I tend to understand those better lol.thx




-Gary

[gmeat]

Hi Gmeat,
Thanks for posting your circuit diagram.
Can you tell me the voltage and amp-hour rating of the batteries you are using?

From what I can see it looks promising, especially since Tesla had a historic hand in this.

Hi CitizenDC,


Battery #1 is a 12v 17Ah Battery,Battery #2 is a 12v 17Ah Battery and Battery#3 is a 12v 11.5 Ah battery.That was the 1st setup I ran and the 11.5 Ah battery was reading 7.2volts at startup and crept up to 7.44 volts.I have also tried moving the 12v 11.5Ah battery into position # 2 and I took the 12v 17Ah battery from position#2 out of the circuit and replaced Position #3 with a 12v 26Ah battery it charged up the 12v 11.5Ah battery slowly with the halogen light and the light was getting extremly hot so I had to replace it with a 100 milliamp bulb and charged it till about 11pm last night and today the battery sits at 12.68v from originally being at 7.4volts.The first 12v 17Ah Battery I charged with this method (And didn't document it to well), But it has a standing voltage of 12.78 from 12.55v at startup,But I was also using a halogen bulb that's rated 12v @20 watts and probably charged it around 1.5 to 2 hours.Hope this helps all.


-Gary

[gmeat]

The inverse of this?
THE TESLA SWITCH

Hi Aaron,


Thx for posting that link and the pics.I am basically doing what we see in the picture except I'm turning the #2 battery and #3 battery around in the picture you posted above.And it works quite well .


-Gary

[CitizenDC]

Hi CitizenDC,


Battery #1 is a 12v 17Ah Battery,Battery #2 is a 12v 17Ah Battery and Battery#3 is a 12v 11.5 Ah battery.That was the 1st setup I ran and the 11.5 Ah battery was reading 7.2volts at startup and crept up to 7.44 volts.I have also tried moving the 12v 11.5Ah battery into position # 2 and I took the 12v 17Ah battery from position#2 out of the circuit and replaced Position #3 with a 12v 26Ah battery it charged up the 12v 11.5Ah battery slowly with the halogen light and the light was getting extremly hot so I had to replace it with a 100 milliamp bulb and charged it till about 11pm last night and today the battery sits at 12.68v from originally being at 7.4volts.The first 12v 17Ah Battery I charged with this method (And didn't document it to well), But it has a standing voltage of 12.78 from 12.55v at startup,But I was also using a halogen bulb that's rated 12v @20 watts and probably charged it around 1.5 to 2 hours.Hope this helps all.


-Gary

Hi Gmeat,

Thanks for the information, this is very helpful in getting me started.
I will need to buy a couple more lead acid batteries again but in the meantime I will do a mini experiment with three 9v alkaline batteries and some led's. Then move to lead acids and a 12v halogen.

Many thanks

[gmeat]

Hi Gmeat,

Thanks for the information, this is very helpful in getting me started.
I will need to buy a couple more lead acid batteries again but in the meantime I will do a mini experiment with three 9v alkaline batteries and some led's. Then move to lead acids and a 12v halogen.

Many thanks

Hi CitizenDC,



Thanks for the reply,And let me know of your results.I'm currently using a small 12v 90mm computer fan thats pulling 230 milliamps instead of the lightbulb just to stress the batteries a bit more to get an idea of how it will hold up with more of a load (because I think it would take till next year to get results when only pulling 100 milliamps with the bulb ).I also fried that halogen that I was using ,oh well.


-Gary

[patmac]

Aaron that system is named split the positive too?
Can works with big capacitors?

[patmac]

Is this the same principle?

I designed this in software simulation, with one capacitor like batt charge.

Look the scopes. it's like 2X energy. Is this Tesla Switch principle?

[CitizenDC]

Idea!

Hi CitizenDC,
Thanks for the reply,And let me know of your results.I'm currently using a small 12v 90mm computer fan thats pulling 230 milliamps instead of the lightbulb just to stress the batteries a bit more to get an idea of how it will hold up with more of a load (because I think it would take till next year to get results when only pulling 100 milliamps with the bulb ).I also fried that halogen that I was using ,oh well.

-Gary

Hi Gmeat,

Ooh ... too bad about the halogen. Fortunately they're easily replaceable.

I was thinking about your setup and have an IDEA!
Okay, so you need something to draw current to get this all working.
How about you stick a SSG(mod your fan into an ssg fan) in there to draw power instead of the halogen bulb?!
By doing so your SSG will draw power and have the ability by design to dump its flyback charge into another battery.
I reckon doing this will allow you to charge a forth battery or even one of the existing batteries in your circuit.

What do you think?

[Sephiroth]

Hi Gmeat,

Ooh ... too bad about the halogen. Fortunately they're easily replaceable.

I was thinking about your setup and have an IDEA!
Okay, so you need something to draw current to get this all working.
How about you stick a SSG(mod your fan into an ssg fan) in there to draw power instead of the halogen bulb?!
By doing so your SSG will draw power and have the ability by design to dump its flyback charge into another battery.
I reckon doing this will allow you to charge a forth battery or even one of the existing batteries in your circuit.

What do you think?

I tried that method before though at the time didn't see any improvement in performance.

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the problem is even though you are supplying 24v to the system, the coil only sees 12v of it as the rest is blocked by the charging battery.

Another thing to think about is when you put two batteries in series their total capacitance halves. for example, if you put battery 1 and 2 in series you will get a 12v 8.5amp hour battery from 2 x 12v 17ah batteries. So on some of these set ups you have to decide whether it is worth sacrificing half your capacitance for the extra voltage.

though this is an interesting experiment that relates to the capacitor experiment I showed in the "conservation of charge violated" thread.

when you connect two batteries in parellel (one charged and one discharged) the voltages will equalize as current flows from the charged battery to the uncharged. However, HALF your energy disappears. This is apparently due to heat being disipitated from the circuit. I know this isn't exactly how your set up is, but I'm getting to that!

The interesting thing is half the energy is lost no matter what value resistor you place between the batteries. That means you can put a load between them, like a halogen bulb, and the voltages will equalize to exactly the same level as they would without the load on the circuit.

[patmac]

I tried that method before though at the time didn't see any improvement in performance.

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the problem is even though you are supplying 24v to the system, the coil only sees 12v of it as the rest is blocked by the charging battery.

Another thing to think about is when you put two batteries in series their total capacitance halves. for example, if you put battery 1 and 2 in series you will get a 12v 8.5amp hour battery from 2 x 12v 17ah batteries. So on some of these set ups you have to decide whether it is worth sacrificing half your capacitance for the extra voltage.

though this is an interesting experiment that relates to the capacitor experiment I showed in the "conservation of charge violated" thread.

when you connect two batteries in parellel (one charged and one discharged) the voltages will equalize as current flows from the charged battery to the uncharged. However, HALF your energy disappears. This is apparently due to heat being disipitated from the circuit. I know this isn't exactly how your set up is, but I'm getting to that!

The interesting thing is half the energy is lost no matter what value resistor you place between the batteries. That means you can put a load between them, like a halogen bulb, and the voltages will equalize to exactly the same level as they would without the load on the circuit.

Sephiroth

you've tried by using three batteries 9 volts with a bulb?

ever charge battery is charged. the voltage seems ever equal but strange seems battery loose internal resistence then loose capacity to make the work

I' tried too with three AA NI-MH and bulb as load, charge battery ever get charge. then changed the position putting low volts batts as charge batt, by all day. near too 10 interchanges, but results was the same like 9 volts batts.

Batteries never loose all charge, you can checked putting the bulb directelly and bright totally.

My question is this: what type batt can work in this mode?
maybe we need put the load with rules C20, in Bedini's page on icehouse.net, says that cigar box worked with nickel cadmium batts.