Unconventional Battery Charging Method

[patmac]

Ooops sorry, only need invert COLECTOR - EMITER.

[patmac]

Ok. I found three batts alkaline 9 volts, I will see if my Bedini SG small, run with them. This Bedini SG, is relatively small, very efficient in my test the rotor run with 2.5 volts. So I think by using this 9 volts batts, with a electrolytic capacitor to get better impendance on pulses. is possible make it run. If run and neon bright, THE MATCH BEGIN

[gmeat]

Hi Patmac,

>> Well is some problematic, SSG fan don't run on 9 volts, for me at least.
Mmm, 9v batteries can supply only little amperage. Thanks for trying!

>> ahhh ok... no problem... you will not believeme , my Bedini Fan works with PNP
>> transistors, because I had no NPN but works well
Cool. Did you wire it up the same way you would an NPN in your circuit?


Hi Burned_NE2

>> and it seems to be working fine.
Great, you have it running.


>> I'll still wait and see what the results are Voltage/capacity running temperature
>> wise on the batteries again tomorrow before comparing to your circuit but so >> far it's running fine

Okay, the circuit is a standard bedini type, the only difference is the charging battery is connected center parallel to two supply/input batteries.

Here is the idea.


Thanks!

Hi CitizenDC,


Thanks for taking the time to make up the schematic to run on the SSG . I'm really not sure what to expect from this setup,But I'm itching to get my SSG up and running again to give this a test run .Thx to All for the input


-Gary

[patmac]

Bad news, no way to make it run with 9 volts battery... Sorry.

I can't run this test. I would need batteries Gel acid.

[CitizenDC]

>> Gmeat wrote:
>> Thanks for taking the time to make up the schematic to run on the SSG
No problem Gmeat!

>> Patmac:
>>Bad news, no way to make it run with 9 volt battery... Sorry.
Mmm. What are the voltage and amperage requirements of your fan ssg?


Guys, at last some theory on whats going on.

Tesla used the fact that lead ions are heavier than electrons. Every circuit, in it transitory phase (from zero-volt to x volts) develops a much higher voltage applied on the negative side. This voltage (pile-up of electrons meeting the much heavier lead ions) is then normally distributed in the circuit. If you cut off the load and the source battery, all the voltage made by the electrons gathered at the negative side of the battery you want to charge, go in that battery. If you do that from 200 to 800 times per second, you can charge the destination battery (lead-acid) in a very short time (tens of minutes). By switching the batteries between them, you restart the process and reload the source battery.

Important Free Energy Principle: Every circuit, in it transitory phase (from zero-volt to x volts) develops a much higher voltage.
So with the more advanced Tesla switch, the idea is to keep switching the batteries from one direction to another frquently enough so that the electron/lead-ion build-up is continually present in the circuit, with this buildup the environment energy (zero point) is attracted.

A lot of the theory is found here --> D3.pdf

[patmac]

This Bedini FAN run on 12 volts, medium speed.
My Bedini SG, run from two AA batteries but no output BackEMF. So to operate recovering energy needs 6 volts.

I don't know but must have one way to test this theory.

[patmac]

Ok I made the schematics with the bulb

3 batts rechargeables NiMH, totally charged.

Ok. First time the bulb were 2 hours ON aprox, bulb is rated 2.5 volts x 0.3 amps. Obiviusly no full bright, only I disconnected when light is no visible.

Now I'm interchanging batts position each 30 mins aproximatly. Bright is very poor, but no change in each interchange batts.

That is good. very good. Ever I've checked the batts. and one batts (3) ended fully charged. Batt (2), discharged to 1.22 volts and Batt (3) discharged to 1.20 volts.

I like this setup.

[CitizenDC]

3 batts rechargeables NiMH, totally charged.

Ok. First time the bulb were 2 hours ON aprox, bulb is rated 2.5 volts x 0.3 amps. Obiviusly no full bright, only I disconnected when light is no visible.

Now I'm interchanging batts position each 30 mins aproximatly. Bright is very poor, but no change in each interchange batts.

That is good. very good. Ever I've checked the batts. and one batts (3) ended fully charged. Batt (2), discharged to 1.22 volts and Batt (3) discharged to 1.20 volts.

I like this setup.

Nicely done.
My three 9v's I setup with an LED last week are still running. The voltage drops after some time on battery 3, then I simply swap it with battery 2 and all is well again for a day or so.
I'm busy discharging (c20) 1 of 3 lead acids for testing in this week.

cheers

[gmeat]

Circuit does'nt work with SSG

Hi Everyone,



I tried to hook this circuit up to the SSG today and found I would get a short circuit.Luckily, I didn't smoke any more transistors.I hooked up the return from the collector to battery #2 position and had the negative also hooked up to the #2 battery but when I went to hook up the positive from the #1 battery it shorted out,This happened without the negative being hooked up yet.So this idea about trying to return the output from the collector to the middle battery doesn't work with the SSG .


-Gary

[CitizenDC]

Hi Everyone,
I tried to hook this circuit up to the SSG today and found I would get a short circuit.Luckily, I didn't smoke any more transistors.I hooked up the return from the collector to battery #2 position and had the negative also hooked up to the #2 battery but when I went to hook up the positive from the #1 battery it shorted out,This happened without the negative being hooked up yet.So this idea about trying to return the output from the collector to the middle battery doesn't work with the SSG .

-Gary

Similar problem. I got the SSG oscillating , but I'd need really high amperage cables between battery 2 and battery 3 to keep it running longer than a few seconds. The SSG output was wired to battery 2.
Battery 2 would charge fast, battery 3 would drain fast too. The SSG circuit didnt appear effected, tested the temps on the diodes, resistor and transistor, no heat detected. (Didnt test the fan SSG coils though!)

The amp draw between B2 and B3 was far too high... So i stopped, but keeping it on there for a few seconds pushed the B2's voltage up by around 0.30-0.50v.
I noticed that if I protected the SSG's output negative wire with another diode the SSG stopped but there was still a small current/voltage moving through the circuit. B2 would charge and B3 would discharge slowly.

Now I've got it running with the outputs charging a 4th isolated battery. May as well test this setup and see how long I can keep it running optimally by swapping the isolated battery each time with one of the other ssg input batteries.

Gmeat, Patmac,
If you guys have any ideas for changes to the circuit, I'd be interested in testing it out.

Cheers!

Test setup, 3x 12v-7AH batteries. Fan SSG in oscillation mode.

[gmeat]

Similar problem. I got the SSG oscillating , but I'd need really high amperage cables between battery 2 and battery 3 to keep it running longer than a few seconds. The SSG output was wired to battery 2.
Battery 2 would charge fast, battery 3 would drain fast too. The SSG circuit didnt appear effected, tested the temps on the diodes, resistor and transistor, no heat detected. (Didnt test the fan SSG coils though!)

The amp draw between B2 and B3 was far too high... So i stopped, but keeping it on there for a few seconds pushed the B2's voltage up by around 0.30-0.50v.
I noticed that if I protected the SSG's output negative wire with another diode the SSG stopped but there was still a small current/voltage moving through the circuit. B2 would charge and B3 would discharge slowly.

Now I've got it running with the outputs charging a 4th isolated battery. May as well test this setup and see how long I can keep it running optimally by swapping the isolated battery each time with one of the other ssg input batteries.

Gmeat, Patmac,
If you guys have any ideas for changes to the circuit, I'd be interested in testing it out.

Cheers!

Test setup, 3x 12v-7AH batteries. Fan SSG in oscillation mode.

Hi CitizenDC,


In my experience with running this circuit with the SSG I,Also noticed the amp draw was pretty high.I also noticed that the SSG could'nt run at first because I had 1 battery that I basically let die (4.7ish volts),Stay in one of the power positions.The way I see this is that 2 batteries are over riding the 1 battery in thiis circuit.So basically I had about 16-17 volts going through a 12 volt battery which left me roughly 4-5 volts to power the SSG.I only got it to run after replacing the dead battery.Yesterday I charged up my 26Ah battery to 13.23 standing volts and ran my little 90mm fan all day swapping battery 2 and battery 3 in and out about every time the 26Ah battery got down to 13v and by about 1 am this morning I gave up lol.The 26Ah battery read 13.07v and the 17Ah battery read 12.74v but I'm not sure where that battery started at but I've been using that battery since I started this thread without recharging it and basically the 3rd battery is dead.I'm really not sure how efficient this setup is but I'm enjoying the cool breeze from the fan siiting on my computer desk .The only other idea for this circuit that I can think of is if I can expand the battery bank meaning - + > + ->- +>+ ->- + as an example.So now I have added 2 more batteries to the equation and the idea is that now the percentages start to swing in a way that I LIKE ,I think.Thx for sharing your results



-Gary

[Druide]

Batteries in series

I tried that method before though at the time didn't see any improvement in performance.

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the problem is even though you are supplying 24v to the system, the coil only sees 12v of it as the rest is blocked by the charging battery.

Another thing to think about is when you put two batteries in series their total capacitance halves. for example, if you put battery 1 and 2 in series you will get a 12v 8.5amp hour battery from 2 x 12v 17ah batteries. So on some of these set ups you have to decide whether it is worth sacrificing half your capacitance for the extra voltage.

though this is an interesting experiment that relates to the capacitor experiment I showed in the "conservation of charge violated" thread.

when you connect two batteries in parellel (one charged and one discharged) the voltages will equalize as current flows from the charged battery to the uncharged. However, HALF your energy disappears. This is apparently due to heat being disipitated from the circuit. I know this isn't exactly how your set up is, but I'm getting to that!

The interesting thing is half the energy is lost no matter what value resistor you place between the batteries. That means you can put a load between them, like a halogen bulb, and the voltages will equalize to exactly the same level as they would without the load on the circuit.

Last week, I tried to run my SSG on 24 Volts by connecting 2 new 100 Ah batteries in series on the front end. That increased the charging rate a bit. Yesterday morning, as I woke up, I took some voltage readings (like every morning since my SSG's running) and one of the two batteries in series was completely discharged, it had a negative voltage reading of minus 0.2 volts ! That means irreversible dammages to the battery.

So I put that dead battery on the charging side of the circuit and now, it reads 11.84 volts. Will try do put a load on it and drain a volt or so, and recharge it again, to see if I can bring it back to life.

I think I won't never again run my SSG on 24 volts.

Keep on sharing open source engineering !

Druide

[gmeat]

Last week, I tried to run my SSG on 24 Volts by connecting 2 new 100 Ah batteries in series on the front end. That increased the charging rate a bit. Yesterday morning, as I woke up, I took some voltage readings (like every morning since my SSG's running) and one of the two batteries in series was completely discharged, it had a negative voltage reading of minus 0.2 volts ! That means irreversible dammages to the battery.

So I put that dead battery on the charging side of the circuit and now, it reads 11.84 volts. Will try do put a load on it and drain a volt or so, and recharge it again, to see if I can bring it back to life.

I think I won't never again run my SSG on 24 volts.

Keep on sharing open source engineering !

Druide

Hi Druide,


Sorry to hear that you completely discharged 1 of your batteries.I'm not sure why that would happen.Did you fry a transistor?.I have run my SSG many of times on 24 volts with no problems although you have to watch your amp draw otherwise you can fry the transistor (I have done this numberous times ) .I'm a little confused as to why only 1 battery discharged and not the other as you said they were in series right?.I would suggest checking that your transistor is ok (a sure sign that its blown is when you hook up the SSG to power battery and amperage is already flowing before turning the wheel).Let me know what went wrong if you find out.Thx



-Gary

[Druide]

Hi Druide,


Sorry to hear that you completely discharged 1 of your batteries.I'm not sure why that would happen.Did you fry a transistor?.I have run my SSG many of times on 24 volts with no problems although you have to watch your amp draw otherwise you can fry the transistor (I have done this numberous times ) .I'm a little confused as to why only 1 battery discharged and not the other as you said they were in series right?.I would suggest checking that your transistor is ok (a sure sign that its blown is when you hook up the SSG to power battery and amperage is already flowing before turning the wheel).Let me know what went wrong if you find out.Thx



-Gary

Hi Gary

The transistor is OK, everything works fine, the current draw is around 150 mA. The battery that completely discharged was the one with the + connected to the - of the charging battery and it was connected in series with another 12 V battery to get 24 V on the front end. All my batteries are connected with 12 AWG wires. The wire that linked the two batteries in series was 4 AWG. Could this be the source of problem ??? Batteries are strange beasts.

Anyway, fortunately these batteries are guaranteed, I returned the dead one to the store and they replaced it right away

Keep on sharing open source engineering

Druide

[gmeat]

Hi Everyone,



This is the latest adaptation of my SSG with a twist.I would suggest not running more than a couple of miilliamps through this circuit to start out.I have ran 440 milliamps @ 30 volts through this circuit without any problems so far.I wont be held responsible for anyone who may want to replicate this setup because it may just ruin your batteries.Let me ruin my batteries first .Happy experimenting .



-Gary