@Admins: What has Radiant-1/CensorThis done for deleting his posts and blocking him?

[magnetO]

Hi,

I do not understand why you are censoring him?

What has he done?

What did he wrong?

Its hard to me understanding what he is writing, but I didnt read anything what was unrespectfully to other members.

Could anyone explain it to me, please?

Thank you
magnetO

[Matthew Jones]

HE has post here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...lse-motor.html

What was it they deleted?

Matt

[CitizenDC]

Hi,

I do not understand why you are censoring him?

What has he done?

What did he wrong?

Its hard to me understanding what he is writing, but I didnt read anything what was unrespectfully to other members.

Could anyone explain it to me, please?

Thank you
magnetO

Please reinstate Radiant-1's account. I've found he's participation here beneficial in my own learning process.
Regards,

citizendc9@hotmail.com

[swompwalker]

Whatever Radiant-1 has been judged guilty off; we all from time to time behave inappropriately - due to excitement/ frustration/ over exhaustion or just one a them days! He is one of a number of gifted and intuitive contributors to this site. His departure would very much diminish these forums

[darkwizard]

What happened?

[Gre]

............?

[Peter Lindemann]

My Two Cents

Hi Folks,

I am not afraid to stand up for the Administrators in this situation. First of all, I must admit that I did not see the posts that were the cause for the action. But I do know this. Energetic forum differs from most other forums on the Internet for two specific reasons.

1) The threads are asked to focus on a very narrow set of topics and not allowed to meander all over the place. This allows participants to follow the developments with relative ease and clarity. If new ideas are introduced, they are not censored, but simply asked to start a new thread.

2) The threads are not allowed to be a public forum for personal attacks between participants. Most forums, everywhere else, are filled with these rude and obnoxious comments, which, again, have nothing to do with the thread topic. These type of posts make the threads very difficult to follow, and reduce the intellectual environment to nothing more that an emotional garbage scow.

This "requirement" to be polite goes back to the very best tradition in science, where it used to be assumed that honest, intelligent, well-meaning experimenters could hold unique, and divergent opinions and interpretations regarding the same, observed phenomena. No one was assumed to be "wrong" or "bad" because they held a differing opinion. It created an environment for lively debate and in-depth investigation. The only requirements for this environment to flourish were intelligence and civility.

The Administrators of this forum are the gate-keepers of these standards, as best they understand them. And while they have not always done what I would have done, they have succeeded in creating one of the most "civil" and "focused" forums on the entire Internet. For this achievement, they have my unqualified support and profound admiration.

Now, with regard to Radiant-1. Personally, I found most of his posts to be insightful and intelligent. I know many of you agree with that assessment. But if some of his posts were deleted, it was for a personal attack on someone. In this case, it was a personal attack on Aaron, who is one of the Administrators. No post has ever been deleted because of scientific information, or for expressing an alternative idea. To be "banned", a person must repeat the offense that caused the original post to be deleted.

This is a PUBLIC FORUM. Anyone in the world can view it. It would be SOCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE to leave posts that disparage a person's character in such a forum, especially when that comment only constitutes one person's emotional outburst. NO ONE has the right to turn this forum into a billboard for their rude and uncivil behavior. For that, I am quite glad!!

If Radiant-1 has been banned, it is his own fault, based on his own repeated behavior.

That's my two cents.

Peter

[magnetO]

No billboard for rude and uncivil behavior

But if some of his posts were deleted, it was for a personal attack on someone. In this case, it was a personal attack on Aaron, who is one of the Administrators. No post has ever been deleted because of scientific information, or for expressing an alternative idea. To be "banned", a person must repeat the offense that caused the original post to be deleted.

This is a PUBLIC FORUM. Anyone in the world can view it. It would be SOCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE to leave posts that disparage a person's character in such a forum, especially when that comment only constitutes one person's emotional outburst. NO ONE has the right to turn this forum into a billboard for their rude and uncivil behavior. For that, I am quite glad!!

If Radiant-1 has been banned, it is his own fault, based on his own repeated behavior.

That's my two cents.

Peter

Hi Peter,

all you are writing is absolutly correct.
But nothing of the above your quote is concerning to Radiant-1 / CensorThis.

Around posting#765 (+-) there was a post from Radiant-1 (the last one?) and a direct reply to from Aaron. Right in subject they had been in different opinion. Radiant-1 did "expressing an alternative idea" (which I didnt understand quite due to lack in electromagnetics and english), and he asked (again) for discussion. In the reply Aaron gave his own view to topic, and told him being careful with new theories, or so.

I couldnt see a "personal attack" to anyone.

Radiant-1 (I saw his video) is only 23years old. He is young and hot on researching. He has something like "fire under the a..". He is maybe a little bit unpatient, but intelligent. And he tries to learn (even from own failure).

I did read both posting, saw different opinion and no attack. Later on both were deleted. oooch! I would have had read twice and third for better understanding.
Okay, no discussion needed, therefore posts deleted.

So that was on Thursday or so.

Then inbetween there was a reply from smw1998a (#780), and a answer to this reply. Saturday moring (GMT) a user @CensorThis did answering to smw1998a. No attack, no spam, no offense, only right, strait subject, and telling he had learned, but this dont touch his hypothesis. Aaaah, I thought, junior member (1 post) CensorThis couldnt be anyone else but Radiant-1.

Why didnt he post with Radiant-1? Banned? (Later on this post was deleted, too).
You are saying it, Peter, BANNED!

Deleting? Okay, when necessary.
But banning?
Banning for REPEATED behave?
BEHAVE what? Yes, he may be unpatient sometimes! Of course, he is young!


Please, do ban him for a short period of time, a week or so. And then let him post again.

We cannot cry: "Argh, youtube is censoring." And do the same.

Thanks a lot
magnetO

[insane4evr]

HI,

In some forums, members are not permanently banned outright but either temporary or sent to the readers club for some time. Repeated offense first gets warnings and if won't follow rules, then get permanently banned.

[theremart]

RE: Rules of the board.

And they say,
"You don't tug on Superman's cape,
You don't spit into the wind,
You don't pull the mask off that ol' Lone Ranger,
And you don't mess around with Aaron."

Jim Croce-1972

Modified by Mart 08/31/2008

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I fully support Aarons actions. If people want to wine and cry about it then they are free to start their own board. I am tired of wine, and cry boards they are many all over the internet, lets keep to the simple rules.

We are called to..

1. Stay on topic, or start your own sub board.
2. Don't fight on board here, you can send private messages, but not a flame war, fighting other people does not produce free energy, it consumes it.



We are free to.

1. Do the experiments!, and share our problems and victories.
2. Disagree with others results, and say I can make more free energy this way....


Aaron is admin, respect that and stay, don't respect that, then leave. The rules are simple the enforcement is simple...

[patmac]

I agree with Peter

I've searching on net so much about new energies technologies, and energeticforum is really ethic. Everybody can invent, discover, build based on patent (patent information, no ever sufficient to replicate a claim) and publish ours claims, discoveries, rares results or fault and search for help here.

I've learned so much here, and tested theories. I've not participated in those thread but yes readed many radiant-1's post and I agree with he in many theories like recovery time on diodes (on water sparkplug, radiant-1 says: diodes aren't perfect), and all about Bearden's books.

Anyway, I would like to hear (read ) the Aaron's opinion, if only we see about radiant-1 expulsion that is sectarism.

Too I would like to know if after some time radiant-1 and Aaron can give forget this inconvenient lamentable and radiant-1 can come back to energeticforum....

Thanks....

[selamatg]

I agree with you Mart,

We are called to..

1. Stay on topic, or start your own sub board.
2. Don't fight on board here, you can send private messages, but not a flame war, fighting other people does not produce free energy, it consumes it.

We are free to.

1. Do the experiments!, and share our problems and victories.
2. Disagree with others results, and say I can make more free energy this way....


Aaron is admin, respect that and stay, don't respect that, then leave. The rules are simple the enforcement is simple...

me too on this,

Too I would like to know if after some time radiant-1 and Aaron can give forget this inconvenient lamentable and radiant-1 can come back to energeticforum....

Thanks....

[Gre]

What was the actual problem? Something seems strange about this. I'm guessing he mouthed off to an Administrator in private messages, which would make the ban justifiable.

But banning a good member for going off topic in a thread seems harsh. It would be nice if someone could explain the situation so everyone doesn't have to keep guessing.

[Peter Lindemann]

No Explanation

What was the actual problem? Something seems strange about this. I'm guessing he mouthed off to an Administrator in private messages, which would make the ban justifiable.

But banning a good member for going off topic in a thread seems harsh. It would be nice if someone could explain the situation so everyone doesn't have to keep guessing.

Gre,

While I sympathize with your "want to understand" this situation, the truth is, it is none of your business! In fact, it is none of any of our business. The policy to delete messages and ban members is that these actions are meant to be NEUTRAL in their effect. They protect the person who was attacked, by removing the disparaging remarks. But they also protect the attacker from the normal consequences of his actions. If you knew what Radiant-1 did, and knew the content of all the private messages that went back and forth, you might change your opinion of him. He is being protected from that, as well.

You may want to know what happened, but the posts were deleted specifically to make sure you are NOT AWARE of what happened. To ask the administrators to "explain" their action is counter-productive to the policy. You should NOT expect any explanation.

The Administrators of Energetic Forum have stirred a remarkably neutral course in moderating these threads. (They haven't banned half the people I asked them to! ) But in the end, this is NOT a democracy. How they exercise their authority and responsibility is none of our business, and they are not asking for our opinion or our agreement. Personally, I think they are doing a GREAT JOB.

For someone to be banned here, they HAD to have taken REPEATED actions that were in direct violation of the conditions for participating. Its the only grounds for being banned. In the end, that IS the answer, whether you like it or not.

Peter

[ashtweth]

Its always going to be become ALL of our business if we cannot all collectively work and KEEP working to do R and D. If we cannot let information flow as a result, then he has to be banned. Lets not be so harsh and FIRST try and find ALT solutions, we can do this with out needing to question the integrity of the Admin and forum.

Lets look for ways to IMPROVISE and CONTINUE to let information flow, we cannot ban people like him with out seeing the simple reality that if we can MANAGE the prob FIRST then lets go there, or we will be farther behind, but if we have to , then no regrets. I think there is a COMPROMISE possible BUT LETS FIND IT FIRST AND EXHAUST IT FIRST before being a victim to the reactive mind.

Sorry to Aaron for being subjected too this, don't forget this.
thanks to PL

Ash