Aetheric stream/Radiant Energy extraction; Solid State vs analog technology

[Shamus]

Hi Amigo,

That circuit *is* doing what you're looking for, but I can understand your hesitation to run with it. I can't emphasize this enough, but the thing you're looking for is a fast shutoff time on whatever component(s) you're using to interrupt the current flow to the coil. If the shutoff time is too slow then the effect will not manifest itself.

You've seen the effect and verified that it's real (400V spikes--YOW! ); maybe you should try a mechanical interruptor before trying to go solid state?

[amigo]

Hi Amigo,
That circuit *is* doing what you're looking for, but I can understand your hesitation to run with it. I can't emphasize this enough, but the thing you're looking for is a fast shutoff time on whatever component(s) you're using to interrupt the current flow to the coil. If the shutoff time is too slow then the effect will not manifest itself.

You've seen the effect and verified that it's real (400V spikes--YOW! ); maybe you should try a mechanical interruptor before trying to go solid state?

@RotogenRay,

It would be interesting to try magnetic arc interrupter and an air gap, but that would imply having pretty high voltages to begin with which I do not have means of generating at the moment.


@Shamus,

It's not that I'm hesitant to use it - matter a fact I am using the same circuit to make batches of colloidal silver.

But because it is self-regulating I do not think it replicates the process exactly. You are right, the shut-off time has to be fast, any ideas what could I use from the solid state world to accomplish that?

I suppose I could try with some kind of a mechanical interrupter, I just don't like having any moving parts, they wear off over time.

Thanks.

[amigo]

Yey!

Finally some success...new transistor makes a ton of difference, IRF842 instead of IRFZ46N. Here are some photos:



The sparks inside the neon are pretty violent, photograph does it no justice. Since the coil I have is tri-filar, the thinnest winding (former driver) was hooked to the neon.

From the remaining windings, one is going to the oscillator interrupter, and the other to the LMD networks (two of them to be precise, I will experiment with more later).

The LMD networks boost the coil output much and the Tek scope shows 600-680Vpp spikes, while my Fluke scope shows 820Vpp, on the output of the last network. Whichever scope is right does not matter because 600Vpp+ from a 5V DC and 60mA is pretty good.

I believe the frequency to be about 50Hz or so..seeing that when I zoom out on the scope the waveforms are 20ms apart (entire positive resistance wave and whatever buffer in-between). But I could be wrong, sometimes the scopes show 76-150KHz frequency, but because it oscillates a lot they can determine it exactly.

My LMD network's resonant frequency is about 34.5KHz for this setup (2 LMD networks) when driven directly from the square wave oscillator, producing ~134.4Vrms and consuming ~69.2mA at 12V DC.

If I increase the supply voltage in the coil setup to 12V my Fluke scope shows ~1.3KV spikes which is nuts...

Still lots of things to try and do, I don't even know if this is useful in some way or it's just another toy.

[nat1971a]

Hi

Hi Amigo,

I was led to your thread via your post in the imhotep lite thread

Your circuit sounds really interesting. Please post your finished circuit.

i will certainly look at this transistor you are using.

Cheers

Nat

[amigo]

Hi nat1971a,

Here's the schematic, hopefully it's self-explanatory:

[nat1971a]

Thanks amigo,

Please advise the brand of this transistor.

It might be interesting to plug in one of imhoteps modifed CFL's into your circuit to see if that works also. You may need to plug in an ignition coil in parallel with your power winding.

I have been wondering whether a SCR oscillator would also be what you are after.

I built a crude version of Tesla's patent 568176. Input voltage was 48volts+. And the neons would glow purple/violet in colour with a bedini coil. However would glow a nice orange with Tesla's coil design with a thick copper wire or copper strap as the primary. I tried thick copper wire in the beginning then used a aluminum strap in the end as it was much cheaper. Similar to the coil in the attached picture. I am still puzzled why no one builds the coils like Tesla did as in this photo. You may also want to try a coil like Tesla orginally did it.


Cheers

Nat

[Agongon]

Thanks for the schematic Amigo.

I was about to ask you the same as what nat1971a's.

You've got something in there. There are so many things still unknown in this planet and its "parallels". If Dr. Nikola Tesla had been living in this "internet age", he could have been prouder for the likes of you.

Just do it !

[terence123]

replication of gray tube

Hi Amigo,

Aetheric stream... no, but I remember having somewhere in my archives a collection of pdf's about the info and successful replication of the gray tube. I remember that the info came from a guy called Kay, and that in one of those pdf's there is collection of messages of that successful replication.
I also remembering that in those messages the guy had problems measuring the amount of energy on the shields because it was too big.
Can dig it out if you don't have this info...

Terence.

[Shamus]

Wow!

Awesome Amigo! I knew you were almost there! Now you've got the effect where you can study it up close and personal. Be sure to let us all know what you find.

[amigo]

@ nat1971a

That is a real beauty, the coil. You and me both are wondering why people are not building the way Tesla originally did. I suppose all this progress and advancements skew the image of a century ago, as if those days were the dark ages or something.

@ terence123

I'm always interested to read new things and I do not remember reading about this one. Would you please share it with us when you get a chance?

@ Agongon, Shamus

Thanks for the encouragements, I will continue posting here, of course.

...

Somehow I feel that I need to go backwards to learn new things. Since my last post I have built another simple variable square wave oscillator and used a plain inductor/choke hooked to a MPSA06 transistor to observe the back-kicks.

Amazingly, you can get 700V peaks with just a 5V supply and a 20mH choke on a setup like I mentioned above. When I think about it, I do not even know why do we need any multi-filar coils when you get the CEMF/BEMF from this setup and can lead those pulses out via a diode to a secondary battery.

The way I see it now, there's no RE in any of the circuits people make, no matter whether it is open or closed circuit. For some reason having an open circuit makes some think that it is special and that there would RE present but I do not believe that to be the case.

Instead it is all based on standard circuit wiring, CEMF including. Its pulses of high potential force sharp gradients in the battery where the RE is (potentially) manifesting and does the charging. My understanding is that if we did not use the open circuit, charge would be grounded and we'd break the diapole and destroy the built up potential (effectively producing current?)

Am I all off here??

[Shamus]

Hi Amigo,

Yes, sometimes a step back can show you much more than trying to plow through stuff you don't understand. I know it's sure helped me! What would help at this point would be to take coils/chokes of known Henry value and seeing how much voltage you can get out of them. Also, the experiment with sending the pulses through a diode to a charge battery would probably be revealing as well. You're on the right track and asking good questions--the only way forward is to experiment and see what happens!

And you're right that most people today look on old things with contempt; it's sad that people can't look past surfaces of things. There's a lot to be said for and learned from old practices.

[Filibuster]

gray tube info

Hi terence123,
would be awefully good to have a glimpse at kay's pdf. Can't you dig it out,pls?

[boguslaw]

Hi terence123,
would be awefully good to have a glimpse at kay's pdf. Can't you dig it out,pls?

Have you ever thought why Tesla when asked about impossibility to build his coils and obtain effect shown by him, always stated that he had no trouble building them ?
I think there are two reasons :
- he perfected his devices and build them according to own found EQUATIONS
- he used SINEWAVE ,perfect sinewave

How can we produce perfect sinewave today ? Help me find the way because I can't.

[CitizenDC]

Have you ever thought why Tesla when asked about impossibility to build his coils and obtain effect shown by him, always stated that he had no trouble building them ?
I think there are two reasons :
- he perfected his devices and build them according to own found EQUATIONS
- he used SINEWAVE ,perfect sinewave

How can we produce perfect sinewave today ? Help me find the way because I can't.

A pulse width modulator and scope is how I'd imagine you'd start.
Another method could be to use a wave form generator for PC audio together with a preamp to boost the output.
I've been thinking of a pure sine wave inverters too.
If you bridge rectify the AC sine wave its going to change. The question is, how can you rectify the pure sine wave AC to DC and maintain the sine wave form?

cheers

[amigo]

Have you ever thought why Tesla when asked about impossibility to build his coils and obtain effect shown by him, always stated that he had no trouble building them ?
I think there are two reasons :
- he perfected his devices and build them according to own found EQUATIONS
- he used SINEWAVE ,perfect sinewave

How can we produce perfect sinewave today ? Help me find the way because I can't.

Have you looked at my circuit I posted on the page 2 of this thread?

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post29267

If you take the LMD network you will get a pretty nice sine wave which can light both electrodes of a NE-2, when in resonance, from a low voltage square wave source (~5V).