Muller style generator exhibiting no lentz drag

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, I would just like to offer my findings on a generator I built which is similar to Bill Muller's generator. The gen. rotor has 6 1" dia. neo's, n-s orientation, embedded in 3/4" thick wood plate. 5 coils per side, simply made from steel bolts and 18 guage for .5 ohms per coil, for a total of 10 coils. For these tests I only used one coil pair, each coil being opposite the other like Mullers. both coils are in parallel with a diode on one leg, and if battery applied would cause one coil to repel north pole and the other coil to attract south pole so no movement would occur, however with the diode oriented as it is a repulsion can occur on north pole and not allow current through to other coil. so before speaking about gen. results i will point out that in this configuration when a 12v input is applied continuously while manually spinning the rotor it actually speeds up and when i remove 12v it becomes harder to turn. Now that in itself is different from any other results I've experienced with all my experiments and I've given the results and the gen. results some thought and I think I understand what is occurring and I hope we can share ideas on this. Now the generator results were just as interesting, power is taken from each coil individually by using a diode for each coil in parallel to each coil and one diode is opposite polarity wise of the other. if thats not clear I can post a paint sketch of circuit. The power results are not astounding due to the fact I have the rotor gap set to about an inch per side only because its easier to test this way. So, I used an external motor to drive the generator via belt and pulleys with 24v. While using an amp meter to monitor output of one coil, even though I can extract power from both coils and the motor input still does not increase in fact it lessens on full load, and an amp meter to monitor input current I found these results. While essentially shorting the gen. coil through the amp meter I obtained 800 milliamps at 1.2 volts, open circuit voltage 2 volts, and the input amp meter actually dropped about 40 milliamps. The applied input is not relevant at this point because I think it should be clear that these results are not conventional. Any comments, thoughts and discussion on these results are more than welcome.

Peace, Love, Light
Ty

[Jetijs]

Hi
I would like to see a circuit for what you are talking about. I am also very interested in Mullers work, because I could use a generator with his principles on my Lindemann attraction motor. I have also bought some 1"x1" cylinder neo magnets just for this purpose a while ago

[ren]

me too, ive got something to drive it as well

[SkyWatcher]

Ok heres the cad circuit I drew, notice the right circuit extracts power from both coils individually meaning no cross flow interference.

[Gator]

An Experiment in Bending Lenz Law

Similar behavior for a generator has been reported at:

http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/index.html

Look at page #10 of the above referenced web site

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Gator, yes i have read those articles and is very interesting however I dont think that is what is occurring in the design i have built. Now I must say other than the odd-even geometry of coil-magnet relation which is like Muller's generator I dont know how he had it wired or how he timed it exactly therefore I can only say "Muller style generator". I will now offer my thoughts on how this design works. When one magnet enters coils it creates a polarity in coils that will activate power takeoff diodes and at the same time the diode on the one leg between parallel coils is blocking current from both coils, now of course this will cause lentz drag. Now when the same magnet is departing coils it induces the opposite polarity in coils and now power takeoff diodes are blocked and diode between coils is activated and because of the way the coils are wired each coil is aiding each other reinforcing repulsion on departing coils and as testing has shown a certain speed needs to be reached to maximize the repulsion to offset the lentz effects incurred on entry and indeed cause an increase in rotor rpm. So now the next permanent magnet enters which has its poles opposite and causes the reverse process to occur that of increasing the magnetic reluctance to attract in the magnet to increase rpm and on depart power is again generated causing lentz drag. Ok, I must also express my thoughts on how the odd-even arrangement allows for this to occur with ferro-magnetic cores. Since all magnetic attraction is canceled it enables the self exciting function of the circuit to repel and increase attraction at specific times as pointed out, however I dont think this would be possible with an even or symmetrical coil magnet layout with ferro coil cores due to a conservative process. now i do think aircore coils would also work with this using a coil sandwiched between 2 magnets like the Hugh Piggots design. I believe this is whats occurring but if anyone here has any other ideas please share them.

Peace, Love, Light

[SkyWatcher]

Ok It seems i had a measurement error the results are not valid with my setup however i would like to say that the ecklin principles definitely work because i have built a working design using that principle and it does show no drag and reduced input on full load, it has two steel flux gate plates on either side of coil and magnet completing and breaking flux loop. It's too bad the permanent magnet design didnt work as planned even i have no doubts Muller had it worked out. I will now focus efforts on flux gate ecklin generator.
Peace, Love, Light

[SkyWatcher]

New generator design idea

Hi again folks, just thought I'd let you know I've come up with an interesting idea for a generator that uses similar ecklin flux gate principles but also using permanent magnets in motion. I'll let you all know how the test results come out. won't say much more cause I don't wish to add any more confusion to the energy research arena.

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