meyers laser energy injection

[hhoexclusive]

i have my cell up and running now. SO the next part of his design was the laser energy injection mentioned in his patent. he used banks of red led lights of a particular wavelength pulsed like the energy into the tubes. i recently read a few books on laser energy and although initially i was skeptical about it doing anything however i am starting to see how it could add energy to the gas produced. i am considering buying 12 or more 10mw laser diode units and mounting in my cell aimed at the water bath. the idea i should be to make a much more potent gas instead of large amounts less potent hho. i will revisit meyers patents as its been some time since i last read them. if anyone would like comment on this subject it is all appreciated. sorry for starting so many posts everyone but i get alot of good information from everyone which is a big help.

[ashtweth]

Hi hhoexclusive

There is a Tiny mention of it in the RAVI doc, have you read it? its on the panacea university dot org site. I know one guy in Melb making us our new cell who knows the patents inside and out, plus he is the only one i have ever heard mention about the LED"s will forward and try and get an answer for you

Ash

[hhoexclusive]

have read a bit of the ravi doc unfortunately i haven't finished it yet because i jumped into testing my cell as is usually the case with home inventors.

i genuinely think it could be a key to getting to getting everything to work as really has anyone ever tried it? not from what i've seen anyway so if it costs 120$ for lasers and it doesn't work at least i'll know it wasnt that stopping it from working. thanks for following up for me on any info ashtweth it all helps.

[professor]

Uv Meyers Laser energy

Well I read a bit about it and it appears that you best use vapor to dissociate Water by UV radiation. Also certain type of UV Wavelength and power Levels are required requiring to select the right laser diodes power llevels can be achieved by pulsing the laser, not an easy or cheap task.
I could not find a direct solution but here are some pertinent Links that should prove to help you with your endeavor.
I think I would use some mercury arc Sources which could be cooled by the Water itself. High power Strobe light perhaps at least thats my next trial.
Best of Luck anyway

Directory:Using Light Finesse Instead of Brute Force in Water Molecule Dissociation - PESWiki
Planetary Science
http://www.rustumroy.com/Scans/Obser...2%20is%201.pdf
Hydrogen generation as fuel by use of solar ultraviolet light process - - US Patent 4342738
TiSi2 Semiconductor for Photocatalytic Splitting of Water and Subsequent Gas Storage
Green Car Congress: Solar Hydrogen Company Secures $4.7M in Series A Round
professor

i have my cell up and running now. SO the next part of his design was the laser energy injection mentioned in his patent. he used banks of red led lights of a particular wavelength pulsed like the energy into the tubes. i recently read a few books on laser energy and although initially i was skeptical about it doing anything however i am starting to see how it could add energy to the gas produced. i am considering buying 12 or more 10mw laser diode units and mounting in my cell aimed at the water bath. the idea i should be to make a much more potent gas instead of large amounts less potent hho. i will revisit meyers patents as its been some time since i last read them. if anyone would like comment on this subject it is all appreciated. sorry for starting so many posts everyone but i get alot of good information from everyone which is a big help.

[hhoexclusive]

i'm resurrecting a dead topic. i have been in discussion with some friends of mine who have a keen interest in my hydrogen projects. we have decided to try building a meyers laser energy injection system and fit it to my hho system. we have been toying with a way of approaching it whether to use use led or actually use lasers and and aim them into the water bath and have beams refract through the gas hopefully energising it. however we are stuck on what wavelength and power level of led or laser to use, and if it is possible to pulse them at a higher than rated voltage without killing them while getting more intense light energy (i beleive this may be how meyers was able to get the energy levels needed from plain red led's) if you have any suggestions feel free to put them forward. i have run some tests and succesfully fried alot of led's interestingly once they blow you can crank up the voltage and pulse them with a pwm and get a brilliant white\blue arc glow from them.

[Guest]

Try to build the dual layered VIC multi spool system first. That is the key to success for all HHO/Meyer apps.

[jibbguy]

Lasers are very dangerous

HHoEx, You could probably use the laser from an old junk optical drive like a CDROM. There were some YouTubes of this going around, but i won't link them because of the EXTREME DANGER to eyesight that these lasers represent. I only mention them to u because you seem like a responsible and wise person who would not risk your or other's eyesight with mis-using them.

It was calculated that less than 10 mS (.01 seconds) are all that is needed to fry your cornea PERMANENTLY with these CDROM lasers (...they are quite strong, and compact). So PLEASE be extra-careful!! Sun glasses won't save you from them, either (a welding hood might, but i doubt it). "Back-scatter" from them can be dangerous, too.

I worked with barcode scanning lasers for several years. I and others in the industry i know had to have cataract surgery (lol i was in my early 40's at the time).... So even "scatter" from low-power lasers like supermarket or warehouse barcode scanners can be dangerous to the eyes. The surgery is minor, one day out-patient, but its no joke and costs over $12,000 per eye to have done. It's a real drag to have to use reading glasses for close work now; when before my eyesight was always "20/20" (most peeps who have them cannot make their artificial lenses bend enough for near-focusing).

Btw, if you suspect u may have cataracts, find a microscope and look into it: They will appear reflected back to u as a "hairball" or "amoeba" kind of blob. The incidences of cataracts have apparently grown over 10 times in the last 25 years.

[hhoexclusive]

thanks i saw a vid on youtube of a blueray laser being used. i think high power laser are key to getting enough photons flying around inside and i will take care to fit them inside the case of my cell first before applying power to them. i have the vic system as well now and have had some success with it but feel laser energy injection will prime the water and make it easier to break apart.

[hhoexclusive]

have just been down to my local computer shop and can get old cd rom drives for 50 cents a unit. hopefully i can get the required wavelength of light to ionize the hydrogen molecule using these cheap lasers. either way its cheap enough experiment.

[robuk]

Help needed finding this circuit

Try to build the dual layered VIC multi spool system first. That is the key to success for all HHO/Meyer apps.

Gauss you mention the above is there in existance a circuit drawing for this?
Thanks in anticipation
Kind regards
Rob

[CosmicFarmer]

I have not tried this but if your going to be powering light emitting diodes you might want to use a safer electricity. Try getting several laser diodes in resonance with a Dr.Stiffler tower with SEC. You could apply the pulsed signal with less amps to the oscillator circuit, excite, and then LEDs turn on for a fraction of the power, AND they don't get hot. For laser diodes I would imagine this would be a boon. Might be a replacement for power transistors as you can get alot of LEDs in resonance. Like I said I have never tried laser diodes but every diode I have tried worked.

Here are my notes on watergas.

pulsed high voltage at 2025 hz,
spinning electrical discharge "Schauberger induced precession"
Ultrasonic excitation at 24,800 Hz
Laser stimulation at point of discharge (focus it on the 'trodes)

So I guess for wavelength of RED I would buy cheapest, or an assortment, however I would think it might not matter that much. As long as its concentrated light on the point of discharge, and I would imagine an octave of water's resonant frequency, if that can be obtained.

Don't forget sound. That might be easy to make if you had a giant speaker. Take the cloth and felt off the magnet, and make a mechanical connection to something hard in the water. Like one of those vibrating toothbrushes. Send it a sinewave from the computer .

So basically electrocute a vibrating vortex at its fundamental frequency with plenty of light on the action.

Good luck!

[Oneminde]

If we look at Meyers constructions, the Gas Processor, Injectors and WFC basicly use the same type of photon radiation, and Meyer used red led's, that was what he could get he's hands on at that time. Having said that, also remember that Meyer spoke of the KISS method so advancing to LASER is in this case unproven.

Now, what are you looking for? I'm gona guess here and say Photonization and what does that do for us? If you use a 635nm photon this will infact interact whit the electron (I will get back on that one.)

To ionize:
13.617 eV = 109833 cm-1 = 1313.9 kj/mol for oxygen and 13.598 eV = 109674 cm-1 = 1312.0 kj/mol for hydrogen (one ionization level for the oxygen) and that is hard to do whit one type of photon.
So, the next best thing is to use feild ionization together whit photon interaction, now one can also use multiphotonization, but that is more advanced. Feild ionization in this case is our HV feild in the WFC so, we kinda want to find a frequensy that interacts and HELP (partual ionization). So we do not need to go all the way and use a photon that will do this on a stand alone basis. So lets look at a photon taht will aid in the process.

Using the Hydrogen Atom Simulator online we can find that a photon whit an energy of 657nm (1,9eV) will elongate the electron one level IF the electron already is elongated (L1>L2), so how can we get the electron to move from L1 to L2 to L3 etc? Answer; Feild Ionization which you allready have.

The HV feild in your capacitor creates an electromotive force on the electron and this changes the electron orbite, kinda makes the orbite wobble (oval shaped) and it is when the electron is the most furthest away from its nuclei that the photon have the higest change of interacting, meaning that the ionization energy is lower = easy for a photon whit less energy to interact.

Now, the simulator does not count for feild ionization, so we have to imagen that part and that the electron is in L2 or L3 just to get an idea of what a red led can do for us, also take into acount that Meyer talked about diffused light, not concentrated like in a LASER (dont focus on the word LASER primed which he used to much) just the pricniple.

You want the light source to spread in the capacitor dont you??

So that is my 2 cent right now. If we go further we can talk about Pre-Charged Water and UVC, but for the WFC, I think that a red led will give you the result you are looking for and also remember that you can use LED's that will have a very high luminessens, mugh higher than Meyer could get hold of (= more photons) and of curse it needs to be pulsed. Circuits for this exist and are not that expensive and yes, Stifflers SEC could work whit this I pressume.

Hydrogen Atom Simulator
Hydrogen Atom Simulator - Hydrogen Energy Levels - NAAP

Ps; You can learn alot from h2opowers tread "Stanley Meyer Explained", so there we go, now I mentioned it.

[h20power]

If you want to read this we go over a lot about coherent light in use with the Gas Processor here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...processor.html. Once you study the Gas Processor and how it works you will see that they are all similar in how they work. This is just to answer your question as to what wavelengths are needed and how to determine the right wavelength for your needs. The light energy needs to be absorbed by what ever you are trying ionize, for that is resonance with concern to how coherent light interacts with matter.


h2opower.

[Radiant_Science]

Atomic Emission=Atomic Absorption

H2OPower is correct...you need to choose the wavelength based on what you are trying to ionize.

If you wanna keep it cheap and stick with "Kiss"...that means visible light. (However, if you understand what you are doing...you will wanna move to UV/Far UV...and when you are no longer novice...Ultra Far UV/Soft X-rays)
*****This Stuff IS DANGEROUS*****************So I will show only visible frequencies...you must research the non-visible ones (and how to make em)

(Infrared also has some standing here...but, generally speaking you want the more energetic waves.)

All you need to do is research the elements "Emission Spectrum". Because the Emission Spectrum is equal to the Absorption Spectrum.

If you don't believe me...look here at Hydrogen (visible frequencies only)

Notice dark lines in the spectrum...this is what IS NOT being bounced back...aka absorbed. They directly mirror the emission spectrum below it.

Here is oxygen (sorry scales are different )


Now it would seem that both Hydrogen and Oxygen absorb red light...

(it should also be noted that all emission charts are pure "Atomic" elements (single atoms)...All elements (for the most part) ionize into single atoms...they only interact with other atoms as the energy levels "bump down". (the whole reason Meyer uses extra photon energy is to prevent this "bump down")

Extra Photon energy sustains otherwise short lived, unstable orbits.

[Oneminde]

Good information Radiant_Science. Now, x-ray would give us moste energy radiation or deep UV (<100nm) and it is possible to use these devices - but, it is dangerous so one realy need to know how to handle this. What we are talking about now is what i call pre-charged water - a stage before the water enters the HV chamber or Voltrolyser.
If you are using circulation like I am going to, you can mount this charging unit prior to the inlet port of your WFC and optain energised water. It want have the exact same effect as photon interaction directly in the capacitor, but will make the dissosiation easy and if we then add red led's I think we will have a good combo.
I would bet my money on such a combination but, we also want to think about the energy concumption, so it is wise to look it over.

Nothing is straight forward here and therfor it is good to have these debates.