No Bemf Motor

[ren]

I have been meaning to reply to this thread for sometime AC but my studies have kept me busy. Now that Ive found a quiet moment Id like to comment/question. I find your mangets orientation very interesting, however I am a little unclear as to when your coils are energized. Are they energized @ the block wall of the magnet itself or inbetween magnets or both? Interesting to note that this design has been experimented with in the window motor forum particularly by Carl H and he also noted an increase in torque. Also Rick F is about to release a window motor kit for the Bedini groups and though I have no proof as such I am under the impression that the magnets will be configured in a similar fashion. He has said that this design takes advantage of both sides of the magnet and that neither pole faces the rotors shaft, so I can only assume it is similar in design. The so-called scalar rotors of JB are similar to this too.

They are triggered differently and have different arrangements in regards to the coils, but the theory and design of the rotor is almost identical. Pretty much all of Bedinis designs call for bifilar windings of 1 to 1 length, and while this suits his purpose, I think its important for others to realise that this doesnt always have to be the case. Are your means for switching mechanical and are your coils traditionally styled? Dude you must have a tonne of gutted microwaves at home Im getting a small collection too much to the dismay of my wife.

All this talk of block walls makes me wonder, we focus so much on the field the magnet projects outwards, yet so little is known/studied in regard to where that field radiates from. Makes you think........

[Allcanadian]

@hh1341

Would that result be,.... less power consumed for plenty of torque created.....equals efficient?
BTW......Can i take this as a slight encouraging push in the solenoid direction?

If I wanted to build a boat motor I would want large amounts of torque at low RPM as high RPM produces higher drag in a dense fluid such as water. So yes I think a high torque/low RPM solenoid motor would work well.

@Ren

I find your mangets orientation very interesting, however I am a little unclear as to when your coils are energized. Are they energized @ the block wall of the magnet itself or inbetween magnets or both?

I have always relied on simple experiments and intuition to guide me, all these calculations and equations are useless when your breaking new ground. If you mount two magnets on a rotor and use an inductor to see where maximum force develops without a change in inductance you will learn more than I can tell you. The region your looking for is just before and after the bloch wall.

[hh1341]

Motor

Thanks AC,

The solenoid design I was starting to entertain had transformer steel punched into washers to create a laminated piston.

Motor.jpg

Would washer shaped magnets be a suitable substitute in your design?

Carl

[Allcanadian]

@hh1341

The solenoid design I was starting to entertain had transformer steel punched into washers to create a laminated piston.
Would washer shaped magnets be a suitable substitute in your design?

Have you seen Peter Lindemann's DVD? Im usually not one for plugging products LOL ,but I will say I was very impressed, I would recommend it to everyone. It taught me something I already knew as fact but was reluctant to accept despite the facts. That is the construction and operation of an electric motor are important, but mean very little relative to the energy state in the motor. The best design utilizing the best materials and components does not ensure the best efficiency, the control of energy in the system determines efficiency.

[hh1341]

I have studied Peter's DVD, it's what got me started on this design in the first place.

His design works on the principal of the attraction of an iron core by an electromagnet.

Yours uses magnets. Peter does not use magnets.

Ergo my question "would a stack of washer shaped magnets be a suitable substitute for the construction of a piston in the design depicted"?

Thanks

Carl

[groundhog]

Question re Diodes & coils

To disable magnetic field inversion you put a diode just before a coil. Remember, there was thread about bedini motor with no lentz drag

@ AllCanadian

If a diode is inserted in the coil path... will that sufficiently hold the charge in the coil until released or allowed to reverse via another path such as a secondary reversed diode path on separate switching circuitry? Or do you have to provide continuous power to the coil in order to maintain the field from collapsing(reversing)?

In the motor diagrams you showed of your designs here in an earlier post, it would seem that you must maintain the coil power until each successive PM has passed the mutual bloch wall point then allow the coil to reverse/collapse to send the PM on it's way. How would this work with very short duration power pulses such as Teal's/Bedini's? Do you use a concept like roxaz posted in the above quote or some other method (i.e. parallel coils, etc.) to delay the collapse of the coil? I apologize if the question sounds ignorant, but I can't hide that I'm new to a lot this area of study, and would like to develop the understanding of how these things work.

Many thanks,

Rick

[Peter Lindemann]

What is Really Important?

I have studied Peter's DVD, it's what got me started on this design in the first place.

His design works on the principal of the attraction of an iron core by an electromagnet.

Yours uses magnets. Peter does not use magnets.

Ergo my question "would a stack of washer shaped magnets be a suitable substitute for the construction of a piston in the design depicted"?

Thanks

Carl

Carl,

With regard to using permanent magnets in a design or not, I agree with AC here. I made a "big deal" about not using magnets in the DVD just so people could begin to see that "there IS a difference" in the two situations. As AC shows here, it is possible to design a "no Back EMF" motor or generator that uses magnets. With regard to a motor design, the important issues are whether or not there is any change in inductance in the power coil between the ON and OFF times, and whether or not there are any "cross inductions" between the moving and non-moving parts. It was easier to use the designs that do no use magnets as a "teaching aid" for the DVD. This is why I used the Teal motor designs as examples. Geometry and timing ultimately control the energy efficiency of any design.

The most important thing to understand is that, in any motor or generator, ONE INPUT always produces TWO OUTPUTS. The work of the designer of these machines is to make sure these two outputs do not interfere with each other, or the input. It is the careful management of these three forces that allows the creation of efficient machines.

Peter

[Turion]

As regards the solenoid motor, this video may be of interest.
YouTube - 11Turion's Channel

David Bowling

[Turion]

See the following two videos regarding magnetic attraction

Fuel-Efficient-Vehicles.org » A Few Magnet Motors

and the following YouTube videos
YouTube - Xpenzif free energy screw magnet motor
YouTube - Free Energy Magnet Motor

As Matt would say:
Simple is Better

David Bowling