Hermann Plauson-Atmospheric Energy Convertor

[Chip Shorter]

Those of you familiar with EV Gray and his tube should check out this Plausons English Patent from the 1920's. Notice a theme?http://0049606.netsolhost.com/pdf/GB157263.pdf

I have really been researching this technology and it is very practical.

[DavidE]

[tutanka]

power from the air

Attached the article of february 1922 of Science and Invention

[wings]

Attached the article of february 1922 of Science and Invention

.... surface of the balloon is dotted with sharp pins ... covered with amalgam zinc - radium / polonium !

[wayne.ct]

.... surface of the balloon is dotted with sharp pins ... covered with amalgam zinc - radium / polonium !

Yeah, those old guys are pretty funny. Now, as I recall, there is some research out there that proved that lightning rods would collect more current if the "top" tip were pointed as opposed to smooth. Also, if there are multiple points, the "efficiency" would be improved. I wish I could access the paper, report or essay that reported this little tidbit of information, but my source must predate the Internet because I have not found it in my recent searches. If any of you know of an online resource that refers to this, please post it here for the benefit of all.

Now, again, as I recall, the effect of "reducing damaging electrical discharges" or harmful lightning strikes was also reported to be a consequence of using the reported "improved" lightning rods. If anyone can confirm or substantiate my memory I would regard it a favor.

Now, I am thinking how best to construct a simple test with the goal of low cost for materials and power collection in the range of 1 to 10 watts. If you have positive results and construction details you would be willing to share, please post them to this thread.

Thank-you.

[wings]

Yeah, those old guys are pretty funny. Now, as I recall, there is some research out there that proved that lightning rods would collect more current if the "top" tip were pointed as opposed to smooth. Also, if there are multiple points, the "efficiency" would be improved. I wish I could access the paper, report or essay that reported this little tidbit of information, but my source must predate the Internet because I have not found it in my recent searches. If any of you know of an online resource that refers to this, please post it here for the benefit of all.

Now, again, as I recall, the effect of "reducing damaging electrical discharges" or harmful lightning strikes was also reported to be a consequence of using the reported "improved" lightning rods. If anyone can confirm or substantiate my memory I would regard it a favor.

Now, I am thinking how best to construct a simple test with the goal of low cost for materials and power collection in the range of 1 to 10 watts. If you have positive results and construction details you would be willing to share, please post them to this thread.

Thank-you.

relating to sharp tip energy source this patent explain the effect also for thermal energy source:
Patent US5637946 - Thermally energized electrical power source - Google Patents

SineTamer Annual Latin America Reunion
http://www.ecsintl.com/docs/lightnin...y.pdf?sfvrsn=2

Mystery of the Broom Antenna - Antentop
http://www.antentop.org/009/files/ra3aae009.pdf

with reference to radioactive lightning rods (ionization effect):
Patent US4039739 - Radioactive lightning conductor with ionized-gas current - Google Patents


The Radioactive Lightning Rods, Radioactive Lightning Rods, The Lightning Rod, All Lightning Rods

but not only radioactive works also fire give ionization see fire antenna:
http://www.antentop.org/011/files/fire_antenna_011.pdf

not tested by me this flame effect:
Candle Power - YouTube

[wings]

relating to sharp tip energy source this patent explain the effect also for thermal energy source:
Patent US5637946 - Thermally energized electrical power source - Google Patents

SineTamer Annual Latin America Reunion
http://www.ecsintl.com/docs/lightnin...y.pdf?sfvrsn=2

Mystery of the Broom Antenna - Antentop
http://www.antentop.org/009/files/ra3aae009.pdf

with reference to radioactive lightning rods (ionization effect):
Patent US4039739 - Radioactive lightning conductor with ionized-gas current - Google Patents


The Radioactive Lightning Rods, Radioactive Lightning Rods, The Lightning Rod, All Lightning Rods

but not only radioactive works also fire give ionization see fire antenna:
http://www.antentop.org/011/files/fire_antenna_011.pdf

not tested by me this flame effect:
Candle Power - YouTube

ALL EXPERIMENTS WITH HIGH VOLTAGE ARE DANGEROUS

The Atmospheric Electric Circuit:
If a properly grounded fieldmeter is brought outside and directed upward, the meter would likely measure an electric field directed downward with a strength of approximately 150 V·m–1.

BUT

If there is a thundercloud overhead, the field is usually reversed and runs easily into the tens of kV·m–1.

Mr. Static
Mr. Static

[wayne.ct]

Thanks for the informative links. Actually, some of it was informative and some of it was entertaining. Somehow, I don't believe the vid about candle power. Regardless, the candle experiment is certainly cheap enough to do so there will be lots of attempted replications. The presentation was done in the style of cheap magic which made is less than serious to me.

The patent applications were interesting and, I'll say, more credible, even if only slightly. I've read and seen/heard different figures for voltage and current from "antennas" ranging from 30mV/meter to 100V/meter, but I did notice better results were reported when a thunderstorm was in the vacinity. At this point, I am not expecting much but I think I will build a broom antenna. It seems easier than chemically treating aluminum foil to create tiny raised points on its surface.

Thanks for the interesting links. If you find more related info, I look forward to seeing what you recommend. I am most interested in the Plauson-type energy capture.

[tutanka]

Thanks for the informative links. Actually, some of it was informative and some of it was entertaining. Somehow, I don't believe the vid about candle power. Regardless, the candle experiment is certainly cheap enough to do so there will be lots of attempted replications. The presentation was done in the style of cheap magic which made is less than serious to me.

The patent applications were interesting and, I'll say, more credible, even if only slightly. I've read and seen/heard different figures for voltage and current from "antennas" ranging from 30mV/meter to 100V/meter, but I did notice better results were reported when a thunderstorm was in the vacinity. At this point, I am not expecting much but I think I will build a broom antenna. It seems easier than chemically treating aluminum foil to create tiny raised points on its surface.

Thanks for the interesting links. If you find more related info, I look forward to seeing what you recommend. I am most interested in the Plauson-type energy capture.

Tesla wrote "an infinite energy is around to us and can be used for free".. him was not referring to electrostatic energy.. In all case he had reason, also I have discovered that is an real particle with finite mass!!

[wayne.ct]

Tesla wrote "an infinite energy is around to us and can be used for free".. him was not referring to electrostatic energy.. In all case he had reason, also I have discovered that is an real particle with finite mass!!

I agree with you. I don't think Hermann Plauson should be confused with Tesla. Do you? I want to thank you, tutanka, for your post on 2/13. That was helpful to me.

As I see it, Tesla seemed to be interested in alternating current systems of the wireless variety. Hermann Plauson was more interested in atmospheric electricity and it is not yet clear to me whether the significant source for his energy collection device was DC or AC. Did you see the "PBS Earth from Space" documentary recently aired on PBS in the US? Do a web search for the quoted phrase, if you have not seen it. BTW, it is almost 2 hours long and is basically a commercial for renewed funding to launch science satelites, mostly of the weather/climate observatory type.

Anyway, the satelites now image lightning strikes in real time from space and they quote "40" as the number of lightning strikes per second, world-wide. (I hope I remember the statistic correctly. If it was 40/minutes and not 40/second, please post the correction as a comment.)

It seems that many more posts in this forum and many more historic energy researchers are interested in radiant energy, which I take to mean radio frequency EM. It is well known that the shorter the wavelength the higher the energy. This, however, refers to the energy of the quantum, not the energy of the incident "current" or "flux". It is far from clear to me whether it is more economic or convenient to gather a given quantity of energy from static (DC), frequencies from say 10-11 kHz, 10-11 MHz, 10-11 GHz or pick some other band of frequencies.

The reports about the broom antennas seemed to indicate they were "broadband" receivers, but the idea they were "low noise" seems to contradict that idea. If you or anyone reading this can substantiate or even formulate some reasonable hypothesis in this regard, I, for one, would like to hear your thoughts.

This is a high-risk area for research. I don't plan to do much until I know I can do so safely.

[wayne.ct]

Mr. Static

ALL EXPERIMENTS WITH HIGH VOLTAGE ARE DANGEROUS

The Atmospheric Electric Circuit:
If a properly grounded fieldmeter is brought outside and directed upward, the meter would likely measure an electric field directed downward with a strength of approximately 150 V·m–1.

BUT

If there is a thundercloud overhead, the field is usually reversed and runs easily into the tens of kV·m–1.

I finished reading the rest of the links. The article by Niels Janassen was particularly good, Wings. It was full of specific engineering values and formulas and was fairly recent. I hope it stays up for a long time where everyone can access it. I made a personal copy as a backup!

I noticed the statement that the average potential of the "atmospheric electric exchange layer" is given as 300,000 Volts at 60 km. The obvious simple calculation gives the following: 300,000/60,000 V.m-1 = 5 V.m-1.

The polarity reversal and explanation helps me to understand this number, but leaves a lot of questions. In particular, the range of range of values for field strength at ground level is quite remarkable. A casual survey yield these numbers: 150 V.m-1, 1500+ V.m-1, "up to" 10,000 V.m-1, 5-10 kV.m-1, and 100-200 V.m-1.

The article suggests a starting point for developing a globel model for integrating the values over the surface of the globe.

Also, it suggests interesting comparisons with the numbers reported by Hermann Plauson.

I am also starting to wonder what I might learn just leaning out my second story window, no sky hook required! After all, even a few pico Amps would charge a capacitor eventually.

[wayne.ct]

Broom Antenna

If you know a good way to build or buy a broom antenna, I would like to hear your ideas. ... Thanks,

[wayne.ct]

Repurpose one of these

One of these steel wire bristle road sweeper machine broom heads might make a good energy collecting antenna... Less that about 40 USD? each?

[wayne.ct]

Two related pages

Hopefully these two pages will stick around for a long time so everyone can benefit from the information. The second one is internal to energetic forum so I expect there will be no problem with it.

The first page has this interesting quote:

"In March 1971, Dr. Oleg Jefimenko proved that a wire held aloft by a ballon at 1200 feet altitude would provide 70 watts of high-voltage power to an electrostatic motor (an improved version of the Franklin motor) for as long as the ballon stayed at that altitude. The wire was a high impedance conductor; and the motor ran at 12,000 rpm or about 200 pulses per second. The motor was a small capacitance device; and had it been run at the impossible rate of 20,000 pulses per second (120,000 rpm) it might have drawn down some 7000 watts of free power !!" ( from the "Vindicator Scrolls" volume one by Stan Deyo, publishers: West Australian Texas Trading)

The PFT Motor mk2 - by JL Naudin

Note the date as this second "independent" report verifies or validates Hermann Plauson. I, of course, still have a bit of sceptism. I wonder how repeatable and consistent this all may be. And, I wonder if the results are proportional. For example, if you can get 70 watts at 1200 feet, could you get 35 watts at 600 feet? What about 17.5 watts at 300 feet? P~=VI, etc. Maybe one could get 1.75 watts at 30 feet? Linear would imply 0.058 watts per foot. That is 58 milliwatts, which is not too shabby. You could conceivably mount two static receptor antennas on opposite ends of a ten foot pole and hold it in your hand about shoulder height as an experiment. These receptors would not really be radio antennas, so what do you want to call them? I hereby coin the word STATREC for static receptor. Now I have to google statrec and see if somebody beat me to this seven-letter word. That will have to wait for another post.

For reference, a red LED drawing 20 mA at 2 Volts is 40 milliwatt. Do you think a ten-foot statrec would light up ten or more LEDs? It will cost you less than ten bucks to find out. (You might want to incorporate a FWBR and a cap or not, depending on your idea of what this all means.)

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...t-machine.html

Happy replications!

[wayne.ct]

Testatika video

If we look at the Testatika generator the windmill blades are running in the electric field of a coil, watch the first image that is shown in this vid, see the coil in the center, on the axel and its orientation.
Electrostatic Energy, Swiss Methernitha Testatika, Winhurst Electrostatic Generator - YouTube

This was originally posted by Dave45 in another thread on this forum. Thanks, Dave.