"Zeitgeist: Addendum" movie now released, even better than the first one

[sykavy]

While I think the video was well made, I feel as though it was just an advertisement for the Venus Project. It also paints the future the way the communists did without using their language. Communists believed there would be a future Utopia without money too and people creating just to create.

Unfortunatly they have ignored that "man" though "he" wants to be good does evil. He is split by this fallen nature, the temptations for excessive riches, pleasure, and honor, will always spoil any Utopian dream.

We need to be practical and correct as much as we can abuses of riches, pleasure, and honor but these 3 things can have benificial effects if self-regulated from becoming excessive.

No society has ever existed as they discribe so the premise is based on a false hypothisis that it is even possible since there is no evidence to it being possible and much evidence to the contrary.

Lets just try and do what we can to improve our families and communities and see what happens. I think that would be more practicle and productive. (There is no magic bullet to all our whoas, it will have to be eccletic mix of politics, religion, technology, and finance)

[Shamus]

Hey Vortex, you're absolutely right--'Cui Bono' should always be the first question one asks oneself when looking at stuff like this. It's too bad that they don't teach that in public schools (well, that and 'Know Thyself'), but it's understandable why they don't: the whole system would unravel itself if they did!

And sykavy, I agree that solutions will have to come at a local level and from us (we have to be our own champions, after all!) but anything involving money will always lead back to corruption and slavery. I don't know what an alternative would look like (barter perhaps?) but I know it sure as hell wouldn't look like communism in any form.

[bugler]

My knowledge of engineering is limited (I have just started mechanical engineering in a distance university but the quality of books is so low that I don't know if I will succeed) but my knowledge of conspiracies is much better.
In fact I learned about zero point energy once I distrusted the system after watching videos about 9/11. I used to believe in the system before that. I used to dislike conspiracy nuts.

Every day I read many articles about different topics around the secret elite (politics, economics, health, etc).

I can say that Zeitgeist is the so-called damage control. The criminals create these kind of videos to prevent people from watching other videos.

The 9/11 movement was started by Eric Hufschmid (EricHufschmid.net) in 2002 with his video painful question (hugequestions.com). After that came loose change as damage control.

Bill Cooper predicted 9/11 and was murdered. Alex Jones claims he predicted 9/11 but he is part of the criminal network.

For good videos see:

9/11:
911 Mysteries Part 1 - Demolitions (Full - 1ed.)

Central banks. The big scam:
The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America
The short version:
Money As Debt

Health:
Suppressed Medical Discovery: Dr. Robert C. Beck ( Cancer,AIDS, anything viral)
G. Edward Griffin - A World Without Cancer - The Story Of Vitamin B17
Cannabis Cures Cancer - "Run From The Cure" The Rick Simpson Story

Free energy
See the videos of a Peter Lindemann. hehe.

Curious videos about the Bushes & Kennedies. Who knows the truth.

Bush father & JFK: JFKII - The Bush Connection - Complete Documentary
JFK II Assassination Study (many ties to the Bush Crime Family)

Bush son & Kennedy Jr: Assassination.of.JFK.JR.avi

I hope you are not disturbed by the next topics. They are really important:

Zionsim:
Understanding Anti-Semitism: Why Do Some People Dislike Jews
ted pike talmud - Google Video

Are there holes in the holocaust story?
A must see: One Third of The Holocaust
Jewish historian video 1: David Cole - The Truth Behind The Gates Of Auschwitz 1 of 2
video 2: David Cole - The Truth Behind The Gates Of Auschwitz 2 of 2

[Druide]

Life is just a ride

Having seen the first video, Zeitgeist, I've been watching this new one with great interrest, as much as reading the comments and reactions on this thread. So many differing opinions. It made me think of some words from the late comedian Bill Hicks. He used to end his show with these words :

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"The world is like a ride at an amusement park.
And when you choose to go on it, you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are.
And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while.
Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride?
And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, 'Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid ever, because this is just a ride...' And we ... kill those people.

Ha ha, 'Shut him up. We have a lot invested in this ride. Shut him up.
Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account and my family.
This just has to be real.'
It's just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that?
And let the demons run amok.
But it doesn't matter, because - it's just a ride.
And we can change it anytime we want.

It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money.
A choice, right now, between fear and love.
The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off.
The eyes of love instead see all of us as one.
Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride.
Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace. "

- Bill Hicks
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Michel

[bugler]

Today I found this video
Prothink Podcast for February 17, 2008

He talks about Alex Jones and what he stands for and who did 9/11.

I was looking for a prothink.org video about 9/11 but this sone instead.

[Aaron]

No society has ever existed as they discribe so the premise is based on a false hypothisis that it is even possible since there is no evidence to it being possible and much evidence to the contrary.

Sykavy,

But wouldn't this idea be flawed only based on the the split/nature of the human mind as it has been for ages - or actually being a slave to the deception of the reasoning mind?

Perhaps there is a time in the future, hopefully near, that there is a critical mass reached in a awareness and consciousness itself that causes mankind to take a leap into having full mastership of the judging mind.

Being a slave to the deception that our own personal bipolar reasonings are the innate true reality is what has prevented any kind of utopian society.

We reason that we are an individual, therefore separate from the whole and automatically we need protection based out of fear of the idea that we are alone. This stimulates the drive to continuously have more protection...financial protection, self-esteem protection and so forth.

Everything we have done as a species has been to survive and to duplicate (create) ourselves in our own "image." A false image of judgment. Images based on what the reasoning mind believes is our innate self instead of the innate pre-self existence.

Shovels dig holes instead of our own hands. Cars move us instead of our own feet. Telephones imitate face to face communication.

Each successive technology is just a more complex "reasoning", which mimics nature.

Not that technology in itself is bad but just that so far, virtually all of it has been modeled after a very skewed observation of nature and a skewed observation of who we are based on our reasonings instead of just seeing them innately as they are.

The sound of one hand clapping is the sound of one hand clapping. It is what it is.

Anyway, I believe it not only is possible but is our birthright as a species to evolve holistically to the point where we as a whole do overcome the fear based on self-deception and we can collectively see the world as it is. That is when two eyes become one.

Then we can have a utopia...and absolutely will not be communist in any way, shape or form. Every person should be free-born without an automatic obligation to financial or social masters...we could be responsible enough to live peacefully with each other, helping each other, following our own higher calling - all while machines farm our fields, clean our water, and all those nice ideas that make utopia such a nice idea.

Simply, I think it would look like a constitutional republic like the Founding Fathers of the U.S. started, with high technology and evolved consciousness. Something like that

Not that we can't put our own hands in soil if we want to pull out a carrot, but it is by choice if we choose to make that choice. There would be open institutions for free education for anyone that wants to learn anything. People's privacy would be respected, etc...

It isn't impossible in my mind to achieve this in my lifetime and even if not, then at least we can keep the conversation going until it manifests for future generations.

Anyway, it is very clear the agenda of the powers that be. I don't know anything about this website itself, but I have seen these quotes over and over: Shocking Quotes
That is a very wicked picture painted and they haven't hid it very well...they count on people just not paying attention I guess.

[Druide]

Hey, this thread is getting quite interresting !

I'd wish my English being better so I could express some philosophically thoughts. Nevertheless, I can express some simple opinions.

The opposite of capitalism is not communism, they're both the same, with the same basic social structure of exploitation of man by man.

The fact that a form of society never existed (how can we know for sure?) does'nt mean that it cannot be created. Why always create from what is known? Is it because the unknown is too scary? And what about "the reality"? Aren't wars, famine, destruction of the environment by pollution scary enough? Or have we got so used to it that we don't even care any more? Unless it directly affects us personnaly...

IMO, it is time for humanity as individuals to get responsible. It's too easy to continue using fossil fuel or nuclear (or other poluting ways) produced electricity and blaming the big greedy corporations for the resulting dammage of the biosphere. We are, as individuals, responsible of the consequences of what we use, what we consume. It's too easy to blame our governments for all that's going wrong in our society and doing nothing for things to change, except voting every few years. By relying on governments, on political or religious (or any other form of) leaders or anyone other than ourselves to make things change, we're abdicating our own power. Everyone is responsible of, not only his or her own life, but of all that live on this planet. It's time to reappropriate our own power and being responsible planetary citizens. And the world will live as ONE. Imagine...

And a good way to begin with is to share ideas and technology, like everyone on this forum is doing.

Keep on sharing

Michel

[Vortex]

Today I found this video
Prothink Podcast for February 17, 2008

Very good, thank you for posting this video.
The information is and references are well worth the time.

[Shamus]

Thank you for that list Aaron. I would add a bunch to that like those that Ash posted in another thread as well as stuff written by Bertrand Russell, H.G. Wells, Jacques Ellul, Zbigniew Brzinski, Carroll Quiqley, Charles Galton Darwin, Aldous Huxley, Plato (The Republic is a real mind blower!) and on and on and on. If you (the generic you, not you personally Aaron ) really want to know what's going on in the world you've got to get hold of and read these guys' books--and early editions because later ones usually have their messages softened.

I think these guys say these things not only because nobody is paying attention but because most people physically cannot because of their public school indoctrination and addiction to the television. I also think that on some basic level these guys have to tell us what they're doing so that by our silence they can then take that as consent to do the horrible things that they do.

I think Lenin said it best when he said that there are literally thousands of ways to structure society, but the public must never be told. And so the disease goes merrily on.

[byjoveoldchap]

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For example, we are told by our governments and officials that we are experiencing Global warming on planet Earth, caused by excessive CO2 levels, ozone holes, etc..

If you believe their lies, please think long and hard about this:

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"The ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM - not just our one small planet -- is currently undergoing profound, never-before-seen physical changes... Here are some highlights:

Sun: More activity since 1940 than in previous 1150 years, combined

Mercury: Unexpected polar ice discovered, along with a surprisingly strong intrinsic magnetic field … for a supposedly “dead” planet

Venus: 2500% increase in auroral brightness, and substantive global atmospheric changes in less than 30 years

Earth: Substantial and obvious world-wide weather and geophysical changes

Mars: “Global Warming,” huge storms, disappearance of polar icecaps

Jupiter: Over 200% increase in brightness of surrounding plasma clouds

Saturn: Major decrease in equatorial jet stream velocities in only ~20 years, accompanied by surprising surge of X-rays from equator

Uranus: “Really big, big changes” in brightness, increased global cloud activity

Neptune: 40% increase in atmospheric brightness

Pluto: 300% increase in atmospheric pressure, even as Pluto recedes farther from the Sun

read more here: Richard C. Hoagland - David Wilcock
~~~

So the question you should be asking yourself is WHAT is causing these violent changes to our SUN and ALL these planets?

Now you may not be accustomed to hearing the Truth, but if something is going to affect your life and Planet Earth, don't you think someone should tell you and let YOU decide whether to believe it or not?

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The information is extremely diverse and may be totally unbelievable to many people, but that is your decision.

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The Coming of Nibiru.

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Ralph Ring and Otis Carr

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[Aaron]

James McCanney

Byjove,

Jim McCanney has an interesting "plamsa discharge comet" model that is very interesting from what I've seen. Has intrigued me since a friend showed it to me. I bought one of his books since it had reference to the Kolbrin Bible, which I have a copy.

jmccanneyscience.com : Home Page

Anyway, Zeitgeist mentions the rfid chip. McCanney also supposedly solved Prime Numbers -
calculateprimes.com : Home Page
He mentioned on radio how to jam the rfid chips.

I cannot vouch for his info, just that it appears to be interesting.

[dambit]

It seems that Otis T. Carr and Walter Russell had the same views about the inner workings of the universe. I have noticed that some of the reference pictures Carr used to explaine how his Utron generators worked are straight out of Walter Russells Universal One book. The vorticies of nature.

[Aaron]

Schauberger and population

Here's a paradigm change from the powers that be that want serious population reduction...

Schauberger essentially said the more the merrier...because the kind of mess we have...we need all the help we can get It is always a matter perspective.

[esaruoho]

It seems that Otis T. Carr and Walter Russell had the same views about the inner workings of the universe. I have noticed that some of the reference pictures Carr used to explaine how his Utron generators worked are straight out of Walter Russells Universal One book. The vorticies of nature.

well, walter russell's books "the secret of light", "the genero-radiative concept" and "a new concept of the universe" are slowly winding their way around this f.e. scene, hopefully they'll result in some fresh thinking on electricity, gravity, light, magnetism and so forth.

[esaruoho]

Here's a paradigm change from the powers that be that want serious population reduction...

Schauberger essentially said the more the merrier...because the kind of mess we have...we need all the help we can get It is always a matter perspective.

yep however what schauberger was after was to get the unemployed people to be hired to re-plant trees and correct the straightened waterways, for them to utilize the naturalesque river regulation to corretc the rivers back towards charge/discharge /winnowing snake-like shapes winding/unwinding - and to go to using copper tools for farming and other organic methods too - most of which he laid out in his various articles, patents and photos.. he viewed it as a solution of nature to provide an enormous workforce -- that, now that "tptb" decide there's too much population and they dont know what to do with them (cos you know, hiring them to do anything useful is out of the question)) just want to be rid of -- schauberger foresaw that enormous workforce being utilized to rebuild and re-plant and re-nature this planet..