My replication of the fuelless oil heater

[Armagdn03]

It would be interesting to find a suitable fluid which had a high thermal expansion rate. This way the centrifugal action of the spinning fluid will create a temperature differential between the inside and outside of the tube, much like described in Scaubergers work. It could act as a heat pump, sucking heat from the environment.

[elias]

The Centrifugal Force

Hi Jetijs
I think that the generated heat will increase by a power of 3 if you increase the speed of rotation, just a thought, can you give it a try and measure the temp increase in two different speeds?
If this is true the power can be significantly increased by increasing the speed of rotation.

I assume that the heat is generated by the friction of the centrifugal force and the force increases by a power of 2 if you increase the RPM, and as the speed of rotation increases the rate of friction increases linearly, thus the power output increases by a power of three.

Elias

[gene gene]

Hi Jetijs,
I was thinking that after your heater was up to speed and at max temperature. If the oil now was heating the hot side of the Stirling, then the electric motor could now be disconected allowing the Stirling to take over the work.

Gene

[lamare]

Sorry guys,

It appears that the file has been removed. It was posted at the waterfuel1978 site, which is operated by S1r9a9m9. Lately he has been deleting anything on his forum that is not directly related to his topic.

Try this link instead:

http://1a26.com/pdf/Free%20Energy/Fuelless%20Heater.pdf

Rick

Can't access that one too...

Is this the same file?
http://curezone.com/upload/Members/C...ess_Heater.pdf

[Tecstatic]

Hi everyone,

I remembered seeing a video of some flow around the outside surface of a shape. I found the video on my computer, but I don't have the link to the 25 seconds long video.

Water is flowing down one side of an egg shaped object, it follows the shape until the bottom and then leaves sideways.

During the sequence the flow is slightly reduced.

In the beginning a quite pure sound is heard from the turbulence.

But at a point the length the water sticks "uphill" is doubled, and the sound changes to more like "white noise".

The attached screen-shot picture below shows this situation.

IMHO this is probably also related to resonance, some way or another related to cavitation in the fluid.

So maybe a range of PRMs should be scanned to see if this condition could be fulfilled in the heater.

Eric

[gene gene]

Hi Eric,
I would be interested in seeing that video, do you think it was on youtube?
When looking into Victor Shauberger's works I was intrigued by a statement
that water would flow at a faster rate and the temperature would drop if
there were egg shapes in the pipe. I wonder if this might be part of the same
affect?
I drew a sketch as a reminder to test


Thanks to all,
Gene

Jetijs please forgive if off topic

[Tecstatic]

Hi Eric,
I would be interested in seeing that video, do you think it was on youtube?
When looking into Victor Shauberger's works I was intrigued by a statement
that water would flow at a faster rate and the temperature would drop if
there were egg shapes in the pipe. I wonder if this might be part of the same
affect?

Thanks to all,
Gene

Jetijs please forgive if off topic

Hi Gene

The wideo was on youtube, I have it in a Schauberger directory, so I'm quite sure I found it as a related video while looking at Schauberger stuff.

If you come across it, it is very easy to identify, as all frames looks like the picture I posted.

When I mentioned the sound changed to "white noise" like and increased sound level, this indicates lots of harmonics, and thus resonance.

So if I'm right on this, the heater RPM must be tuned just like almost everything else here.

Schauberger is definitely one of the masters, I attended a conference on Schauberger. They presented several special things on this technology.

There was a boat with greatly reduced drag, built full scale, but the inventor could get no funding for mass production even though significant fuel saving was demonstrated (smaller engine for the same speed).

They also told that the Schauberger research group is the originator of the special aerodynamic use on the front wings on a fighter plane, which increases the lift on the back wing. The small front wing creates an implosion vortex, at the end of the plane a wake creates explosion, a little like for the trouts, but here also improving the lift.

A paper plane with this effect was demonstrated, I have never seen a paper plane fly this long a distance on a flat throw.

What you show in your drawing i did not see, all the stuff in this category had Kudu horn like vortex generators.

Jetijs, sorry from me also, I just could not resist the opportunity

Eric

[Foggy-Notion]

Next test should be to see what the smallest uasable motor is.

"..Also what would be the point in using electricity to turn the barrel to create heat
to run the stirling engine? The losses would be great." - Jetijs

True with the small Stirlings available today, but the bigger the piston chamber of a Hot Air Engine,
the less temperature difference you need to operate it. John Ericsson built a 260 foot cargo ship
powered by a 4 banger, each piston having a six foot stroke.

http://www.genuineideas.com/HallofIn...ssonengine.htm

It is rumored that it ran off nothing but the cool of sea water on a hot day,
parabolic mirrors would make it fly and on a cooler day, it was heated with small fires.
Military subermines quietly adopted this techology, while public use was, you know.

Rumor has it, it worked so well, the coal brokers and likes, ordered it sank.
Since it was in shallow water and no one else saw the "storm" the insurence co
wouldn't pay, so they slavaged it, and converted it to steam, this is all just
a nasty rumor though.

But, (no one spends the money to install big engines on a boat without testing first)
Ericsson's cooperation was later rewarded with the contract to build the iron clad "Monitor".

I've seen one of his water pumps...
Rider Ericsson Hot Air Pumping Engine - Stirling Cycle Engine
a few years ago still in real use in Amish country, I was surprised because I thought they
were not allowed to use machines. They were burning corn cobs and running a belt with it
that sifted wheat or something (I'm not a farmer)

Conclusion, the power needed to move a 260 foot cargo ship, is substantial.
It worked well, was quiet and slick, It took the ship out to sea an back a few times,
the wider the diameter of the piston, the more efficient they are, the less temperature
difference needed, that's why those wider models run off a warm coffee cup.

One much wider can run off 40 degrees difference. Warm Air expands, gotta go somewhere.
Ericsson's pistons were 14 feet wide, barebones exposure to sun, and cool sea water made
it run on a good day, moving a 260 foot cargo ship, so, today, a small DC motor could spin
a 14'0.5" huggy around that baba.

An 80-hp piston powered by a 2-hp DC motor, just another OU swept under the carpet.
But you're right, why build all that, when you can go solid state.
But with the giant Stirling no one has to wonder if the extra energy is coming from
the parallel universe which will be sucked into ours, etc...

(when they can see it, they can better understand it)

[rickoff]

Can't access that one too...

Is this the same file?
http://curezone.com/upload/Members/C...ess_Heater.pdf

Yes, that appears to be the same file. Copy while you can, as they keep disappearing.

Rick

[Mark]

Wouldn't a Tesla Turbine style rotor work better with the fueless heater. Multiple layers of discs stacked for the rotor assembly would make more friction and heat.

Mark

[IndianaBoys]

Jetijis,

You may want to try Hemp oil. They used it in WW2 military vehicles in crank case and differentials. Has a very durable viscosity. Works as well or better than some of our todays true synthetic oils (AMS Oil).

IndianaBoys

[Foggy-Notion]

Jetijis,

You may want to try Hemp oil. They used it in WW2 military vehicles in crank case and differentials. Has a very durable viscosity. Works as well or better than some of our todays true synthetic oils (AMS Oil).

IndianaBoys

(and) it cures cancer. imagine that.

[rickoff]

Wouldn't a Tesla Turbine style rotor work better with the fueless heater. Multiple layers of discs stacked for the rotor assembly would make more friction and heat.

Mark

Actually, the Tesla turbine does not create heat. Rather, it reduces heat and pressure of the working medium (hot water, steam, etc.). If fully enclosed, though, with no intake or discharge circulation, then I would expect that it could produce heat due to the resultant turbulence. Turbulence would be greatest at the outer perimeter of the discs, of course, so this probably wouldn't be as effective as a drum style rotor. The exception would be having adjacent discs rotating in opposite directions. A bit more engineering, but not impossible.

Rick

[1NRG24Seven]

Great Job Jetijs!!!
Myself being in the waste oil recycling business and having working knowledge of waste oil burner systems you might like to know that most all oil is the viscocity of almost water at 180-190 deg F. Yet higher viscocity oil will increase drag which will increase heat developed in your heater befor it reaches these temps. Also the dirtier the oil the more drag and more heat this unit will put out. I have heard of a unit like this getting over 250deg F. The best carboned up oil we pick up is usualy from Diesel Tractor repair or maintanence facilities. That oil is so full of carbon its usually very viscous also because of how dirty it is.

Also if you place and inlet and outlet fitting on the outside cylander you could circulate the hot oil into a heat exchanger unit to heat water. Then you can easily calculate BTU', watts, etc if you have a known quantity of water. Remeber that 1 BTU is the amount of energy it takes to raise 1 pound of water 1 degree F

Use an electric motor with rotoverter technology with this heater and make it real effeciant. The rotoverter only draws the amount of amps needed to do work, so as the oil gets hotter the oil gets less viscous which means less drag on the motor.

Great Craftmanship on your project and good luck with further experiments. 24

[antorise]

does anybody have a working model ?

hi i am new here¡ anybody has a really working model?