Regarding The Ed Gray Motor

[Beshires1]

Ok after studying Ed Grey's Power Conversion Tube Patent, and Jerry Vollands patent Selective frequency optical generator - Google Patents
and also a patent of Pavel Imris. OPTICAL GENERATOR OF AN ELECTROSTATIC - Google Patents
I noticed how each resembled the leyden jar in construction. So I constructed a leyden jar out of a plastic container. punched a hole thru the bottom for the high voltage discharge of the ignition coil. glued another electrode into the cap of container, so that when the containers top is snapped back on the electrodes are seperated by about 1". I placed a copper tube inside the container that does not touch either electrode, but allows the spark to jump between the electrodes inside the copper sleeve. I connected No wire to the inside copper tube. The outside of the plastic container is wrapped with aluminum foil and has a wire attached to the aluminum foil only.I fired up the ignition coil and attached a 12v DC led to the wire attached to the aluminun foil and the led lit up without the other side of the wire being attached to anything. then I attached a small neon lamp bulb to the LEDs non connected wire and It lit up without the other end of its wire being connected to anything. Picture a single wire off the modified leyden jar having two different current AC plus a DC bulb lighting and the wire doesn't go on to a ground. Can anyone explain this? ImageShack - Hosting :: 1000316pj1.jpg

[Aaron]

Gray Tube

Hi John,

A 3-4kv cap at 2-4uf, I have seen these on ebay.

The kind I have are really old square ones with big terminals on top like some Frankenstein looking ones almost. My friend gave them to me a long time ago for my Gray tube projects.

There were Gray technologies unrelated to the tube that were higher frequency devices but just to keep it in mind, the Gray tube could run a pendulum... a single event at any interval.

Even so, the only high frequency part related to this is possibly charging the cap but that was about it.

I have pics of one of my little Gray tubes and how I assembled it. The output will pulse a coil to repel a magnet and I have done with with very small cap discharges into the tube so I have already shown myself the concept of the tube works.

I have also attached different variations of the Water Sparkplug circuit to it to demonstrate different principles to my satisfaction.

Anyway, glad to see the progress here.

[Beshires1]

I wonder if Ed Grey and Alexander Grey were related? A lot of things Alexander Grey has written in this Book were used by Ed Grey in his Patents. Of particular interest is the vacume tube # 28 in Ed Greys patent. Read Alexanders discription of the Mercury Vapor switch. Principles and Practice of ... - Google Book Search I believe this was the Item that Ed Grey used to convert the High voltage pulses after the CSET into usable DC current to be pulsed into the stator and rotor magnets. Ed Greys patent shows this tube leads to, as his patent calls it, a rotary switch or commutator. Lindemann states "IF this is a solid state device there would be no sparks in 20 " and "no need for 28". But it is well known that Ed Grey's commutator systems were designed as his patent states "like a automobile distributor" The rotary contacts rotated around making contact with the firing points as shown in Ed Greys Patent and sparks would be made as the rotor continued to turn rotating past and breaking contact. Item 20 is not a simple selective rotary switch but is indeed Ed Greys rotary distributor (commutator) that takes the DC current from 28 and chopps it to be distributed to the rotor and stator coils. If you check this Book By Alexander you will notice he also knows a hell of a lot about a Electric motors operation. Principles and Practice of ... - Google Book Search

[Aaron]

tube diagram

Beshires,

The diagram you post shows that the coils are puled from the low voltage side of the tube instead of the grids. The grid output should go to the coil then to recharge batteries in series with a cap in the middle for safety.

Or was that intentional?

[Beshires1]

Beshires,

The diagram you post shows that the coils are puled from the low voltage side of the tube instead of the grids. The grid output should go to the coil then to recharge batteries in series with a cap in the middle for safety.
Or was that intentional?

I just try to draw it as I understand it, to work sensibly, with the components that I think he actually used or duplicated to work. Here is a drawing as I think you suggested except I couldn't figure where the dang cap should be placed now. OH well, Feel free to modify as you wish. Maybe with a little help everyone will get a better understanding of Ed's basic system operation.

[Aaron]

picture modification

Yes that is becoming accurate.

The cap would be between the ground of the coils and ground of battery so the tube discharge won't explode the batteries. The cap there would be the same size as the HV cap at the HV rod...where you had the Ignition coil as HV source...if that works, which I have done exactly what you are showing with the ignition coil and also with straight cap discharges...the cap won't have to be as big.

[Beshires1]

What size and what type capacitor should be placed here? A High voltage cap like in a disposable camera? What about a automotive condensor? Also, when the rotor aligns with the coils firing position, What will keep the high voltage electrode in the switching tube from seeking ground, and jumping strait to the collection grids? I read somewhere that Grey had left out a means to ground the rotor magnets. Maybe he didn't leave it out of his patents, quite possible he found didn't need it.

Figure 2, in patent 3,890,548 is inconsistent with the text and other diagrams in regard to how power is applied to the rotor electromagnets. (This demonstrates how to write a good patent) Figure 1 shows how the patent connects the rotor electromagnets in a “Y” configuration, and then discharges three storage capacitors through them. If all three storage capacitors are charged to the same +3000 VDC potential referenced to the same ground then how does and current flow through the electromagnets at all? The operation of this part of the circuit is not obvious for a DC circuit using classical theory. For the sake of filling in a possible gap in disclosure facts, a slip ring connection to ground has been added to Diagram 2A. Keep in mind that some other technique may have been used.

In reviewing this power supply schematic, and the rest of the patent text, a technical person might pose these questions:

· What kind of commercial automotive-type ignition coil comes with a center tapped primary?

It is very possible that a custom wound primary was attached to a modified commercial ignition coil secondary.

[Jetijs]

Hi Beshires1,
can you tell me what all those letter meanings are? It is hard to see the text on a image so small
Thanks

[Beshires1]

Sure fix try this.

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1...system2pt4.gif

[john_g]

Hi

Thought I would post a pic of my tube so far. Construction: enclosure an old aquarium cleaner outer casing. Anode and cathode copper tube (from old immersion heater temp probe tube) , carbon anode plug (from old 1.5V battery) and tips made of silver sheet. Main tubes copper about 28mm and 48mm dia (Old heating pipes) both pipes drilled and soldered on to each tube is a red wire.

Still trying to sort out caps and load for the rest of the circuit.

However had to have a play, and attached in various configurations output from my Model T coil to the anode and cathode just to see what happens. Energy comes from the red wires which will light a neon, gets very bright if other side connected to "real" earth (rod into earth). Intresting that the neon will light up on single wire about 3 feet away. I managed to zap myself and dropped the neon attached to a wire to the floor where it was glowing quite bright which struck me as odd, then I noticed it was besides the battery, and it appeared that when drawing the neon across the battery casing, the neon would increase in brightness as it passed each cell. Also the neon seemed to get cold, but the weather is cold, my garage has more holes that roof - I will get an IR themometer to asertain. Also the neon made a fizzing sound - most odd.

I will keep you posted.

Regards

[Beshires1]

This information was copied from other source and is not written by me.


Ed Gray did state that when he decided to develop the CSET his
intention was to harness Tesla's radiant energy. Just as there is
more than one kind of electricity, there are at least 3 kinds of
radiant energy. The kind Tesla was dealing with in his patent was
different than the positive rays he later discovered, which fling
straight out when powered by extremely short unidirectional pulses.
This explains how Ed Gray's tube can operate at only 6,000 pulses per
second, or even a single pulse. It generates a different kind of
radiant energy than previously considered. It's taken me a long time
to understand that the CSET patent is included with the others, with
the other patents being part of the prior art, including Tesla's
patent and the spark pulse generator mentioned below.

The CSET patent states that the purpose of the one way energy
component, or diode, was to protect the arc switch contacts from
erosion caused by back EMF from the arc. However, the diode also
performs a different function as well. T. H. Moray showed that this
kind of energy can be picked up from the earth's environment using an
L shaped antenna. It can be seen that Moray was using the same kind
of energy, since a wire in his circuit could be cut, with the ends of
the wires placed on either side of a sheet of glass, and the circuit
would continue operating. So, as you say, the energy in Tesla's spark
gap was not an arc. This same type of perpendicular energy effect can
be produced with a spark, by T-tapping a High Voltage arc circuit
between the diode and a preceding cap, and positioning the end of this
jumper wire close to the arc. The CSET circuit has this T-tap,
running backwards through the motor to the grids. The T-tap spark
effect generates an oscillation having an extremely high frequency,
somewhere between 10 MHz and one GHz, depending on the size of the
capacitor. The high frequency environment within the CSET may be
tapping into the "Sea of Energy In Which the Earth Floats" that Moray
was using. For some reason, NASA stopped monitoring these four bands
of energy frequencies, back in the 1990's.

Just as the perpendicular spark breaks up into beautiful tiny little
violet colored microscopic spheres of radiant energy as it passes
through the magnetic sheath around the main arc, the battery's
inductively coupled pulse breaks up into tiny pulses of radiant energy
as it passes through the magnetic sheath around the capacitor's
discharge electrode. This radiant energy isn't visible because it's
spread out through too large a volume. Without the battery, the CSET
still produces radiant energy as the magnetic sheath breaks up the
capacitor's energy as it inductively couples with the grid. As you
say, this inductive coupling is not a current.

This inductive coupling effect is the basis for the spark pulse
generator which Ed does list as a reference patent. A cylinder
attached to a capacitive plate inductively transfers charge to a
central wire when the capacitor discharges. What Ed did was turn it
around and couple the central wire to the cylinder, producing radiant
energy in the process, and eliminating heat from the circuit and the
motor. This allows the motor to have much smaller wires than normal.

[boguslaw]

Hi

Thought I would post a pic of my tube so far. Construction: enclosure an old aquarium cleaner outer casing. Anode and cathode copper tube (from old immersion heater temp probe tube) , carbon anode plug (from old 1.5V battery) and tips made of silver sheet. Main tubes copper about 28mm and 48mm dia (Old heating pipes) both pipes drilled and soldered on to each tube is a red wire.

Still trying to sort out caps and load for the rest of the circuit.

However had to have a play, and attached in various configurations output from my Model T coil to the anode and cathode just to see what happens. Energy comes from the red wires which will light a neon, gets very bright if other side connected to "real" earth (rod into earth). Intresting that the neon will light up on single wire about 3 feet away. I managed to zap myself and dropped the neon attached to a wire to the floor where it was glowing quite bright which struck me as odd, then I noticed it was besides the battery, and it appeared that when drawing the neon across the battery casing, the neon would increase in brightness as it passed each cell. Also the neon seemed to get cold, but the weather is cold, my garage has more holes that roof - I will get an IR themometer to asertain. Also the neon made a fizzing sound - most odd.

I will keep you posted.

Regards

Could you draw schematic of your configuration ? I had something similar long time ago when trying to build plasma globe from old bulb.Suddenly bulb instead of light produced strange electrostatic shield around and I was zapped when holding metallic screwdriver being almost 1 meter from device.Unfortunately I was unable to reproduce it later.

[john_g]

Boguslaw

Sorry for the late responce, but with odd readings I had to recheck and I am even more confused that ever.

I brought myself an IR temp gun to confirm the temp reduction I thought I had. I tried the circuit again and the temp gun showed a decrease in temp. My initial thoughts were that maybe the IR temp gun was playing up with the HF or I was not on target. I mounted the neon onto a block (see pic) and connected as the diagram. The neon (half lit with only one wire attached) from a start temp of 8DegC dropped quickly to 2DegC and then cycling to about minus 26DegC. Everynow and again I put my finger in front of the IR sensor and it would leap straight away to my skin temp. So if RF was affecting the sensor then it should have missread my finger temp, which it did not do. Also the immediate local area registered a temp drop. I am not sure what to make of this. Maybe there is some kind of electro affect, that locally changes particles that the IR sensor picks up?

[boguslaw]

Where is your HV grounded ? Is neon second end connected to something ?

[john_g]

Boguslaw

No the neon is only connected to one side. Be it not that bright, but still lights up on an 8ft wire run. Maybe will do longer but that is all I had to hand. Have not measured the temp on an extended wire.