Regarding The Ed Gray Motor

[Beshires1]

Here is a new video, Not quite as dark as the other. I'm using two reed switches to give me quicker pulses to the ignition coil. I've also added a DC filter capacitor to smooth the high voltage output. You can hear when I switch thehigh voltage on, But I got a unexpected result when I turned it Off. The test motor reverses direction and spins as the large Capacitor discharges. At least I think this is what Its doing.
Ed Grey Circuit Test 2
I realize that this is not the intended purpose of this circuit. It is only to show proof of concept. This capacitor is wrong for the intended purpose of the Grey Circuit, But I am only using it to show through the test motor that the high voltage will flow through the motor and to the positive of the Battery. You will also notice the pulse driver motor draws down when I turn on the High Voltage. I really don't understand this, It is acting like a alternator pulling a load. The pulse driver motor is not connected to the ignition circuit in any way except thru the Battery.

[nat1971a]

wow awesome video beshires1!!!

great proof of concept

[nat1971a]

@beshires1

is that a modified dc motor?

[Beshires1]

@beshires1

is that a modified dc motor?

No , both motors came from a old PlayStation game controller, The kind what vibrates

[Electrotek]

My Electric Vehicle Motor

Attached is a picture of a motor which came from Ford's first electric car, the Think. As shown, the motor weighs in at 56 pounds and is 6 3/4" x 10 1/4". The windings are #20 AWG, and the stators have ferrite cores. The motor is rated at 6HP @ 60V. I'm sure this figure will go up when dealing with capacitor level voltages.

With all the coils wired in series, the armature will only turn 90 degrees between pulses. I'm going to build a slip ring commutator similar to Gray's White Motor unit, to experiment with this and see if I can find out what he was doing.

[Beshires1]

Attached is a picture of a motor which came from Ford's first electric car, the Think. As shown, the motor weighs in at 56 pounds and is 6 3/4" x 10 1/4". The windings are #20 AWG, and the stators have ferrite cores. The motor is rated at 6HP @ 60V. I'm sure this figure will go up when dealing with capacitor level voltages.

With all the coils wired in series, the armature will only turn 90 degrees between pulses. I'm going to build a slip ring commutator similar to Gray's White Motor unit, to experiment with this and see if I can find out what he was doing.

Thats cool But I'd check the number of rotor poles. If ya have a 3 to 8 pole rotor it shouldn't get to complicated. ( I have a 4 wheeler winch Motor that has a 3 pole rotor but PM fields) I'm thinking of converting the commutator for more actual testing. Thats the reason I was so concerned about the Ed Grey motor's rotor wiring hookup. I may be able to just add 3 wipers to the existing commutator segments, in mine. If your has four brush contacts it will be more difficult. But ya gotta break into it to see if its a good candidate.

[Beshires1]

I finished my low voltage CSET electrode. I used a carbon DC motor brush and drilled into both ends. I inserted my 10 gauge wire into the copper and cap glued the wire to the carbon. I shaped down the outside of the carbon with a file.(before gluing). Anywho check it out!

[Beshires1]

I've spent countless hours studying the photos of the inside of The Grey motor, and Now, I have got it. The photos were carefully taken so as not to show every thing. Its obvious that the coils all connect to the brush wiper assembly (common) power transfer point. But that thingy I thought was a terminal where the other end of each wire (coils) go. Is actually a port, drilled into the shaft that has possibly a metal or brass rod inserted into the shaft, to transfer the incoming pulses, past the bearings to the coils. All of the coils do fire at the same time. requiring a tremendous pulse of energy to energize the rotor coils and the field coils, at the same time. This hidden path (under the bearings), I'm sure was undisclosed to the public so people could sell videos showing how smart they are. I will be posting photos clearly showing this statement I have made is true.

[nat1971a]

cool...cant wait to hear it

[Jetijs]

Beshires1, in the Keelynet conference video Norman is showing talking about this. The prototype 5 that was made from plastic, the plastic shaft had a metal rod inside, just as you say and the rotor coils were connected to that rod via a bolt through the plastic shaft. Here is a pic:

Norman says that the energy was going through carbon brushes to a aluminum ring that was attached to the shaft before bearing (not shown in the picture). The wires from the carbon brushes were then connected to that bolt that transfers the energy to the rod inside the shaft. Then the energy travels through the copper rod inside the shaft past the bearing and comes out from that bolt between the coils. After that the energy goes through the coils and to the second aluminum ring with carbon brushes and out to the stator coils.
Hope this helps

[Beshires1]

Jetijs, thanks for saving me the trouble of posting that same picture. I have been troubled with that dang rotor coil wiring for some time. The photos posted here allways had those dang studs hidden. Inside the EVGray Motor - 08/27/00 I don't think that the Keelynet photos didn't show this by accident. If you buy their video then you get a little more info. I thought those involved were into public source not private gains. The Kellynet 2001 Conference can be down loaded for free ... as it should be for open source work. It can be had here:
peter lindemann keelynet conference 2001 torrents search

[Electrotek]

Thanks, Jetijs and Beshires1. You guys are awsome!
We're really making some progress on this forum.

[Beshires1]

Ok, I've been wandering with my experiments with the Grey Tube, So here is what I been up to. I was thinking of was to intensify the effect of the spark. Like having the spark travel a longer distance by jumping to a neutral grid. So instead of one spark I would get a train of sparks. How could I break up the spark? I found the perfect item to do this. The results are promising. I have made a doghouse shaped copper grid to set down over this thing and.... The spark seams to get stronger. I have at least 1 and a half inches of clearance between the grid and the "sparkgap", but I have a train of spark pulses 2" inside. Anyway you should be able to recognize my neutral grid spark stretcher.
Spark gap thru Proto Board
This thing is bout to blow my neon lamp. Mua Ha Ha!

[Jetijs]

Beshires1, that is a great way to break up the spark into several smaller ones, just like multiple sparkgap device on some Tesla coils

[Beshires1]

Tis pretty cool isn't it! the high voltage electrode is on the left. My ink pen, carbon resistor low voltage electrode is an the right. The high voltage end of the protoboard had to have a small Copper wire wrapped around the end of the board to get the spark to jump to the protp board grid. Funny thing is the spark trains seem to come from the low voltage electrode back to the high voltage
Spark gap thru Proto Board