Regarding The Ed Gray Motor

[nat1971a]

that was way cool......great work

[Aaron]

neutral grid

Beshires, when I have my cap charging circuit done, I can probably try this. I have 2 grids in my tube but they don't both have to be connected. The "neutral" grid could be the inner one and they can be spaced with rubber washers or something. I think this would basically be what you're doing here isn't it?

Bedini always drew all grids connected but testing will tell if there is an advantage otherwise.

[Beshires1]

Aaron, Not really . The holes in the proto Board are electrically isolated. So the Arc has to jump from hole to hole, Each has a tiny copper pad (for soldering components to the board. So its almost like I'm suspending the copper bits in air. And looking at the photos of Greys tube. Especially the vertical units, he has only One grid and its at least 2" from the electrodes, maybe more. I've been wondering how Ed Grey fit that CSET into a briefcase? But Grey says the spacing from the electrodes to grid is preportional to the expected event. So using a high voltage as he used the grids probably had to be further away from the spark gap to prevent it from jumping to his grids.

[Electrotek]

Way to go, Beshires1! With all those holes (breaks) in series with the arc, I'll bet you're getting some serious frying in your energy. This is the simplest way of doing it I've seen yet.

@Aaron: I think you're making some real progress with your "neutral", or intermediate, grid. It's thinking outside the box like this that will show us what's workable. Only then will we understand what's going on with the grids.

[Inquorate]

Neons on open circuits glowing

Hi guys, just been reading this thread and I've come across the effect described on page 2. For those who haven't read gotoluc's or Aromaz's threads, I'll repost video links here

YouTube - Inquorate 21

YouTube - Inquorate 22

@beshres - I can't see your google video, only using mobile phone web; could someone re-post it on youtube or metacafe or facebook? I can search for vids there using blueapple.mobi

Big ask I know. Thankyou if someone can :-)

[Aaron]

inner grid

Aaron, Not really . The holes in the proto Board are electrically isolated. So the Arc has to jump from hole to hole, Each has a tiny copper pad (for soldering components to the board. So its almost like I'm suspending the copper bits in air. And looking at the photos of Greys tube. Especially the vertical units, he has only One grid and its at least 2" from the electrodes, maybe more. I've been wondering how Ed Grey fit that CSET into a briefcase? But Grey says the spacing from the electrodes to grid is preportional to the expected event. So using a high voltage as he used the grids probably had to be further away from the spark gap to prevent it from jumping to his grids.

Hi Beshires,

The inner grid would be electrically isolated so the HV jumps from rod and has to jump to the inner grid (not connected to outer grid) - this inner grid serves the same purpose as one of the copper holes on the board - then it jumps to the outer grid that is connected - same as the ground side of the board.

The main thing about the spacing on everything in the tube in my opinion is just to have the spacing from the rods to grids larger than the gap between rods - that way the preferred path is the LV rod when circuit is connected.

[Beshires1]

Hi guys, just been reading this thread and I've come across the effect described on page 2. For those who haven't read gotoluc's or Aromaz's threads, I'll repost video links here

YouTube - Inquorate 21

YouTube - Inquorate 22

@beshres - I can't see your google video, only using mobile phone web; could someone re-post it on youtube or metacafe or facebook? I can search for vids there using blueapple.mobi

Big ask I know. Thankyou if someone can :-)

Would someone please upload this video to you tube for Inquorate. For un known reasons I can't upload to you tube. What effect are you speaking about on page 2 Inquorate?

[Beshires1]

Hi Beshires,

The inner grid would be electrically isolated so the HV jumps from rod and has to jump to the inner grid (not connected to outer grid) - this inner grid serves the same purpose as one of the copper holes on the board - then it jumps to the outer grid that is connected - same as the ground side of the board.

The main thing about the spacing on everything in the tube in my opinion is just to have the spacing from the rods to grids larger than the gap between rods - that way the preferred path is the LV rod when circuit is connected.

Aaron , to get the high voltage to pass thru the proto neutrals I have to practically touch the electrodes to the board. The board I used is only for proof of concept. So, you could cut a single row of holes from a proto board quite possibly the length of your tube and attach between your electrodes inside your existing tube setup. I know that your planning to electrically isolate your inner grid, but the effect will not be the same. The inner grid doesn't have any breaks in it so the high voltage will only spark once as it jumps to the grid and once as it goes to the low voltage electrode. You would only gain one extra spark.
I don't know for sure but by looking at the video it appears the low voltage is sparking back to the high voltage electrode. my low voltage is on the right in the video.

[Inquorate]

Page 2 effects

Someone posted that they could light a neon and a LED off a leyden jar around a spark gap without a ground connection. Currently working out how to increase effectiveness and make a radiant energy detector.

[Beshires1]

Oh , Yes that was me. Now I understand a little more about what you were doing with the bell and neon wand..... I think

[Inquorate]

@ beshres

'I think' is where I'm at too.. My current tests are 3 pronged in their intent: 1 build a better radiant detector, and in the process, learn how to absorb radiant energy. 2 use the detector to see what materials absorb and emit, and are neutral re radiant. 3 learn what parts of circuitry can channel radiant without leaking it, and what materials / circuitry can channel it without losses or leakage...

From that will come knowledge of best way to trigger radiant effects and which ways to best utilise/capture it...

Working from the ground up, instead of trying to replicate patents designed to hide the secrets of their true function and method...

In respect to the true function of this thread, I'll post further results in Aromaz's thread, but I have my silent fingers in many pies :-) and am keeping an eye out for inspiration / verification in many threads.

[Spearmaster]

Radiant Detector

Inquorate; I see reference in your last posts of a radiant energy detector. I would like to ask what the gist of such a device is, or how I might go about trying to build one? What is there about radiant energy that can be isolated, and how would this be accomplished?

Thanks,
Carl

[Beshires1]

More good news. After reading Mark McKay's PDF #5, I got a Idea. In the conversation they mention the more resistance the stronger the effect in the Grey tube. So I added a 1 inch thick, carbon motor brush between the spark Gap, touching the high voltage to the carbon block and leaving a small gap between the carbon block and the low voltage side to arc thru the tube. I got a nice quiet spark. I removed the Neon lamp from the collection grid and wired the small electric test motor to the grid, and to Battery positive. The arc jumped a quarter inch to the grids from the larger carbon block. and the test Motor moved. It was not a spinn as in my earlier video, but it was movement. This is the only time that I have gotten any visible results after the spark has jumped a gap of any Kind. The spark from the carbon block is not blue or white in color but seemed to have a sort of orange-red flame around the spark. I have to date, not had any movement from the test motor with just the high voltage jumping to grid. The key seems to lie in the resistance within the CSET and using enough carbon.

[Beshires1]

Hell, after thinking about it a minute or two, These results should be had by using the resistor (carbon block) on the high voltage electrode instead of the low voltage side of the tube. Allthough, in my test I do have a carbon resistor on the low voltage side as well, I don't think it is needed on the low voltage side. The arc jumps to the low voltage to charge the batteries and jumps to grid (from carbon on the high voltage electrode) to pulse the motor coils.

[nat1971a]

Thats great news....it's just as i thought then the carbon in the circuit...is very important....

so we have a carbon resistor in the CSET and a carbon commutator with carbon brushes. Which i am assuming acts as a negative resistor. Bringing energy in from the environment.

Well done.

My experiment was with graphite...so i am hoping that will generate similar results