Regarding The Ed Gray Motor

[What The Flux]

More good news. After reading Mark McKay's PDF #5, I got a Idea. In the conversation they mention the more resistance the stronger the effect in the Grey tube. So I added a 1 inch thick, carbon motor brush between the spark Gap, touching the high voltage to the carbon block and leaving a small gap between the carbon block and the low voltage side to arc thru the tube. I got a nice quiet spark. I removed the Neon lamp from the collection grid and wired the small electric test motor to the grid, and to Battery positive. The arc jumped a quarter inch to the grids from the larger carbon block. and the test Motor moved. It was not a spinn as in my earlier video, but it was movement. This is the only time that I have gotten any visible results after the spark has jumped a gap of any Kind. The spark from the carbon block is not blue or white in color but seemed to have a sort of orange-red flame around the spark. I have to date, not had any movement from the test motor with just the high voltage jumping to grid. The key seems to lie in the resistance within the CSET and using enough carbon.

Pardon me if this is a dumb question, but if the spark is jumping to the grid and through the motor, wouldn't we expect the motor to move? All you have is normal electrical current going through the motor. I thought the idea of the grid was to gather radiant energy leaving the anode at 90 degrees. If the spark is arcing to the grid, that's the same as pumping an HV pulse directly through the motor. Maybe I'm missing what you're trying to show here.

[nat1971a]

in my system...i am already generating radiant energy with the bedini circuit.....so whats in the 2000volt caps and jumping the gap/grids should in theory already be radiant energy. Mind you i have an insulated sphere as well which i believe cancels out any inductance in the circuit

instead of charging the battery with radiant energy i collect it in a 2000v or higher cap then discharge to the grid....

i took mine up to 2600volt caps and the lights started to work really well

well at least i think thats is what is happening...

[Beshires1]

Pardon me if this is a dumb question, but if the spark is jumping to the grid and through the motor, wouldn't we expect the motor to move? All you have is normal electrical current going through the motor. I thought the idea of the grid was to gather radiant energy leaving the anode at 90 degrees. If the spark is arcing to the grid, that's the same as pumping an HV pulse directly through the motor. Maybe I'm missing what you're trying to show here.

Apparently, you haven't tried to get any results from the high voltage after the spark jumps. Just jumping the high voltage to grid, will produce nothing. I've spent countless hours trying to get something useful from the CSET. I have found that the high voltage will spin the test motor, connected directly to the motor and on to the positive side of the battery. (With no Spark Gap)

I'm beginning to think that I'm the only one trying to get usable results of any kind, from the CSET. Simply put, you should work with what is giving results, instead of waiting for a phenomenal energy expression to just happen. I've produced all types of sparks in the CSET with no usable results. Grey states in the patent that a electrostatic discharge goes through the grid to the load, the high voltage discharge spark is electrostatic.

[Electrotek]

@Beshires1:

Others are trying to get results from the CSET. Aaron is trying to pop a magnet (similar to Gray's Series Three motor), and I hooked a small motor up to mine.

You say your spark to the grid is electrostatic. What color is it? An electrostatic spark is yellow.

I think this is the key, that the effect is electrostatic. Ed Gray said he understood lightning. And the most powerful capacitor in the world uses two sheets of chicken wire spaced from a third, central sheet. This is in Sandia's Z Machine. 42 of these caps store more than 200 Tera Joules. This looks like the kind of capacitor the CSET is. If so, that's why it can replace a capacitor bank. The key is how to charge the air inside - to make lightning.

[Electrotek]

Series 3 Motor

Here's the basic circuit for Gray's Series 3 Motor which used magnets on the rotor. So far, no pictures of this motor have publicly surfaced:

ImageShack® - inertiatek's images

[Beshires1]

@Beshires1:

Others are trying to get results from the CSET. Aaron is trying to pop a magnet (similar to Gray's Series Three motor), and I hooked a small motor up to mine.

You say your spark to the grid is electrostatic. What color is it? An electrostatic spark is yellow.

I think this is the key, that the effect is electrostatic. Ed Gray said he understood lightning. And the most powerful capacitor in the world uses two sheets of chicken wire spaced from a third, central sheet. This is in Sandia's Z Machine. 42 of these caps store more than 200 Tera Joules. This looks like the kind of capacitor the CSET is. If so, that's why it can replace a capacitor bank. The key is how to charge the air inside - to make lightning.

Dosen't mention the color here but it do say that any spark that creates a electrical discharge path in air is electrostatic. Meaning the long white spark that jumps from the ignition coil thru air to anything is electrostatic. And that is what powers the load in the Grey tube. That is why I've been trying to get results from the high voltage discharge from the ignition coil. Think for a moment, thats enough, when was the last time you saw yellow lightening?

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Electrostatic discharge (ESD) is the sudden and momentary electric current that flows between two objects at different electrical potentials. The term is usually used in the electronics and other industries to describe momentary unwanted currents that may cause damage to electronic equipment.

ESD is a serious issue in solid state electronics. Integrated circuits are made from semiconductor materials such as silicon and insulating materials such as silicon dioxide. Either of these materials can suffer permanent damage when subjected to high voltages, as a result there are now a number of antistatic devices that help prevent static build up.
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* 1 Causes of ESD
* 2 Types of ESD
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o 2.2 ESD Damage due to charge potentials
* 3 Prevention
* 4 Simulation and testing
* 5 References
* 6 See also
* 7 External links

[edit] Causes of ESD

One of the causes of ESD events is static electricity. Static electricity is often generated through tribocharging, the separation of electric charges that occurs when two materials are brought into contact and then separated. Examples of tribocharging include walking on a rug, rubbing plastic comb against dry hair, descending from a car, or removing some types of plastic packaging. In all these cases, the friction between two materials results in tribocharging, thus creating a difference of electrical potential that can lead to an ESD event.

Another cause of ESD damage is through electrostatic induction. This occurs when an electrically charged object is placed near a conductive object isolated from ground. The presence of the charged object creates an electrostatic field that causes electrical charges on the surface of the other object to redistribute. Even though the net electrostatic charge of the object has not changed, it now has regions of excess positive and negative charges. An ESD event may occur when the object comes into contact with a conductive path. For example, charged regions on the surfaces of styrofoam cups or plastic bags can induce potential on nearby ESD sensitive components via electrostatic induction and an ESD event may occur if the component is touched with a metallic tool.

[edit] Types of ESD

The most spectacular form of ESD is the spark, which occurs when a strong electric field creates an ionized conductive channel in air. This can cause minor discomfort to people, severe damage to electronic equipment, and fires and explosions if the air contains combustible gases or particles.

However, many ESD events occur without a visible or audible spark. A person carrying a relatively small electric charge may not feel a discharge that is sufficient to damage sensitive electronic components. Some devices may be damaged by discharges as small as 12 volts. These invisible forms of ESD can cause device outright failures, or less obvious forms of degradation that may affect the long term reliability and performance of electronic devices. The degradation in some devices may not become evident until well into the service life of some devices.

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A spark is triggered when the electric field strength exceeds approximately 10 – 30 kV/cm[citation needed] (the dielectric field strength of air). This may cause a very rapid increase in the number of free electrons and ions in the air, temporarily causing the air to abruptly become an electrical conductor in a process called dielectric breakdown.
Lightning over Rymań town. Northern Poland.

Perhaps the best known example of a natural spark is a lightning strike. In this case the potential difference between a cloud and ground, or between two clouds, is typically hundreds of millions of volts. The resulting current that flows through the ionized air causes an explosive release of energy. On a much smaller scale, sparks can form in air during electrostatic discharges from charged objects that are charged to as little as 380 volts (Paschen's law).

Earth's atmosphere consists of 21% oxygen (O2) and 78% nitrogen (N2). During an electrostatic discharge, the intervening atmosphere become electrically overstressed. The diatomic oxygen molecules are split, and then recombine to form ozone (O3), which is unstable, or reacts with metals and organic matter. If the electrical stress is high enough, nitrogen oxides (NOx) can form. Both products are toxic to animals, and nitrogen oxides are essential for nitrogen fixation. Ozone attacks all organic matter by ozonolysis and is used in water purification.
The Hindenburg, moments after catching fire.

Sparks can cause serious explosions because of the high temperatures reached in a spark, methane and coal dust explosions having been suspected as being caused by electrostatic discharges. The Hindenburg disaster has been attributed to spark discharge igniting flammable panels tainted with thermite, which burned rigorously, violently, and extremely swiftly, which ultimately led to the ignition of hydrogen gas held in or leaking from the airship at the time[citation needed]. The ship had just passed through a thunderstorm and so probably picked up a large charge. Discharge occurred when mooring ropes were dropped as it came in to land in New Jersey in 1937[citation needed].

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[Aaron]

practical work from Gray Tube

Apparently, you haven't tried to get any results from the high voltage after the spark jumps. Just jumping the high voltage to grid, will produce nothing. I've spent countless hours trying to get something useful from the CSET. I have found that the high voltage will spin the test motor, connected directly to the motor and on to the positive side of the battery. (With no Spark Gap)

I'm beginning to think that I'm the only one trying to get usable results of any kind, from the CSET. Simply put, you should work with what is giving results, instead of waiting for a phenomenal energy expression to just happen. I've produced all types of sparks in the CSET with no usable results. Grey states in the patent that a electrostatic discharge goes through the grid to the load, the high voltage discharge spark is electrostatic.

I have ALREADY popped a magnet with the coil from the grid. I have stated this in the Gray Tube Replication thread. This happened with a variation of the Gray circuit and water spark plug circuit. It wasn't gigantic but it happened - a few times. When I have time I want to run a pendulum with it to work out the consistency of it happening.

It isn't magical. Jumping into the diode that shuts off CAUSES the HV capacitor to discharge FASTER, which increases the power you get at the inductive load...more power than just discharging the cap without having a diode turn it away.

Again, JUMPING INTO A DIODE AND HAVING IS SHUT OFF CAUSES THE HV SOURCE TO DISCHARGE FASTER. What happens when you take that discharge but but discharge it in a faster period of time?

So far I'm the ONLY one that has ever show a simple demo of a spark jumping the gap, then having the diode shut off and move to the grids. This puzzles me why nobody else is showing this one very simple thing.

YouTube - Gray Tube Demonstration Proof of Concept

[nat1971a]

RED FLAME travelling above wires

i have never mentioned this before but since beshires mentioned it. I thought it might be relevant. Several months ago i got red flames travelling above a section of the magnet wire from the battery to the transistor. But it only happened when the transistor blew up...and it was so quick and so unexpected that you couldnt possibly catch it on camera. I have never seen anything like it. Still dont know what was causing it. It happened about 3 times during the course of my experiments

[Beshires1]

Great work Aaron! I've been using the diode sense you made that post in the Gray Tube Replication thread. Cept my diode is on the end of my low voltage electrode. (silver tip, carbon resistor, copper electrode, diode, wire to low voltage source) Anyway In your video I noticed that you touched the wire low voltage I think. My setup will light me up if I touch any wiring when the CSET is sparking.(I have the same type jumper wires and alligator clips I think) I also had to add a insulated extension to the High Voltage output on my coil, and if I do not connect to anything and fire the coil up it will shoot sparks almost 3 inched down the outside of the insulator to the low voltage positive feed post and to the pulsing ground.(coil will jump fire to its on posts)
Just wondering do you think that the condensors across the 40 amp relays is the reason my coil is so "hot". They are not shown in this schematic but they are connected across posts 30 and 87 of each relay.

[Aaron]

bridge problems

Hi Beshires,

I appears that the HV output is not properly connected to the full bridge. The HV output should be at the left and right side of the bridge. The top of the bridge to the HV rod in the tube. The bottom of the bridge should be connect to a common ground. This is why your coil is getting hot.

I'm guessing the coil #1 is hot because the way you have it connected, the battery + is connected through one single diode right back to the HV output of this coil and back to ground. You are shorting the battery though the motor and through the coil whenever the relay for coil #1 connects.

[Electrotek]

@Beshires1: I have seen yellow lightening with my own eyes. It's what's know as a Superbolt, and is very rare. I've also produced this effect with foil taped to both sides of a sheet of glass. (With NO diode.) I got multiple simultaneous discharges coming off all four sides of the cap, with the sparks about 3/8" thick, powered by a 15kV NST. But every spark I get with a cap is yellow. On the other hand, rectified HV sparks from a coil are usually blue or white. So my question was to determine if the spark which jumped to your grid came from the coil, or from some charge build up in the air, similar to the Ion Valve?

@Aaron: Yes, I remember that you popped a coil in the past, and have said as much. What I meant was that you're currently building a set up to produce usable work, with the magnet on a wheel. And I agree that the white spark has a higher frequency content, which will focus the pulse in time, producing more output power. And the higher the frequency of the inductive coupling, the more displacement current from the battery - through the capacitor - you'll have available for the pulse. The Water Sparkplug effect is what attracted me to this forum. I recognized the effect as offering an improvement over what Gray was doing with his basic circuit.

@nat1971a: Your red spark is very interesting. Normally, a red spark from an ignition coil signifies low voltage. This is especially noticeable when an ignition coil is powered by a square wave, and the supply voltage to the inverter falls below a certain threshold. However, there is a Scalar effect which also produces a red spark. This happens when one field component gets delayed by 90 degrees, with the result that the energy pulse rotates around the axis of its travel. The color's wavelength represents the distance of one rotation at a given velocity and is independent of frequency. And it doesn't have to be high voltage, as long as the energy is traveling. Since your spark was traveling, this is probably what you observed. And this type of energy is destructive, as you found out.

[Guest]

Anyone ever tried a water nozzle for water mist injection to the spark gap? Remember Mr Tesla suggested all caps should have water as dielectric coating. And Meyer got some results too in the end.

[nat1971a]

Found this yesterday....seems like it is talking about the gray tube design perhaps...

We can amplify the direct conversion process that I have pointed out by introducing our alpha particles with a light element, such as beryllium. An alpha particle from radium has enough energy to fuse with a beryllium atom. Energy is released in the form of a fast neutron. Impinge this fast neutron on a silver electrode and you have electrons. Provide a copper or graphite electrode opposite to the silver electrode and you have yourself an electrical potential difference between the two electrodes. Attach an electrical load across the electrodes and you have electrical current. How much power can be obtained from this process is beyond the scope of this report. Any offers to provide power calculations are welcome, anyone up to the challenge.

[Electrotek]

A pdf of Perreault's Patent Application was passed around on a private list I'm a member of, with bets that it would be suppressed the first thing, when the Patent Office opened the following Monday.

Here's an exerpt from his Application, Filed May 04, 2007:

"The instant invention described can be slightly modified to convert high voltage, high frequency, and radio frequency currents into a direct current. This feature is accomplished by adding an electrically conductive substance such as mercury, not shown, into the electrically non-conducting vessel 1. Any number of electrically conductive substances that will form a vapor or gas when heated can be used and this will not depart from the spirit of the invention. Said modification can also be utilized without the radioactive substance 4 if the input source has enough energy to excite the vapor or gas into an electrically conductive state. The advantge over prior art is that current is less limited through the use of the present invention and therefore more received energy can be converted to a direct current."

[Beshires1]

Guys, I've got this thing about being able to look at something and and using it for something other than what it was designed to do. Well , I've done it again! Today, While at da WallMart. I found a clear acrylic marinating syringe. I bought it for $1.98, took it home, and commenced to building a "Tube". I unscrewed the plunger end, saved the cap, discard the plunger. There is a hole left in the screw on cap, where the plunger went thru, I drilled it out a little and inserted the high voltage electrode and glued it in place with goop glue. I cut a piece of rain gutter leaf guard, galvanized expanded metal rolled it up and shoved it into the tube for the grid. Drilled a tiny hole to run a piece of 14 gauge stranded copper wire, thru the tube and attached the wire to the grid. (Easier said than done) Next I unscrewed the syringe and what do ya know? The 10 gauge single strand copper wire I use for my electrodes slipped right in. I checked it out on the ignition coil and adjusted the gap to suit me. Then glued the low voltage electrode into place. With the other end screwed on this tube is air tight. Coolest thing is after running it tonight, The spark looks like a yellow flame. And flashes so bright I see spots. Yep, Made me a Grey Tube from a Syringe. Gotta get some batterys for the camera And I'll make you guys a video.