Regarding The Ed Gray Motor

[Aaron]

battery in Gray Circuit

Ignition coil(s) are perfectly able to charge HV caps FAST with the right circuits. Just because one circuit you make allows for slow charging only applies to your specific circuit.

The only thing that the battery could contribute to the effect is the mixing of hv low amps and high amp low voltage.

When the HV cap discharges, it jumps into the diode. The diode closes because and the HV cap potential that is hanging out without a fixed ground at that point jumps to the grids. AFTER the voltage on that side of the diode goes BELOW the 12v battery voltage, the diode opens back up and the battery MAY OR MAY NOT discharge to the grid piggybacking on the tail end of the HV potential that is acting as a conductive pathway for a low to go over.

So, you MAY have 12-14 volts at whatever amperage being added to 4000v+ at low amps.

The battery here is equivelant to the booster cap in the water sparkplug circuit where the booster cap (low voltage too low to jump a gap on its own) CAN and WILL jump the gap using the HV potential moving across the gap as a conductor for it.

Mentions of the battery charging the capacitor by Gray is simply that the high frequency step up circuit used to charge the capacitor is powered by a battery...that doesn't have anything to do with a battery being connected directly to the HV capacitor.

Gray also shows the circuit to charge the capacitor does NOT have to be powered by a battery and can be powered directly from wall power.

[Inquorate]

Ignition coil amps

I've put 2.5 amps through a coil, added a 3rd coil (30+ turns of .6mm enamel coated copper wire) around the base of coil and added this (one end) to collector or base of two Tip35c transistors being triggered by self oscillating relay..

Spark got 3x as long, and the only component to give way was my wall socket (2.5a) transformer.

Coils can handle quite a lot of amperage.

[Electrotek]

Find the amp rating for your ignition coil. most can output .025. Is that a milly or a pica?

That's 25 miliAmps. A thousand of those pulses will give you 25 Amps. Times that by a hundred and you get 2500 Amps. The pulses Gray was using were around 1700 Amps.

However, the EMA-1 used a different principle, requiring an input of only 27 Watts, with the output being about 380 times greater. Richard Hackenberger was a classically trained engineer Gray hired to sort it all out. Unfortunately, Hackenberger's EMA-4 only produced 2Hp and did not attract any investment capital.

[Beshires1]

Aaron You are right on some of your statements but absolutely WRONG on others. But mostly wrong. But Hey, I found the truth. I started looking for the answers in the Tube but the tube itself kept leading me away. No one told me to go looking for the Holy Grail. I found the answer on my own.I also knew that what I found out was going to ruffle feathers. But there are some people here who should know the truth, and it is plainly spelled out in patent 3,890,548 Now the wool has been removed but, its up to each individual to look. Why not charge a capacitor and discharge it into a coil. I could also simply used a wall transformer, But I know that It will work that way.Simply put I don't have a long enough extension cord to run a electric car around the yard on. To be practical, the capacitors can be charged by a ignition coil, then why not use the High Voltage AC to power a motor? It takes more battery power to produce High voltage AC then rectify it then charge the caps than the energy drained coming strait from the Battery to charge the caps. As plainly as is stated in patent 3,890,584. Aaron, being a intelligent man, all anyone has to do is read the patent.

[Beshires1]

At 200,000 switching cycles per second, with available amps, the ignition coils should be able to charge the caps for that rotation rate, with one ignition coil per cap.

In my video you can see how fast I can charge a small disposable camera, capacitor. Grey was using huge monster caps. I have a 37000-75 VDC Spraig Powerytic. Its the large blue one in my earlier video. It charged only 8V in two minutes.Using two ignition coils powered by my variac at 26 VDC.

[Electrotek]

Electro Magnetic Association (EMA)

Aaron: Well put, and a concisely presented understanding. The original technology did pull energy from the environment in the form of magnetism. It was negenthalmic. However, there's more to it than just the speed of discharge increasing power in the moment.

Professor Chernetski found that he could "cohere the active vacuum" with an interaction of different voltages in a fairly long spark. Unfortunately, he's not around to help clear up the matter, due to his terminal car crash shortly after meeting with Hal Puthoff concerning the "One Watt Challenge". He had a 40 W circuit. (Hal assures us he's not working for the CIA.) And my friend Chukanov is using a similar technique with his Ball Lightning, getting thousands of times OU, on a small scale.

The key is to build something and if you notice an anomalous effect, figure out what's going on. But if it's not OU, then try to find something else.

[Electrotek]

Charging Rate

In my video you can see how fast I can charge a small disposable camera, capacitor. Grey was using huge monster caps. I have a 37000-75 VDC Spraig Powerytic. Its the large blue one in my earlier video. It charged only 8V in two minutes.Using two ignition coils powered by my variac at 26 VDC.

Remember that you're using mains current, at 60 pulses per second. How much charge would you have after two minutes if you used 60,000 pulses per second.

[Beshires1]

Ok , Im trying to remove the Dr. from my sig. But so far when I backspace on it it kicks me out of user cp.

[Aaron]

comments

Beshires,

Your signature is fine...was simply concerned about negative comments regarding anyone that brought this Grey technology to our awareness to begin with.

I'm not concerned about getting feathers ruffled in regards to differences of opinion of what is happening in the circuit...that is what this forum is for.

[Beshires1]

Remember that you're using mains current, at 60 pulses per second. How much charge would you have after two minutes if you used 60,000 pulses per second.

Probably a lot more than if I was charging six or more monster capacitors As Grey was. He also said he switched to battery charged capacitors to get the instantaneous capacitor charging ablity..... In THAT other patent I speak about. I'm sorry, but after charging a capacitor using the output from two ignition coils, the only way you can convince me is to show me rather than tell me.You can See the voltage climbing on my meter in my video. Now I am not saying that its impossible to do. But can you show me? At 10,000 Rpm he is discharging a capacitor ,if he has 6 large capacitors, he will discharge one large capacitor 27.7 times a second for one capacitor. Now Show me.

[Electrotek]

Beshires1: Like I said, I'm not using a battery in my research, at this point.

The important thing is that you've been able to pop a coil. Now, use a bigger battery, with more charging amps, and some bigger coils, with the charging technique you're pointing out.

Have you seen my video? I think my caps are charging a lot faster than normal, using my high frequency diode tap. And I'm getting a lot of frying from the sparks. A bigger cap makes it even louder. It sounds like the foil is shaking from edge to edge, as if it were a bifilar coil. But the cap isn't bifilar. (Pat. #4179627)

[nat1971a]

from what i gather from all the conversations here the speed of the discharge is very important. We should concentrate efforts on working this out.

1. As aaron has advised discharging into a diode speeds up the cap discharge
2. I noted that on closer examination of the photos of grays cset that the rods appear to be solid silver...its hard to tell...so i guess that has an affect
3. partial vacuum is probably also required to given max speed of discharge
this also fits in nicely with aarons description of what is occuring. And nicely with Tesla and crookes
4. Possibly moving the LV diode closer so that it is in the tube perhaps to make the compression faster

anyone else got anything to add here?

[Beshires1]

Nope I'm Past all that stuff now, Buildin my motor replication is next on my list.

[nat1971a]

Beshires...i know how frustrating this is...i am starting to getting tired of it myself......so much money and time has been put into this with very little to show for it....

But i feel like we are so close to getting some results.....change is coming...i can feel it.......

....i just think we havent mastered producing a proper electro radiant event yet. I will persist on ....time permitting...this is our future....we must succeed.......it has been done...all we have to do is find the missing pieces of the puzzle.

[Inquorate]

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