Regarding The Ed Gray Motor

[Beshires1]

At 1.31 of the video, right before the discharge you can also see that weird bright speck appear on the floor. Frame by frame shows this spot clearly appears right before the discharge. Recon its some kind of orb? I think its just the absolute beginning of the discharge caught at the end of the frame. the discharge is at 1.32.

[Electrotek]

The video wouldn't load that far for me.

You're right, it's an artifact of the way the camera scans, half a frame at a time.

[Beshires1]

Here are the last four frames to event:
http://sites.google.com/site/chasing...discharge1.jpg This frame shows tiny blue predischarge sparks.
http://sites.google.com/site/chasing...discharge2.jpg More tiny blue sparks.
http://sites.google.com/site/chasing...discharge3.jpg Here is the bright spot notice no blue sparks.
http://sites.google.com/site/chasing...discharge4.jpg discharge.

[Electrotek]

Will this same switching effect you produced also occur with just a short strip of sheet metal next to the arc, with no grid?

What will happen, using your circuit, if the arc is outside the grid?

[Beshires1]

If I touch the grid wire to the unconnected leg of the capacitor it discharges the cap, but will not energize the popping coil. And check this out I can move the unconnected leg of the capacitor away from the trigger bar,touch the trigger bar with the grid wire and still get the cap to discharge but again the coil will not energize. Only with the unconnected leg laying close but not touching the trigger, can I touch the grid wire to the trigger bar and get the required effect.Grey shows my trigger bar as 3 U shaped terminal blocks spaced 120 degrees degrees around the interior of the commutator that fires only when the rotor coils are perfectly aligned with the stator coils. All tho there are other firing positions between these contacts these are the only contacts used to produce rotor rotation.These contacts appear to be the two contacts with the square block between them, every 120 degrees around the commutator. As you have seen in old commutator photos. Grey refers to part of his commutators as "the programmer".

[nat1971a]

hmmm well i tested out the vacuum pump yesterday and it started to crush the grey tube after about 5-10 seconds....so it works pretty good

[Inquorate]

Vacuum pump



@nat, don't think I'll have time in hectic life to do videos. I've divulged most of theory on Aromaz thread.

[nat1971a]

ok i will check it out

[Beshires1]

I Find it hard to believe that there has been no activity on the 3 threads dealing with the Grey tube and Grey Technology. I guess I should have not posted the small breakthrough I made. But I thought that it would boost everyone's enthusiasm to know that something that they were working on does indeed work. I'm not here trying to prove energy from the aether. I'm trying to unravel a mysterious motor's working functions. Getting the motor to work using the principals of the patents, Is my top priority. If I find out durning the course of my experiments, that there is another force at play here and the device actually does produce a mysterious energy, that to me is just a plus. Aaron, maybe you learned about The Grey saga from Peter but, I'm 50 years old and knew of it, long before I ever heard of Peter. Its just only about 95 percent of the information on the internet is either his or second hand information of what he says, thats posted on many different web sites.

I haven't gotten all the answers that I'm searching for. I'm still a little confused with the commutator and all its functions. But I'm figuring out more and more sometimes daily. I can tell you exactly what the slip rings were for all though they didn't "slip" as the term suggests. I know what most of but not all of the contacts were used for. which contacts charged the capacitors, when the power supply is removed from the coil-capacitor circuits and which contacts fired the capacitors. There are a lot of functions I still can't "see" but in time I will figure these out to. But I can say for sure that, after studying the commutation, that Grey or whoever designed it was absolutely brilliant. It will be extremely difficult, if possible, to redesign and have it preform the functions it preforms.

[Electrotek]

Sorry I haven't posted anything new on the Tube replication thread. I'm building a new CSET, which takes a while. I'll have some pics soon.

Yes, I'm happy you made a breakthrough. You're definately earning your honorary doctorate in this field. One question: can you shuffle the juice back and forth between two caps, as you pop the coils? That's what Gray said he was doing.

[Beshires1]

Sorry I haven't posted anything new on the Tube replication thread. I'm building a new CSET, which takes a while. I'll have some pics soon.

Yes, I'm happy you made a breakthrough. You're definately earning your honorary doctorate in this field. One question: can you shuffle the juice back and forth between two caps, as you pop the coils? That's what Gray said he was doing.

I can't do tha shuffle just yet but I think, looking at the stator wiring and firing timeline (Fig.18) Grey does this by having it setup in a parallel config. Say for instance he a long feeder cable he has one leg of a electromagnet wired to the feeder one leg to a contact pair. he has one side of the capacitor wired to the feeder wire one to the other contact pair. With several coil capacitor pairs along the same feeder wire. Lets say the feeder wire has a low voltage potential. If he passes a high voltage potential over the capacitor contact it will charge it. source of charge moves away. Now comes that mysterious U bar to allow the capacitor to discharge thru its paired coil and back into the low voltage feeder line.Where there are a series of capacitors all along the feeder line. I think that this what he was doing. But I'm not a electrician , I don't know that this is possible. But he does state that as the system ran it requires less and less power from the power source.

[Electrotek]

Capacitor Shuffle

Beshires: Like you, I was reading about Gray's motor long before the Internet came out. In fact, I haven't seen some of the things I read back in the 70's online. However, we do owe a debt of gratitude to Peter for all he's uncovered and posted. He basically started, and empowered, the disclosure.

And I do have a simple series circuit which shuffles the energy back and forth between two caps. This is something I'm not going to post here, since it would be better to allow you to discover your own, perhaps better, approach.

[Beshires1]

And I do have a simple series circuit which shuffles the energy back and forth between two caps. This is something I'm not going to post here, since it would be better to allow you to discover your own, perhaps better, approach.

I think I also know about circuit to which you mentioned. I'm trying to see if I can find it in Grey's application.

[Guest]

I am with you Beshires, I believe your work is great and I do not understand why nobody else is trying your approach, it is really the first step.

[Beshires1]

Thanks, Guass, I'm just going with what I understand of the patent. It will hopefully, all come together.