Condensation-Induced Water Hammer

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

I'm not sure how many people have seen the Schauberger patent for exhaust sytems...
http://www.rexresearch.com/schaub/de1442734.pdf
Too bad it's in German.... But the pictures tell you everything you need to know.

Very similar thing he's doing; injecting something compressed (exhaust gas) into a chamber tangently to induce a vortex, and forcing it out one end, and using a venturi on the other end to add something to the mixture, is this case water.

How about a hho gen in the bottom and an ignition point somewhere in the output tube? Afterbuner anyone?

[Vortex]

I'm not sure how many people have seen the Schauberger patent for exhaust sytems...
http://www.rexresearch.com/schaub/de1442734.pdf
Too bad it's in German.... But the pictures tell you everything you need to know.

Very similar thing he's doing; injecting something compressed (exhaust gas) into a chamber tangently to induce a vortex, and forcing it out one end, and using a venturi on the other end to add something to the mixture, is this case water.

How about a hho gen in the bottom and an ignition point somewhere in the output tube? Afterbuner anyone?

i do not think i ever viewed this patent before, i had seen
a image here and there before.
The patent with all images in one document makes it clearer what is going on.

Obtaining a non-scanned/non-pdf/text copy of this patent would be great to
have in that it could be put into a translation into English.

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

I knew you'd enjoy it

I actually used acrobat reader to scan the pictures to text, but it really doesn't tell much useful...honestly the pictures tell the whole story. I can upload a converted version though if you're really interested.....

[gyula]

I'm not sure how many people have seen the Schauberger patent for exhaust sytems...
http://www.rexresearch.com/schaub/de1442734.pdf
Too bad it's in German.... But the pictures tell you everything you need to know.

Hi,

At the European Patent Office there is a free built-in language translator.
Here is the link to a text version of the DE1442734 and click on the yellowish icon: "Translate this text". In a new window you will get the English machine translation, unfortunately the original text includes misprints so will the translation too, unfortunately.

espacenet — Description

rgds, Gyula

[ollywilson123]

Interesting idea!

[MantaRay]

This thread has been an interesting read. Has anyone done any more experiments on this idea? I am tempted to get some copper pipe and do some tests myself.

I have also found some more info on the jet.

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[MantaRay]

..and the patent.. it seems..

[wings]

I'm hoping the Goal is:
Turn steam into kinetic energy in the form of a one way flow of water.

I realized I had lost focus of something really important. One Way Flow.
It's super easy to get kinetic energy in water from steam.
Just stick the steam pipe into water, you're done.
.. it's the one way flow that's important.

Tesla, Schauberger and others have already done the leg-work on this one way flow.

Stack the Deck with Hearts


A heart shaped device can be tested with compressed air for effectiveness.
I'm hoping a full-blown Telsa design is not required to archive one way flow.

link to Telsa patent

Keep on thinking
Randy

some of the above circuits remembers me Fluidics an equivalent of electronics using fluids devices see:

Fluidics

[Gdez]

Water hammer effect

Looks like an interesting thread. I have only breezed through it and I think this one relates well. Sorry if someone has already posted it on this thread.

☤ Physiká For Future Tesla's ☤ : Understanding Water Hammer & Cavitation (Compilation) - YouTube

Gdez

[tutanka]

Research shows Condensation-Induced Water Hammer (CIWH)
can produce 1000+ psi events with low pressure steam.

An example of CIWH creates 30 HP (22 kilowatts) from a device less
than 8" long by 3" in diameter with no moving parts. It mixes steam,
air and water to create this power. This device ran on 4 bar (58.8 psi)
steam, but the research might indicate any psi steam will create this effect.
See image, rough dimensions listed below.

What are the break even parameters in this energy equation using
the simplest water turbine at 60% system efficiency?

If steam at any pressure can move water at 100, 200, ? psi
could one extract more energy out than put in?
Create a device with a 1" inlet and a 3/8" outlet.

Additonal ref. see near the bottom of the web page
Condensation Induced Waterhammer vs.
Conventional "Steam Flow" Driven Waterhammer

The device has roughly: 2.35" water inlet, 1.4" steam inlet,
1.07" inner diameter water restriction where the
air is mixed and 0.93" water outlet. I have more diamen

I tried to crunch the numbers myself but I kept getting tripped up.
Randy

If you analyze the undewater steam jet device you see that is the same of Stan Meyer Injector only just bigger.. The power of thrust is generated from the HYDROGEN BOND ENERGY .. The reaction is always the same.. The steam (with an pressure of about 6 bar) impacting on cold water produced the condensation and water droplets... at the same time the collision on the "WATER WALL" (MECHANICAL WORK) produce the reaction releasing the bonding electrons from the droplets, these are absorbed from the air with the generation of negative ions.. the effect of EXTRA-PRESSURE ON WATER (the water pressure in output is more of double respect the steam pressure) is produced from the electrostatic repulsion of the water positive droplets on the same input water.. because remember that.. the WATER IS ANELASTIC!! This is new way for obtain thrust directly from the water and on the water.. no need dissociation of the water into hydrogen/oxygen and burn .. you obtain the same reaction using electromagnetic radiation and/or mechanical work directly.
In this thread http://www.energeticforum.com/water-...r-project.html the explaination, video and image..

[wrtner]

All this reminds me of John Worrell Keely and his hydro vacuo machine.

I think he tapped the incredible power to bring down lath and plaster ceilings with water hammer in old Victorian plumbing. i recall a design for his machine using standard parts from a plumber's supplier, but have never been able to get back to it.

[tutanka]

All this reminds me of John Worrell Keely and his hydro vacuo machine.

I think he tapped the incredible power to bring down lath and plaster ceilings with water hammer in old Victorian plumbing. i recall a design for his machine using standard parts from a plumber's supplier, but have never been able to get back to it.

I don't know the story of this man or the patent of hydro vacuo machine if exist but probably we are talking of the same reaction because don't exist another way for extract the energy directly from the water molecule.

I have extracted these words from the  New York Times, 22 September 1884

Stripping the process of all technical terms, it is simply this: I take water and air, two mediums of different specific gravity, and produces from them by generation an effect under vibrations that liberates from the air and water an inter atomic ether. The energy of this ether is boundless and can hardly be comprehended. The specific gravity of the ether is about four times lighter than that of hydrogen gas, the lightest gas so far discovered.

Always the New York Times reported in June 1875 that Keely's new motive power was generated from cold water and air and evolved into a vapor "more powerful than steam, and considerably more economical"


In the year 1884 don't know the existence of the hydrogen bond that has made the entrance in the chemistry literature in 1923 proposed by Gilbert Lewis.



I don't know if Mr. Keely was a fraud, as is reported in some documents, but probably during the experiments has found casually the HYDROGEN BOND ENERGY.

[wrtner]

I am sure Keely was NOT a fraud. The big problem he had was that there is not the vocabulary for him to describe.

If there is one thing which gets swear words pouring out of builders who are working on old Victorian housing is faulty plumbing which sets up water hammer and threatens to cause such shaking of the entire house that six ceilings could fall down. They will swear at anyone not rushing to the source of the problem to get it stopped. The power here is enormous.

Keely seems to have used this effect to power a motor. We need to recreate this.

[tutanka]

I am sure Keely was NOT a fraud. The big problem he had was that there is not the vocabulary for him to describe.

If there is one thing which gets swear words pouring out of builders who are working on old Victorian housing is faulty plumbing which sets up water hammer and threatens to cause such shaking of the entire house that six ceilings could fall down. They will swear at anyone not rushing to the source of the problem to get it stopped. The power here is enormous.

Keely seems to have used this effect to power a motor. We need to recreate this.

With these information you can. You can process the water droplets molecules and air using collision method or infrared sun.

[wrtner]

With these information you can. You can process the water droplets molecules and air using collision method or infrared sun.

How do you do that?