Perendev home generator for lease?

[monsterman]

i seen this site Perendev Power Alternative Energy
they have generators for lease. Are these free energy magnet motors? wow high price for a lease plus a monthly payment

[rickoff]

Reply to Monsterman

Hi Monster,

Some exhorbitant costs to lease this equipment. What gets me most is that the inventor made a working model of the design 39 years ago, and just think of where we would be at today if he had shared it freely.

Rick

[wpage]

Special application

These appear to be special atmosphere type generators for mining and places where for safety low levels of emission is a must for generation.

Yes costs are high!

[monsterman]

Hi Monster,

Some exhorbitant costs to lease this equipment. What gets me most is that the inventor made a working model of the design 39 years ago, and just think of where we would be at today if he had shared it freely.

Rick

I think he wants to be the new rockefella or rothschild and have the whole world as his slaves

[monsterman]

These appear to be special atmosphere type generators for mining and places where for safety low levels of emission is a must for generation.

Yes costs are high!

the nitrogen motor they claim to have is for mines but the top 3 in the page are for generating power

[roxaz]

I think he wants to be the new rockefella or rothschild and have the whole world as his slaves

oh come on... Once we get our hands on it we can reverse engineer it and thats it. Oh yeah, dont remind me that its illegal. I dont give a flying f##k about rights of greedy ones.

[rickoff]

Reply to W:

These appear to be special atmosphere type generators for mining and places where for safety low levels of emission is a must for generation.

The nitrogen motor is for mines, but the others are Magnetic motors. They are normally started by an electric motor using battery power, and then go into self-running mode. You certainly wouldn't need a 100kw unit for your home power needs. One tenth of that would be more than enough. I suppose you could sell power to your neighbors, or let the power company pay you for the excess power you produce, and that would help pay for the unit. Way better if you could build one, though.

I like the Perendev demo video, and it seems like a relatively simple and straight-forward device. Too bad the quality and resolution isn't that great, as it is hard to see much detail. Does anyone have a link to the patent, where some diagrams can be found?

Regards,

Rick

[Jetijs]

Rick, check this out:
Directory:Perendev Permanent Magnet Patent Application - PESWiki

[monsterman]

i got an email from perendev and in his letter stated he is no longer with the german company and is on his own now in switzerland. letter also stated that the german company promised him 500,000 euros plus 6,000,000 more euros for research and development and he never recieved a penny. SO now he is going it alone and is set up in switzerland and has units for lease only. You can invest in his holding company. he is selling 26 percent share of the holding company for 26 million euros.

[rickoff]

Reply to Jetijs and all

Rick, check this out:
Directory:Perendev Permanent Magnet Patent Application - PESWiki

Thanks, Jetijs

I don't know how I missed finding that before. I downloaded the pdf file of the patent application, and I like what I see. I believe that there really is enough information given in the document to enable a working replication. I'd be happy to devote whatever time I can to a replication effort.

If anyone else is interested in working on a replication prototype, please step forward. If so, I suggest that a new thread be started, named "Perendev Magnetic Motor Replication Project," so that it is clearly understood what the thread is all about. With that said, I will go ahead and start the thread, show links to the Perendev video and the pdf file, explain in simple terms what needs to be done, and make a proposal for dividing up the work of the initial stage between those who will volunteer their efforts. I'll work on that and have it posted within the next 2 days. In the meantime, anyone interested in joining the effort should step forward in this thread and let their interest be known. The initial stage will concern determining, as closely as is possible, all of the preferred design characteristics of the model as stated and illustrated in the pdf document. So this would be a good time for each of us to dig into the pdf, and make notes of everything that should be considered in a replication design. When I have the thread started, post your findings so that we can compare notes and reach an agreement as to what the pdf design factors are, which factors are the most critical, and how a prototype might best be constructed to allow for optimal fine tuning of the device. Keep in mind that, in a replication prototype, every critical factor should allow for adjustment in order to obtain the best results. In other words, the magnets and shielding must be fully adjustable in the rotor and stator bores, the angle of the bores must also be made adjustable (within at least a 30 to 35 degree range, which is the "preferred" angle), the alignment of the rotor bore offsets between the 3 rotors should be fully adjustable within a decided range, and the operational gap between the stators and rotors (when the stator "clamshell" is fully closed) must also be adjustable. Another thing to consider is the ratio of spacing between the stator bores in relation to the spacing of the rotor bores. The spacing is different, and not just because the stators are larger in circumference than the rotors. In other words, if the stators were continously encircling the rotors, all of the stator bores should not all align perfectly with a corresponding rotor bore. This much is stated in the pdf, although the actual alignment difference is not even hinted at. Therefore, this design factor must allow for a relatively wide lattitude of adjustment in the prototype. The design does mention the type and size of the magnets, and the correct shielding materials (there are 2 layers of shielding on each magnet), and we can see that there are 18 magnet positions in each rotor - although some of the bores, according to the pdf, will best be left empty. So think about these factors, and whatever else that you consider will be critical to tuning this in for best results. We don't want to just build something that will revolve on its own - we want to maximize the rpm and torque potential of the device. Once the prototype is constructed and optimally adjusted, these optimum specs can be measured and duplicated in a more solid rotor and stator design (such as shown in the Perendev video) with only minimal adjustments required.

Thanks for reading through this and giving it some consideration. I hope that this can generate some real interest and participation. If we can build a successful replication, it should be the cats meow of home electric power generation, and should also jump start some successful electric vehicle projects.

Best to all,

Rick

[Jetijs]

Rick, have you seen this?
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...light=perendev

I did play a little with this Perendev concept a while ago.

[wpage]

Rick count me in!

Hi Rick & Jetis,
This may be over my head, The Perendez generator looks very interesting. Will help in any way possible with this.

Is patent infringement a issue here?

W

[Matthew Jones]

I don't trust it. From what I understand Europe has had a rash of hoax's latly with overunity type motors. Many, Many people have throwing good money down the drain for everything from fake solar panel, bad electric fuel cells, and home generators.
Partially do to the money involved in selling power.
A good example was the Hungarians at EBM Gamma Manager Energy By Motion (EBM)

THis was a functional and Efficient electric MOTOR, or generator didn't matter but it was not self running at all. They made the claim that the Thermal energy that came from it, or other wise HEAT was the overunity and could be harnessess to produce extra energy.
Alot of people paid 5 thousand euro to see this motor in deminstration and when they found out the rational for overunity....

This guy is probably the same thing. Or maybe not but either way he won't make it no one who selld this stuff ever does.

Matt

[braden]

how hard can it be

YouTube - Perpetual Energy?

[roxaz]

YouTube - Perpetual Energy?

fake. anyone with a little understanding in how magnets work would understand it.