Perendev home generator for lease?

[jibbguy]

I don't know about the subject in general being 'fake"... There are some working devices out there using nothing but perm magnets (although no motors with ANY significant torque have surfaced yet; torque being required to do any useful work), except for the possible exception of the mysterious Korean "MagForce" crankshaft design; which claims 300 H.P. ; but has nothing to back it but the word of Shinyon, the mfg).

But i am afraid that Mr. Perendev does not have a good reputation throughout the FE world now. I'm not judging him, but that's the fact of it.

The most interesting recent news on this subject imo comes from Col. Beardon in his recent letters published about 6 weeks ago, where he details the ASYMMETRIC magnets that would appear to be the sure answer to these questions: Apparently, some1 did patent a process for making magnets with asymmetric fields (meaning the "N" pole could be stronger than the "S"...). According to Col. Beardon, this inventor signed an agreement with the U.S. Dept. of Energy, which promptly sat on this important new process for manufacturing magnets... For over 6 years now ;(

Just imagine what magnetic motor designs would be possible when the most difficult problem was overcome!

[monsterman]

YouTube - Perpetual Energy?

prob using air

[ashtweth]

Good points about the torque, what about this guy?
YouTube - Soukup2955's Channel

[rickoff]

To W and all,

Hi Rick & Jetis,
This may be over my head, The Perendez generator looks very interesting. Will help in any way possible with this.
Is patent infringement a issue here?

W

Hi W,

Thanks for the positive response. I'm sure that you can play a useful part in this. Patent infringement isn't a problem with the Perendev, because no patent has been granted. The application was reviewed, but was challenged by the investigator, and the patent denied. The investigator cited that, "the claimed invention cannot be considered novel, or cannot be considered to involve an inventive step..."

Even if it had patent protection, we could still replicate it as long as we don't plan to market and sell the technology or the device. So no problem in that regard.

The technology used in the Perendev PMM is relatively easy to understand, and the information shown in the patent application is definitely sufficient to enable replication. The greatest hurdle that I see in the design is the size, number, and cost of the magnets that would be required. The unit has 3 rotors, and each rotor holds 18 magnets for a total of 54, according to the patent drawings. As shown in the demonstration video, YouTube - Perendev magnetic motor each rotor has 30 magnets. The larger rotor is preferred, in order to better accomodate the magnets within the acute angled rotor borings. So there's 90 magnets already. To that you must add the stator magnets. In the patent app design, there are 7 magnets in each stator half, so 42 in all. The larger design, as shown in the video, uses approximately the same number of magnets as used by the rotors. It is said that some of the magnet bores won't actually be filled, so let's assume, for the moment, that we only need 150 magnets. That's still a lot of magnets! Since the magnets are specified as being cylindrical neodymiums having a 37mm (1.5 inch) diameter and 75mm (3 inch) length, they are going to be rather costly. I haven't been able to locate a 1.5 inch diameter cylindrical neo of that length, so it looks like you would need to use 1.5 x 1.5 inch neos and stack them. So now you're talking about a total of 300 magnets! At K&J Magnetics, for example, you can buy a 50 count quantity of these for $1200, so that would be $7200 for the number we would need. That is just way too much to make the project practical from our standpoint. You could attempt to reduce the magnets down to around 36, and perhaps still have a working model, though certainly with much less rpm and torque than the one shown in the video. But the question then becomes whether or not it would be worth trying. You really need a circle of relatively closely spaced magnets in this design to achieve continuously smooth rotation. The whole idea behind this is to always have two magnets in active repulsion that together have the necessary force to move a third magnet past it's point of highest resistance (where the third magnet is closely approaching the next stator magnet. Once the third magnet passes direct alignment with the stator magnet, it then becomes one of two magnets in repulsion that will drive magnet #2 past its point of highest resistance, and so on. That, plus the anglular placement of the magnets, and the effective use of shielding, is what makes everything work together. If you omit any magnets, then the operation will be statically, dynamically, and magnetically unbalanced, and you won't achieve good acceleration and rpm. That is why Sterling Allan's replication, although looking very nice, and built by Douglas K Furr, a Ph.D. mechanical engineer, does not perform very well in Sterling's demonstration video:
YouTube - Perendev and Bedini motors
Note that only about 1 of every 20 possible magnet locations was filled. To complicate matters, anodized aluminum was used in the build. You can see how close one of the rotors is to the aluminum framework, and that was a very bad idea. The noise that you hear, as the unit rotates, is actually the magnets slapping around in their sockets, so they were not secured or shielded adequately. I have looked at several other replication attempts (and yes, that includes yours, Jetijs), and they all fall short and fail simply because they do not duplicate all of the necessary elements of the Perendev PMM. My feeling is that it wouldn't be wise to start a Perendev replication unless you intend to do it right, and the cost of doing that is simply too high to make this a viable project unless you are either financially very well set or can obtain a funding grant. I think it would be smarter to work on a different design that will have similar capabilities, and yet be reproducible at a far lower cost. I do have some positive thoughts in that regard, but not enough time today to write them down.

I really would be interested in hearing the thoughts of any of you others who have studied the Perendev design, and in knowing what you like about different PMM configurations. It isn't helpful to post negative statements saying that useful PMM's can't be built, or that all of the ones which have been built are just hoaxes. So if anyone is reading this who is of that mindset then please don't waste your time or ours by posting such comments, as I will stop reading at the first hint of negativity. Let's concentrate only on positives, and talk about what will work to achieve success at a reasonable cost.

Thanks for your time and consideration,

Rick

[Joit]

Good points about the torque, what about this guy?
YouTube - Soukup2955's Channel

Soukup will build a bigger Motor now, and make a Patent on it.

For me he did stole the Idea from this Guy
YouTube - Magnet Motor - Calloway V Gate : 02
and Dietmahr Hohl in Austria have something similar build. but not Soukup.
Well, at last intresting, if he will share it, or only make Money with it.


@Braden
I did a quick rebuild, and this Disc with the Magnets is far away from run.
But its intresting anyway,
When you would have a Magnet in the Center, what moves slighly left and right, it would work.

[cersis]

Everything is possible in this world, we just have to discover how to do it.

Hi Rick,

I know that your message was posted since 2 years ago. I hope and wonder if you have had any achievements in building a perendev magnetic generator. I am very interesting and am trying to build one in a much smaller scale. That implicates that the costs are also much less and it will give you an overview of all the comments the people are doing about this issue.
Personally I think it is possible. God is the creator of all things and he made us in his image, with power to create. There is nothing impossible for God to do, so it should not be impossible for men to create something good for mankind when they involve God in their plans.
My goal is to build a smaller magnetic generator to fit it in a car to drive the electric motor of the car, so I do not have to use and charge batteries. I know and feel in my spirit that it is possible and I am working on a proyect.
Any information you have that can help me will be great.
Thank you for your time.

Ben