Just a tought - gathering basics.

[Tehnoman]

Hello to ya all.

Haven't posted much lately, because I have turned to kind of passive state for a while. Studies takes time and I strongly feel that I should pay all my attention to them, as now is the course of electromagnetics and other very helpful stuff as numerical methods, computer simulation and so on. Although we are thought the classic electromagnetics, we are presented not only with facts and formulas, but also with the way people got to them, logical assumptions and experimentation. I think that insight of this side could help understanding the holes, reasons why classic assumption say "no energy exchange with active vacuum" and make free energy as fundamental and simple as possible.

That said about my late background, now to the case.

As more as I read, learn, experiment, listen to other experimentalists, I start to feel that all the research is a bit chaos. Bedini systems, Tesla switch, Lindemann motor, Gray Tube, Gray Motor and many more devices... All quite different and yet - there seems to be some common characteristics. And so I thought It would be a good idea to summarize fundamental basics of these devices and so - free energy extraction from environment. That would be key elements, key operational principles and classical approach mistake.

Don't know if this has been tried before, but if we would succeed, I believe it would be powerful summary of free energy knowledge. Also I would say that text format won't be enough to make all this compact and foreseeable, some kind of block diagram would be more appropriate. But for starters text based discussion would be good enough.

So from me, there would be few starting points:

1) Magnetic field
As far as I am aware, magnetic coils are every were - starting from Bedini systems, lasting to all kinds of electric engines and resonators. On my to do list is to explore magnetic induction, field energies, inductance from A - Z. The goal is to find out - from where comes Magnetic field energy and possible unconventional usage of it.

2) Spark gaps
Just read, that produces electro radiant events. Haven't thought about it much.

3) Caps
Mentioned because saw somewhere that caps plays important role.

So any thoughts? Additions?

[Joit]

Hi,

About the Current, and magnetic Fields,
DAviE did post a nice Link at this Thread
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ergy-here.html at Reply #23.
It explains alot about the Physical Effect from Current and Wires.

But i think, there are more Ways, to make Free Energie.
So there is more then One Base.

The smallest Thing i saw, was this Disc, what spins with 6 Magnets on it,
and 1 outside.
Here is the Link
Directory:OC MPMM Magnet Motor - PESWiki
It works with the attraction of the Northpole at the right timing.
And well, Timing is a importend Factor at the Nature too.

But when you look at the Thestatika, what works Electrostatic,
then its a different Principe.

Other mention, her System works with the Load-charge-rest-reload Principle,
like Tom Bearden do.
Even, when i am not sure, if the MEG ever really worked, or just blowed out hot Air, like a transformer do.
At last, someone stated, it did produce 90 Watt of Power.
Good for 3 Bulbs.

This other Guy later at the Free Energie Thread did make a selfrunning Generator with the Waterpump, what brings the Power back over mechnical Way to the Generator.

For me, i try to stay at on Direction what i do prefer, and go for these Things.

And well, Energie from the Vacuum means by me, you get the Energie from the Space between an Atom Electron and the Neutron and the Circulation
There is nothing between them, but enormous Forces, when you want divide tor move them seperated.
So not, that there is a Big Vaccum at Space, where you drag out the Whole Energie.

And for the Coils, there are different Ways to make them,
even Tesla had more, like the Pancake and the Bifilar Coils,
There are a lot ways to make one.
I think for me, when you got a well running Thing,
it should work with any Coils, and that should not the Point,
its only importend, when you wanna build something, what is based on Coils.

Anyway, for me should have a good System a Positive and a Negativ Side,
that the Energie, you start to move can regenerate itself.
And mainly i think, its a good Way, when you have 2 seperate Circles,
what are mechanical splitted, or different from eachother.

To get back to the basics,
I think, it pretty depends, what Kind of Device you got in Mind,
and the Way to it is allways a bit different.

[Tehnoman]

I think you misunderstood me. If I say "basics", I really mean "basics".

Of course, I'm not saying that all these devices are the same. I only say that there could be base principles, on witch we could build and understand all these devices. Ok, I won't lie - there definitely IS base principles, and they are finite in numbers and discoverable after all. There is only one question - are we able to find them.

It is like classical mechanics, for example. There is three fundamental Newtonian laws on witch all mechanics are based. Nothing complex, nothing unimaginable. And all quite logical. And on these 3 base laws is built whole mechanics, from simple forward movement, till more complex gyroscope effect. Of course, nothing is perfect and neither are these 3 laws. But yet in mechanics it describes all situations within reasonable level.

Further, If we look at Einstein's relativity theories, there is only one base principle - speed of light is constant in every frame of reference. And yet - these have been proved to be strongest theories ever tested!

And so on...

If we ever intend to understand even small portion of so called "free energy devices", we have to order things right. Like T. Bearden tried to do in his book "Energy from Vacuum: Concepts and Principles".

--Arranged facts and advised causes is knowledge, which we can use to make predictions and find possible usage for our own benefit.
--Chaos in facts and discarding causes is like randomly taking some books out of shelf and looking over few titles and pictures. In that way one can say - yeah, I know that book. But actually he or she haven't red any one, and thus have no idea, what is inside. And that has no use.

I admit, that it may sound like creation of "theory of everything", but it is not so hard. We don't have to create TOE, but we have to create a small portion of it, for our specific needs.

Do really no one sees my point?

[Joit]

Well, i do.
But seems more you missunderstand me

I dont think, there is a basic Concept for making Overunity,
there are more then one Way, and all have different Laws.

For Current is maybe the Pdf above the closest.
And there, you have minimal 4 different Factors, what are playing in.

When you build a mechanical Device, you have other Factors to calculate.

One Basic Way for all Devices is for me impossible.

Like, how you make a Dinner, sometimes you need more, and sometimes you need lesser Ingrediences, that it Taste well.