The Great Global Warming Swindle

[sucahyo]

National Parks is a Federal Department. Aren't we lucky there isn't a carbon tax or we would be paying for it.

How about carbon credit?

[Peter Lindemann]

IPCC Findings Reviewed and New US Climate Bill

Hi folks,

Here is a new article from the BBC about the new InterAcademy Council convening to review the IPCC, in the wake of its admitted errors and PR debacle.

BBC News - Review of IPCC workings set to open

Also, here are two more articles on Senator John Kerry's new Climate Change bill. Remarkably, it RELAXES rules on off-shore drilling! The first one is a news item; the second one is an analysis.

BBC News - US senators unveil climate change bill

BBC - Richard Black's Earth Watch: Much-drilled bill signals climate endgame

Peter

[Cloxxki]

Nice find Peter,
"Subsequently, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon asked the InterAcademy Council to run the review. The council is independent of the UN, and has the capacity to select from among the world's top academics. "

Ordered by the UN, but apparently independent.
Can we up front put our faith in the review panel, or do we need to look at how strong they dare slay their "academic" colleagues' work, and subsequently th UN's workings themselves?

[Joit]

Nice find Peter,
"Subsequently, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon asked the InterAcademy Council to run the review. The council is independent of the UN, and has the capacity to select from among the world's top academics. "

Ordered by the UN, but apparently independent.
Can we up front put our faith in the review panel, or do we need to look at how strong they dare slay their "academic" colleagues' work, and subsequently th UN's workings themselves?

No. That doesnt sounds good. Ban Ki-moon was formerly at the Bank of Manager from Exxon Oil, now hes in the Climate Gate Scam and was a strong Supporter for this Bill.

Just figure, why it needs Peoples like Lord Monckton to tell, that noone knows exactly, what Global Warming or cooling cause,
like a lot others Scientist know.
How comes, that a Person like Bankimoon dont knows that,
it is his Business and his damn Job to know about it.
Seems more like, he wanna stick his Nose into things, what are actually not his Business anymore.

About the Glacier melting, well, Himalaya is a good Example to use,
but, i live beside the Alps, and there been huge Glaciers, what did go far into the Area, and they are not only glued to the Mountains.
There are longe ranges, wide Areas and much Tracks where you see, that there been Glaciers,
and they are gone, but not over 100 or 200 Years, or 20 Years,
over a Time from thousand Years.
So how can someone expect, that the Glaciers still stay as they are,
and blame a constructed Global Warming for the Cause, when they melt.
And surely will a small Pice of Ice melt faster then a bigger do.
Well actually not allways, but you think the smaller Pice melt faster,
because it decrease faster.

[Peter Lindemann]

UN Picks New Climate Change Chief

Hi Folks,

Here is a new article at the BBC about the UN replacing the head of their Climate Convention process.

BBC News - UN picks new climate change chief

The first order of business for the new leader will be to restore confidence in the UN and its Climate Negotiating process.

Peter

[swompwalker]

The government says we shouldn't put carbon emissions into the atmosphere, then they go and do this.

Smoke blankets Sydney after burn-off - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

They call it hazard reduction. Tell that to the Climate Change camp.

National Parks is a Federal Department. Aren't we lucky there isn't a carbon tax or we would be paying for it.

Pollution over Sydney is not unusual. Sydney shares certain similarities with LA in that the pollution tends to sometimes blow in and out contained somewhat by the rising land on the landward side of the city Standing on the high ground above Rosebay one can often look out and see the pollution hanging over the city (and my house on the shore of Watsons Bay - I tend to think its time to head home to the bush) this aint healthy for anyone - particularly those with sensitive chests. However, the burning appears careless in not anticipating wind directions and speed and or choosing a time when conditions were more reliable. Burning off I see as positive particularly as a safety measure for those living in the area. Burning both naturally and by the Aborigines has "always" been a part of the countries regenerative process - it's natural! If you want to see a real input to climate change check out the plume over Iceland and that is but one such. It goes without saying that I do not blanket wise subscribe to mans influence on climate change but I do believe in clean air.
The carbon credits I believe to be a laughable and very expensive nonsense. Don't you just love it when some politician looking for some means to try and balance the books comes up with a new "Green" tax which makes it all wonderfully politically correct. Indeed socially negative not to enjoy paying. Guess who will be several hundred times more punitively punished by these taxes? The affluent members of society? - I don't think so!

[ashtweth]

Finally, Is the Earth Warming or Cooling? It depends.

See Bob Carter on the GW hoax:
YouTube - Climate Change - Is CO2 the cause? - Pt 1 of 4

Ten Myths on Climate Change

LAYING TEN GLOBAL WARMING MYTHS

Myth 1 Average global temperature (AGT) has increased over the last few years.

Fact 1 Within error bounds, AGT has not increased since 1995 and has declined since 2002, despite an increase in atmospheric CO2 of 8% since 1995.

Myth 2 During the late 20th Century, AGT increased at a dangerously fast rate and reached an unprecedented magnitude.

Facts 2 The late 20th Century AGT rise was at a rate of 1-20 C/century, which lies well within natural rates of climate change for the last 10,000 yr. AGT has been several degrees warmer than today many times in the recent geological past.

Myth 3 AGT was relatively unchanging in pre-industrial times, has sky-rocketed since 1900, and will increase by several degrees more over the next 100 years (the Mann, Bradley & Hughes "hockey stick" curve and its computer extrapolation).

Facts 3 The Mann et al. curve has been exposed as a statistical contrivance. There is no convincing evidence that past climate was unchanging, nor that 20th century changes in AGT were unusual, nor that dangerous human warming is underway.

Myth 4 Computer models predict that AGT will increase by up to 60 C over the next 100 years.

Facts 4 Deterministic computer models do. Other equally valid (empirical) computer models predict cooling.

Myth 5 Warming of more than 20 C will have catastrophic effects on ecosystems and mankind alike.

Facts 5 A 20 C change would be well within previous natural bounds. Ecosystems have been adapting to such changes since time immemorial. The result is the process that we call evolution. Mankind can and does adapt to all climate extremes.

Myth 6 Further human addition of CO2 to the atmosphere will cause dangerous warming, and is generally harmful.

Facts 6 No human-caused warming can yet be detected that is distinct from natural system variation and noise. Any additional human-caused warming which occurs will probably amount to less than 10 C. Atmospheric CO2 is a beneficial fertilizer for plants, including especially cereal crops, and also aids efficient evapo-transpiration.

Myth 7 Changes in solar activity cannot explain recent changes in AGT.

Facts 7 The sun's output varies in several ways on many time scales (including the 11-, 22 and 80-year solar cycles), with concomitant effects on Earth's climate. While changes in visible radiation are small, changes in particle flux and magnetic field are known to exercise a strong climatic effect. More than 50% of the 0.80 C rise in AGT observed during the 20th century can be attributed to solar change.

Myth 8 Unprecedented melting of ice is taking place in both the north and south polar regions.

Facts 8 Both the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets are growing in thickness and cooling at their summit. Sea ice around Antarctica attained a record area in 2007. Temperatures in the Arctic region are just now achieving the levels of natural warmth experienced during the early 1940s, and the region was warmer still (sea-ice free) during earlier times.

Myth 9 Human-caused global warming is causing dangerous global sea-level (SL) rise.

Facts 9 SL change differs from time to time and place to place; between 1955 and 1996, for example, SL at Tuvalu fell by 105 mm (2.5 mm/yr). Global average SL is a statistical measure of no value for environmental planning purposes. A global average SL rise of 1-2 mm/yr occurred naturally over the last 150 years, and shows no sign of human-influenced increase.

Myth 10 The late 20th Century increase in AGT caused an increase in the number of severe storms (cyclones), or in storm intensity.

Facts 10 Meteorological experts are agreed that no increase in storms has occurred beyond that associated with natural variation of the climate system.


Robert M. Carter is a Research Professor at James Cook University (Queensland) and the University of Adelaide (South Australia). He is a palaeontologist, stratigrapher, marine geologist and environmental scientist with more than thirty years professional experience.

[Peter Lindemann]

Pacific Islands NOT Sinking

Hi Folks,

Here is a link to a BBC article that sites a new study that shows that Islands in the South Pacific, including Tuvalu, Kiribati, and Micronesia are neither sinking nor shrinking, and have been stable for the last 60 years! Some of the islands are actually growing.

BBC News - Low-lying Pacific islands 'growing not sinking'

Also, here is a link to the the article in the New Scientist magazine's on-line service that was sited as the source material for the BBC article:

Shape-shifting islands defy sea-level rise - environment - 02 June 2010 - New Scientist

Peter

[ashtweth]

Hi Peter /ALL

still no proof saying CO2 is the cause here
The warmest year yet, says NASA

[john_g]

NASA Charged in New Climate Fakery: Greenhouse Gas Data Bogus

From the Canadian free press:

By John O'Sullivan Tuesday, June 1, 2010
Shocking new evidence of a NASA scientist faking a fundamental greenhouse gas equation shames beleaguered space administration in new global warming fraud scandal..
More at:

NASA Charged in New Climate Fakery: Greenhouse Gas Data Bogus

[shawn]

It makes me think....if they get a legal precedent for carbon tax, then how long until we see an oxygen tax?

[Peter Lindemann]

Another Meeting in Bonn

Hi Folks,

Well, there is another UN sponsored Climate Conference meeting happening in Bonn, Germany, right now. The new incoming Head of the UN Climate Convention spoke at that meeting today or yesterday.

The BBC has run an article covering her comments.

BBC News - New UN climate chief calls for more ambition

Peter

[rickoff]

BP helped write the Kerry-Lieberman climate bill

This news was reported by Cybercast News Service (CNS). The Cybercast News Service was launched on June 16, 1998 as a news source for individuals, news organizations and broadcasters who put a higher premium on balance than spin and seek news that’s ignored or under-reported as a result of media bias by omission.

Congress is debating a compromise global warming bill — a watered-down version of earlier climate change bills — introduced in May by Kerry and Lieberman after the oil rig explosion in April. It would tax businesses for carbon emissions and raise the cost of fuel for American consumers, CNS News reports.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell charges that the energy company BP helped craft the cap-and-trade bill proposed by Democratic Sens. John Kerry and Joe Lieberman. “The problem for Democrats is that debating the Democrat cap-and-trade bill might not fit neatly into the White House messaging plan since it’s been widely reported that a major part, a major part of the Kerry-Lieberman bill was essentially written by BP,” the Kentucky Republican said on the Senate floor on Wednesday, referring to the company responsible for the massive and ongoing oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

“An administration that seems to spend most of its time coming up with new ways to show how angry it is at BP is pushing a proposal that BP actually helped write,” said McConnell. “I can’t understand it, and I don’t think the American people will understand why it makes sense to respond to the BP oil spill by imposing a gas-tax increase on the American people that was advocated by BP.”

[Peter Lindemann]

Climate panel chief welcomes climate debate

Hi Folks,

Here is the latest spin from the Head of the IPCC. Supposedly, he's now interested in "the development of a vigorous debate" on climate science.

BBC News - Climate panel chief welcomes climate debate

Enjoy,
Peter

[ashtweth]

Thanks for all these contributions guys. i wonder if the themes at the debate should be now who and what have financial ties (thats all it comes down to IMO) to the programs. AND TO FORBID THIS.
Senator John Kerry already endorses off shore drilling ($$$$$), you can be all the others like Gore have a big financial stake, cut out the profit capacity and you will get REAL climate science. I bet you all 10 beers i am right .

Ash