The Great Global Warming Swindle

[john_g]

Piers Corbyn Video -CO2 not the driver

Hi

Piers Corbyn runs weatheraction Welcome. He is an astrophysicist and his weather forecasting system is based about solar electromagnetic radiation. He certainly has a very accurate long range forecasting system and in the following video he speaks about some of the drivers for the weather related to the sun and moon cycles - worth a look IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R26PXRrgds

Regards

John

[cikljamas]

Rupert Sheldrake - The Science Delusion BANNED TED TALK must see

Dr. Rupert Sheldrake talks about his banned TED talk on Skeptiko with Alex Tsakiris 02/04/2013

[Peter Lindemann]

The Beat Goes On....

Hey Folks,

Here is another article from the BBC talking about a committee in the House of Commons endorsing the latest IPCC Report on the Causes of Climate Change. Everyone on the committee voted for endorsement EXCEPT the two members who had a Science Education!!

Here's an excerpt from the article. I have highlighted a few key points:

UNCERTAINTIES IGNORED

But two members of the committee, Peter Lilley (Conservative) and Graham Stringer (Labour), disagreed with the other nine.

They said the committee report was more like cheer leading than objective analysis.

They accused their fellow MPs of not holding the IPCC critically to account.

"As scientists by training, we do not dispute the science of the greenhouse effect - nor did any of our witnesses," they said in a statement.

"However, there remain great uncertainties about how much warming a given increase in greenhouse gases will cause, how much damage any temperature increase will cause and the best balance between adaptation to versus prevention of global warming."

The two MPs say that the underlying technical report of the IPCC acknowledges many uncertainties, but these have been omitted from the critical Summary for Policymakers, presented to politicians.

Among a number of issues they highlight the so-called "pause" in global warming since 1997.

"About one third of all the CO2 emitted by mankind since the industrial revolution has been put into the atmosphere since 1997; yet there has been no statistically significant increase in the mean global temperature since then.

"By definition, a period with record emissions but no warming cannot provide evidence that emissions are the dominant cause of warming!"

Here's a link to the full article: BBC News - MPs bicker over IPCC report on causes of climate change

Enjoy,
Peter

[Peter Lindemann]

Latest Warming "Pause" given New Explanation

Hey Folks,

Here is the latest explanation for the "Pause" in planetary warming since 1998. This theory suggests the lack of over-all warming may last another 10 years before the "underlying" warming process takes off with a vengeance.

BBC News - Global warming slowdown 'could last another decade'

Best regards,
Peter

[Peter Lindemann]

New Report, CO2 Continues to Rise, but not Temperatures

Hey folks,

Here is another article from the BBC titled Greenhouse Gas levels Rising at Fastest Rate Since 1984. The complete disconnect between CO2 levels and the average Global Temperature seems well established at this point, but the people pushing the political agenda for carbon taxes and binding limits on carbon emissions march on, no matter what.

BBC News - Greenhouse gas levels rising at fastest rate since 1984

Enjoy,
Peter

[TheoriaApophasis]

Hey folks,
Peter

Global warming is a titanic scam drive by politics. I cant believe (or can I) you fell for it.

[Cornboy 555]

It really is Laughable to anyone who has been here any length of time.

You can always remember when it was Hotter or Colder.

Please every body, let's just focus on the here and now, not the inducted drivel of who tries ( very successfully so far ) to control us in General.

Warm Regards Everybody Cornboy.

[Danny B]

Global whatever

“Leading British climate scientist Mike Lockwood, of Reading University, found 24 occasions in the past 10,000 years when the sun was declining as it is now, but could find none where the decline was as fast.” So cold its getting that British scientists are stranded in a freezing Antarctic research station when power failed as temperatures hit a record low of minus 55C. Winter is so hostile that the researchers, 11 British, cannot be rescued."
Eating Good and Keeping Warm in the Next Ice Age

Pretty funny. I started writing about this 6 years ago;
https://eplaya.burningman.com/viewtopic.php?t=26584

[Allcanadian]

The most important point may be the one not considered. Half the population thinks it's getting warmer and half thinks it's getting colder. All intelligent people with proof confirming their point of view...so who is right and who is wrong?.

In my mind this confirms my view that science was never an exact science, It is opinions and nothing more because obviously everyone cannot be right. You know I have to wonder how two groups can get completely different answers using the same science...it boggles the mind. It would seem to invalidate the concept of science in itself which is what everyone is basing their decisions on.

It must be true because it is science,...no apparently not, lol.

AC

[TheoriaApophasis]

The most important point may be the one not considered. Half the population thinks it's getting warmer and half thinks it's getting colder.

what people THINK is worthless


however your statement is WHOLLY UNTRUE


Global warming bullocks is PURE politically based horse poo

[Allcanadian]

@TA

what people THINK is worthless

If what people think is worthless then why would you think I would believe anything you have to say?. You see in my eyes you would be one of those people as well...funny how that works.

however your statement is WHOLLY UNTRUE
Global warming bullocks is PURE politically based horse poo

This may be true or not however unless you have seen all the relevant data then your opinion counts about as much as any other person I might meet on the street. The truth is that we have facts that are for and against global warming thus all is open to interpretation which is nothing more than opinion...no more no less.

So I think it is wonderful that you may think you know everything about everything however I'm not buying it. I have always been one of those annoying logical scientific people who reserves judjement until I have all the facts. It works for me.

AC

[Allcanadian]

One thing I do know as a fact is that the watersheds become more polluted every year... I have seen it. The cities become more congested and more polluted and there is a yellow haze over them when the wind is low...I have seen it. In fact nothing I have seen anywhere in reality would indicate to me that anything is improving in any way. Yet there is this general delusion that we have done nothing wrong and that we can do no wrong.

Me I'm a professional, an Engineer who hopes for the best but plans for the worst. I err on the side of caution and am not so ignorant as to believe everything I do does not have real consequences in the real world. You know that cause and effect thingy and the fact remains that regardless of global warming or not reducing pollution is a good thing.
So I think people need to stop making excuses for their own stupidity and fear of change and do the right thing for our future generations.

The irrefutable fact is that consumption of all natural resources is increasing rapidly and this causes more and more pollution which is harmful to us and the environment...what part of this do people not understand?.

Let's try applying a little intelligent thought to our situation for a change of pace. I have read that some people with walls covered in Phd's and high IQ's have suggested we really don't need to change our pattern of behavior at all. We will just carry on with business as usual and we will adapt to the changes which we know will occur in the future because this is the way nature works.

Hmm now wait a minute that is how nature works but the result is not quite what we expect. You see in nature when a population breeds out of control consuming all the narural resources it generally ends in near extinction of the population. Yes when rats and locusts breed like rabbits and consume everything in sight their own stupidity generally results in their own demise... ie darwinism. At which point one has to wonder, if we are really as intelligent as we claim then why are we operating under the same premise as the common rat?. So yes we can claim to be anything we want and make as many excuses as we need to feel good about our own stupidity but our action today will determine our fate in the future.

AC

[TheoriaApophasis]

Its all politics honey

[Allcanadian]

@Peter Lindemann

Here is another article from the BBC titled Greenhouse Gas levels Rising at Fastest Rate Since 1984. The complete disconnect between CO2 levels and the average Global Temperature seems well established at this point, but the people pushing the political agenda for carbon taxes and binding limits on carbon emissions march on, no matter what.

BBC News - Greenhouse gas levels rising at fastest rate since 1984

I'm not sure what your point is here because in the article they seem to be stating that the atmospheric temperatures have stabilized but ocean temperatures and acidification are now rising. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but this is by no means good news and in my view an indication that it may be worse that we imagined. Now what do you think is going to happen when the oceans have absorbed all the heat they possibly can and are highly acidified?.

The fact that the experts are very concerned and do not fully understand what is happening and why is bad news and it does not support any theory concerning of a lack of global warming in the long term. It means the conditions have changed for reasons we do not understand and ocean temperature rise and acidification is no less serious a matter than ambient temperatures in my opinion.

It's all bad


AC

[Michael John Nunnerley]

One thing I do know as a fact is that the watersheds become more polluted every year... I have seen it. The cities become more congested and more polluted and there is a yellow haze over them when the wind is low...I have seen it. In fact nothing I have seen anywhere in reality would indicate to me that anything is improving in any way. Yet there is this general delusion that we have done nothing wrong and that we can do no wrong.

Me I'm a professional, an Engineer who hopes for the best but plans for the worst. I err on the side of caution and am not so ignorant as to believe everything I do does not have real consequences in the real world. You know that cause and effect thingy and the fact remains that regardless of global warming or not reducing pollution is a good thing.
So I think people need to stop making excuses for their own stupidity and fear of change and do the right thing for our future generations.

The irrefutable fact is that consumption of all natural resources is increasing rapidly and this causes more and more pollution which is harmful to us and the environment...what part of this do people not understand?.

Let's try applying a little intelligent thought to our situation for a change of pace. I have read that some people with walls covered in Phd's and high IQ's have suggested we really don't need to change our pattern of behavior at all. We will just carry on with business as usual and we will adapt to the changes which we know will occur in the future because this is the way nature works.

Hmm now wait a minute that is how nature works but the result is not quite what we expect. You see in nature when a population breeds out of control consuming all the narural resources it generally ends in near extinction of the population. Yes when rats and locusts breed like rabbits and consume everything in sight their own stupidity generally results in their own demise... ie darwinism. At which point one has to wonder, if we are really as intelligent as we claim then why are we operating under the same premise as the common rat?. So yes we can claim to be anything we want and make as many excuses as we need to feel good about our own stupidity but our action today will determine our fate in the future.

AC

Very well said AC

I think people need to look themselves at any climate change and not read what BS is put out by both sides.

You only have to look out your own window where ever you are and think about any change that you personally have seen, be it hot, cold, rain or shine, I am sure you will have noticed a difference one way or other.

Around the world different areas have different changes, here we have had no rain in over a year, the pine forests are dying fast or go up in flames, the sea temperature has risen 3-5c and causing huge jelly fish populations normally not seen here. Our water table has droped to the point that the pumps can no longer pump water at there normal depth of 40mtrs.

In other parts of Spain they have had flooding from the huge storms, but still have had less water per year, just had a lot at once.

The extreams are getting more extream, why? that's the 100$ question. Lets not argue, lets do something about it or we all suffer and the first place to start is polution, clean energy for a clean world. The craving to make more and more money is killing us all, China is the biggest example of this, make more at whatever the cost to the environment.

Money is the biggest and most powerful drug there is, the more you have the more you want. Money makes the world go around, it is possibly the thing that will stop the world going around in the end.

regards

Mike