The Great Global Warming Swindle

[TheoriaApophasis]

The extremes are getting more extream

No they are not. Not one bit.



More media coverage than in the 1940s etc etc.


more extreme? Absurd, .....nope.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

@ TA

find the same two shots from space in the IR range and I think you will have a different picture

regards

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

No they are not. Not one bit.



More media coverage than in the 1940s etc etc.


more extreme? Absurd, .....nope.

Not media, local change which you can see for yourself first hand

regards

Mike

[Allcanadian]

@Mike

Around the world different areas have different changes, here we have had no rain in over a year, the pine forests are dying fast or go up in flames, the sea temperature has risen 3-5c and causing huge jelly fish populations normally not seen here. Our water table has droped to the point that the pumps can no longer pump water at there normal depth of 40mtrs.

I would agree and in the last month we recieved 9 inches of rain as measured in my rain guage. Ten years ago this may have been near the annual rainfall here and the golden praires have been green for most all of the summer. The spring was also exceptionally long and cool extending right into the summer if we could even call it a summer. Yesterday it was -2C here overnight and Calgary recieved a load of snow leaving some 30,000 without power in early September which is extraordinary.

However I knew all of this may be a possibility over 10 years ago when I read the scientists predicted that the central U.S. would see record high's and extended drought and the prairie regions of central Canada would become cooler with increased precipitation. So I would agree we are seeing some extreme changes in the weather patterns. I also recently read that the extreme drought in the central U.S. is now predicted to last a decade or more. So I think the predictions have been reasonably accurate to date from what I have seen.

If you ever have big water problems pm me, I designed a very cheap windmill which condenses water from the air. The hollow spinning blades pull a vacuum in the tower which sucks in air through venturies at the tower base. The air expanding through the venturies cools the tower condensing water on the exterior surface of the tower which then runs down to a reservoir. Very simple and cheap and no CFC's just air, a little trick I learned from Victor Schauberger .

AC

[Aaron]

our interglacial period is ending

Aside from all the global warming turned "climate change" propaganda, one thing that is an indisputable fact is that we have major ice ages with small ice ages in between.

When the world is in a cold period, it is just common sense that it will then warm up later and the ice IS SUPPOSED to melt before we move into another cold period.

How people choose to perceive this time in history where we are at the end of an interglacial period and are moving towards a small ice age is up to them, but no amount of data, propaganda or opinions for or against AGW has any bearing on the fact that we have been in a warm period and are moving towards a cold period.

Right now, we are technically in an ice age right now that started 3 million years ago and during this time, there have been warm and cold periods within this ice age - the glacial and interglacial cycles.

We're obviously in an interglacial cycle right now and during this time, ice IS SUPPOSED to melt. Between this interglacial cycle and the last 4, 3 were much warmer than it is right now and there was no man made pollution - only 1 other was as cool as it is now or cooler.





There is no significant warming and it is cooler than it has been in most other interglacial cycles in the last 450,000 years. These are averages from ice sheet areas and not global averages but for the timespans involved and seeing that the ice samples are a good indicator of what the world is doing, these averages closely resemble what the whole world is doing.

The last mini-ice age or glacial cycle ended about 11,000 years ago, right around when the Great Missoula Ice Dam broke here in the Inland Northwest US - caused flooding for a couple days that equaled 60 times the flow of the Amazon or 10 times all the rivers on the planet combined moving from the Missoula, Montana general area west towards the Pacific Ocean. That's why we have some of the most fertile soil on the planet.

Since then, the glaciers have been receding without mankind's contribution just fine. In Glacier National Park, Montana, we can see some small glaciers on the mountaintops and they're melting JUST AS THEY SHOULD!

Then at some point, the world starts getting colder and the glaciers will start to build up again over time. This is just the natural cycle of the world and we can't do anything about it.

If you visit Glacier National Park, go up to Logan's pass, astoundingly majestic and beautiful. Is said to rival the Swiss Alps by many who have been to both.

Anyway, looking at the big picture, there is nothing out of the ordinary happening in terms of temperatures.

With storms, droughts, etc... the sun is the single most important influential factor than anything else and with our magnetic field weakening, the magnetosphere is less of a buffer from the solar output that can stir it up here but we don't have anything to do with that either.

Obviously my opinion but it is irrelevant whether it is going to get hot or cold because no matter what, I want clean water and clean air and that is something we can control. If the brainwashed liberals and brainwashed conservatives living under the illusion of choice would just focus on one common factually provable item that we need to reduce our pollution and forget about the man made climate change propaganda for or against, then we will be doing something that we can actually have an impact on - the temperature is out of our hands.

Again - look at this climate change... Been going on quite a bit before the first internal combustion engine was ever developed!



Taken from an article by the Utah Geological Survey: Ice Ages – What are they and what causes them? - Utah Geological Survey

And nobody is mentioning weather modification by military and governments as an instrument of war which many governments have already admitted are being used for quite some time now.

[Allcanadian]

@Aaron

Obviously my opinion but it is irrelevant whether it is going to get hot or cold because no matter what, I want clean water and clean air and that is something we can control. If the brainwashed liberals and brainwashed conservatives living under the illusion of choice would just focus on one common factually provable item that we need to reduce our pollution and forget about the man made climate change propaganda for or against, then we will be doing something that we can actually have an impact on - the temperature is out of our hands.

I mean no offense to anyone else but this may be the most sensible thing I have read in this whole thread.

AC

[TheoriaApophasis]

@Aaron
I mean no offense to anyone else but this may be the most sensible thing I have read in this whole thread.
AC

I have an easier option.


anyone WILLING, can go the rest of their life TAX FREE on everything if they agree to sterilization starting at the age of 20 or so.


in 80 years, youd reduce world population immensely and reduce etc etc etc.




(that was humor)

[Allcanadian]

@TA

anyone WILLING, can go the rest of their life TAX FREE on everything if they agree to sterilization starting at the age of 20 or so.

I had to think on that one for a second and I'm still thinking...it is a complex problem.

I was also thinking about that last post and the human condition. How we seldom address our real problems ie.. we do not cure disease we use drugs to treat the symptoms. We do not make all cars more efficient we add catalytic converters to reduce certain emissions. In fact the majority of cars on the road get near identical mileage to the ones 20 years ago they just look pretty, shiny beads for the natives.

It would seem to me we lack the intelligence and motivation to solve any of the real problems we have created and would rather deny they exist or hide them away and pretend they do not exist. It is very strange behavior for people who claim to be responsible adults, very strange indeed.

As I read through this thread my experience in psychology told me these people may be in denial and they must deny climate change is man made at all costs otherwise they would have to claim some personal responsibility for it. Just as most people who go to court claim they are innocent. Obviously everyone cannot be innocent thus logically speaking most must be liar's. Now if they really are responsible adults as they claim then why would people be claiming they are innocent when they know as a fact they are not?. I would submit the burden of proof shows they are not responsible adults.They may be adults but there is no true responsibility or accountability in them.

You see it is those little white lies that show our true character, our nature, it is the herd mentality which believe's that if someone else is doing it then it must be acceptable. So they will all do it even though they know it is inherently unacceptable because every person is seldom if ever held accountable for the group action. ie... it was not me it was them.

As such I find the dynamics of this thread fascinating from a psychological point of view. It seems Everyone has their hand in the cookie jar but most are saying... it was not me.


AC

[TheoriaApophasis]

@TA

It would seem to me we lack the intelligence and motivation to solve any of the real problems

AC

Its useless and pathetic to even TRY or WANT to try

the superior survive, and the inferior die out.


Its natures way, its "cruel" (no its not) and its the way it is.



chance favors the prepared and superior mind.


Intelligent critters always thinking 10 steps ahead ALWAYS win out ultimately.


Idiots who cannot see past their nose, they PERISH.


Its nature, people need to deal with it.

[Allcanadian]

@TA

the superior survive, and the inferior die out.

In the animal kingdom perhaps, that is if you are an animal or think like one. However we as intelligent beings do not fall under this set of rules so much. You see if you had paid attention in history class you would know the supposed superior race or civilization never lasts very long. This is because they were never smart enough to understand the one universal law...what goes around must come around.

So think whatever you may and revel in your feelings of superiority for now because at some point it's all going to catch up with you and that my friend is the way it is. It has been this way since the dawn of civilization and will continue to be this way in our future.

I just hope your intelligent enough to remember these words years from now so they may hold some relevance for you.
As you say it's nature deal with it, what goes around comes around.

AC

[TheoriaApophasis]

@TA
In the animal kingdom perhaps, that is if you are an animal or think like one. However we as intelligent beings do not fall under this set of rules so much.
AC

I see you suffer under the pathetic delusion that humans are "civilized"




Insert a catastrophe or breakdown in society, and Brad with his Rolex, and Harvard law degree will grab a sharp STICK like an APE and kill anyone that stands in his way if it comes down to food, shelter etc etc etc.

This is a simplex fact you obviously have yet to learn.

As you say it's nature deal with it, what goes around comes around.
AC

I dont labour under the pedestrian notions of Karmayana.
Agencyship is only for those who think they are agents (karmins) consubstantial to becoming (samsarin).


i.e. punnabhavati, or as meant samsarati (a transmigrant subject to empirical causation(s) )

What "goes around and comes around" is only applicable to those "STUCK" on the 'wheel of fate' or becoming (bhavanubhava, attabhava), to wit this is implied agnosis of true Self identity (as contrasted with the empirical self of becoming) .

[Allcanadian]

@TA

I see you suffer under the pathetic delusion that humans are "civilized"

As a matter of fact I do and the very large group of human's I call friends and family and all my neighbors are pretty awesome in my opinion. The question is do people come together in a crisis or break apart....we always come together because as I said we are the best of friends and family. I can pick up my phone and have 20 people on my doorstep in one hour, I know this because I have been on their doorstep waiting to help any way I can many times...what goes around comes around.
That's the way it works here in my little part of the world, I'm pretty lucky and very grateful to know such good people.

I dont labour under the pedestrian notions of Karmayana.
Agencyship is only for those who think they are agents (karmins) consubstantial to becoming (samsarin).

i.e. punnabhavati, or as meant samsarati (a transmigrant subject to empirical causation(s) )

What "goes around and comes around" is only applicable to those "STUCK" on the 'wheel of fate' or becoming (bhavanubhava, attabhava), to wit this is implied agnosis of true Self identity (as contrasted with the empirical self of becoming) .

Maybe a better example of -- what goes around comes around -- is in order.

If anyone is stupid enough to poop in their own backyard and their neighbor's then at some point they can expect the stink to become unbearable and they will be evicted...what goes around comes around...cause and effect.

Now think of the Earth as our backyard and we seem to be doing our best to destroy every ecosystem on it. Then when the weather changes they say...we didn't do that, when all the water becomes polluted they say...we didn't do that, when all the fish disappear they say...we didn't do that. Well no we did do it to ourselves, we let it happen and it's all going to come around eventually and we will pay the price for our own stupidity.

As I said in a prior post the psychology here is fascinating, that so many people could believe they can do whatever they want without consequence. Then when the effects of our actions do appear they automatically go into denial, it was not me it was something else....right. Sorry people denial is not a solution to anything and I think it's all going to come full circle at some point.

On another note it would seem to me the scientists are doing their best to find out why climate change is happening however the general population seems to be doing their best to prove they had no part in it which is priceless in my opinion.

AC

[TheoriaApophasis]

@TA

As a matter of fact I do and the very large group of human's I call friends and family and all my neighbors are pretty awesome in my opinion. The question is do people come together in a crisis or break apart....we always come together because as I said we are the best of friends and family. I can pick up my phone and have 20 people on my doorstep in one hour.

AC

1. you assume your phone would WORK (LOL)

2. Youve taken the SPECIFIC (your buds) and falsely applied it to the GENERAL, ......a hyperbolic error to be sure.

Of course "mom and daughter" are going to be the VERY LAST to "eat each other" as an extreme example.

3. "we always come together "........once again, this is both an assumption of what is not ACTUAL, only potential IN THEORY.

Likewise again you have applied the SPECIFIC to the GENERAL.

If anyone is stupid enough to poop in their own backyard and their neighbor's then at some point they can expect the stink to become unbearable and they will be evicted...what goes around comes around...cause and effect.

AC

That sword you see laying in the showroom window is either:

1. Cheap-ass CHINESE CRAHP that will break when cutting an ORANGE in half..... or.....

2. A $100,000 folded steel master class sword capable of cutting 4 people in half with one swipe.


3. your "UNTESTED BLADE" theory is a potential hypothetical, and ONLY THAT.

As I said in a prior post the psychology here is fascinating, that so many people could believe they can do whatever they want without consequence.
AC

Consequences are ONLY applicable to PHENOMENA, not the mind.

Reductionistically classing ANY and ALL actions by quantification rather than QUALIFICATION is an insane fallacy you just committed


Namely, for example

1. An insane murderer killing some innocent schmuck out of insane blood lust etc etc.

2. A loving mother killing some rapist attacker lunatic about to harm her and her daughter etc etc.

The QUANTITY is the same, the quality is wholly different.


Reductionistic agendas and specious premises only work on weak minds.

Actions have only QUANTITY, not QUALITY, ....ergo the "goes around comes around" nonsense is puerile twaddle and nonsense.

The Self is not an agent , only the self, ..identification phenomenology is something you need more research into obviously.

On another note it would seem to me the scientists are doing their best to find out why climate change is happening however the general population seems to be doing their best to prove they had no part in it which is priceless in my opinion.
AC

Humans are animals, the weak will perish, the strong will survive.

Chance favors the prepared mind. This is natures way. Its both natural and cannot be stopped.



Logic and reason tells us that given a mega disaster, the idiot with a stick wearing a loin cloth WONT make it.

and the Swiss and Swedish and Norwegians that have been building bunkers for the past 60 years, for nearly every human stocked with seeds, supplies etc etc etc etc ..
they will make it.

Build a station in space or on the moon, advance, adapt, progress in knowledge and wisdom.


Those who prepare for contingencies have FOREsight, definitionally wisdom.

Those who dont, merely have sight.....and, well. .....dont.

[Allcanadian]

@TA
Damn you are one crazy Vuncan and the only words which come to mind are...live long and prosper brother...live long and prosper.
My work here is done.

AC

[TheoriaApophasis]

@TA
Damn you are one crazy Vuncan and the only words which come to mind are...live long and prosper brother...live long and prosper.
My work here is done.

AC

I see you have a sense of humor.


This is a good sign.

Live long and yadda yadda