The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Peter Lindemann]

New Link

well, the video is no loger available, can you give me another link or something for this. i would like to see and give my comments on it

Dear elmejor,

The link at the beginning of the thread works fine. I changed it from the original link a week ago.

Peter

[elmejor]

Dear elmejor,

The link at the beginning of the thread works fine. I changed it from the original link a week ago.

Peter

pete..my sincere apologies! i had missed it...

[ashtweth]

Jib, there are 3 NASA employee's who testify to NASA covering up evidence (disclosure project), also martin stubs showed that after recording the NASA com link, that they are certainly not showing the public the whole story. There are many more examples which include EVIDENCE from creditable WITNESSES INCLUDING astronauts.

Regarding the new evidence posted in the thread, i wonder what is the motivation for the global warming propaganda, i mean there are carbon credits, (tax that the government can make from carbon tax) the fact that gore stands to gain from the "clean" coal technology is also suspect.

Are these the only motives to gain financially?, the direction of the thread i am sure peter would agree should not talk about speculation but REAL scientific climate science, i was wondering tho, what people think the reason is for the propaganda and who stands to gain.

Ash

[bugler]

Nasa is a ver suspicious organization receiving billions of $ each year and not much to show for.

The images from "Mars" (maybe an Australian desert?) showed a cut piece of wood. The image is in nasa's website. I can't find now the photo on the nasa website but I have seen it with my own eyes and the image is this: http://www.stomverbaasd.com/wp-conte...moontworg4.jpg

[dmonarch]

Thats some funny stuff. It really does look like a weathered fence post.

Nasa is a ver suspicious organization receiving billions of $ each year and not much to show for.

The images from "Mars" (maybe an Australian desert?) showed a cut piece of wood. The image is in nasa's website. I can't find now the photo on the nasa website but I have seen it with my own eyes and the image is this: http://www.stomverbaasd.com/wp-conte...moontworg4.jpg

[Peter Lindemann]

Enough, Already!

Nasa is a ver suspicious organization receiving billions of $ each year and not much to show for.

The images from "Mars" (maybe an Australian desert?) showed a cut piece of wood. The image is in nasa's website. I can't find now the photo on the nasa website but I have seen it with my own eyes and the image is this: http://www.stomverbaasd.com/wp-conte...moontworg4.jpg

Bugler and Dmonarch,

This thread is for information on Climate Science and the pros and cons of Global Warming.

If you want to post "off-topic" stuff, you have already been warned to post it in a different forum. If you think NASA is suspect as an accurate source of information, START A THREAD on that topic. If you think the Mars Missions are fake, START A THREAD on that topic. You are not welcome to post these things in this thread. They are totally "off-topic" and function as a disturbance to anyone wishing to focus on the Climate Change/Global Warming information.

Anymore disruption of this thread by you will be referred to the moderators for action.

This is your final warning.

Peter

[theremart]

I saw this Ted talk today...

I was amazed someone else had the never to speak a different view about global warming, a bit long, but very very good science

YouTube - Kary Mullis: Celebrating the scientific experiment

[dmonarch]

Global Warming due to Gravity

Check out the book givin in this thread. It would seem what we are experiencing weather wise is due to gravity. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...yon-field.html

[Peter Lindemann]

Nothing Wrong with your Furnace

Group,

Let me be the first to claim.

My 4year old 98% efficient natural gas furnace.
Could not keep up with -19.7f here last night no wind.
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If the global warming gets any worse here, we will be forced to install a much larger FURNACE to keep warm!

Dave

Dave,

Yes, this winter, Global Warming does seem to be running backwards, but there's nothing wrong with your furnace, Dave. What you need to do is install more INSULATION in your walls and ceiling. You're just loosing the heat you are making too quickly. I recommend a minimum of R-80 insulation. Its a one-time cost, after which, you'll see that your furnace is just fine. This insulation up-grade will also make your home easier to cool in the summer, just in case Global Warming resumes later.

Peter

[vzon17]

Global Cooling is Here
Evidence for Predicting Global Cooling for the Next Three Decades

by Prof. Don J. Easterbrook

....records of past climate changes suggest an altogether different scenario for the 21st century. Rather than drastic global warming at a rate of 0.5 ° C (1° F) per decade, historic records of past natural cycles suggest global cooling for the first several decades of the 21st century to about 2030, followed by global warming from about 2030 to about 2060, and renewed global cooling from 2060 to 2090 (Easterbrook, D.J., 2005, 2006a, b, 2007, 2008a, b); Easterbrook and Kovanen, 2000, 2001). Climatic fluctuations over the past several hundred years suggest ~30 year climatic cycles of global warming and cooling, on a general rising trend from the Little Ice Age...

Global Cooling is Here

[azxten]

I saw this film awhile ago and I'm still not completely convinced either way. One of the more interesting aspects of global warming to me has always been that the human impact on our atmosphere might actually be cooling our planet as a result of global dimming and efforts to reduce this impact may actually cause global warming to be more intense if it is indeed caused by the sun.

[dave_cahoon]

Peter, Group,

Second Freak Cold Night in a row this time its -21.4 and holding...
I was on top of it and burned no gas and 1/3 the wood of lastnights
rude awakening with the house 8f below normal and having to
catchup and overcome the bitter with wood..

Looking back at the data at -13f the 78kbtu furnace fails on 2970sqf house.

Its not really a big deal unless it continues..

Dave

[sucahyo]

Interesting topic here.

No commment about the debate, but I feel that my city getting more cooler than the first time I live here. My opinion is because my city become less air polluted because many people converted their motorcycle with 4 stroke one, where 2 stroke is more common just few years back. Local warming can be fixed by better environment care.

Wether there is global warming or not, we still have to reduce our pollution. But sometimes a solution that look good on paper will result in bad solution. There are many suggestion to avoid to use fossil fuel and starting to use bio fuel. This become a bad situation when many forest are being burn for this plan, many Kalimantan and Sumatera forest are being burn for palm tree farm. So many that people who live in northern part of the forest have to live with smoke pollution for some weeks, reaching as far as Malaysia, and student is forced to stay at home because visibility limited to less than 50 meter........


I think energy crisis is more important to be taking care of instead of global warming. When the "only" option for country leader is fossil fuel and nuclear, the careless one will choose nuclear, and the poor one will choose coal. I think no option give us better environment.

Since "cold fusion" or alpha nuclear is still isn't believed, nuclear that currently in use transfer the pollution to our children, god bless them. Coal will turn the city to a very bad city to live, god bless all who live in that area.

Even if we know that what we/they do now is bad, stopping it require effort and a will. Like smoking for instance, everyone know that it is bad for smoker and worst for anyone around, but can you count how many time you succeed to stop it?

[dave_cahoon]

Terraformed?

The claim is we HUMANS have terraformed our planet. In total Ignorance, and to our ultimate demise,, UNLESS we do something.

Now that's real spooky, but! Is it true, or is it mother natures cycle?

Something monies can buy us out of?

Our Star is a variable star and its changed, we must deal with it, not steal because of it.

Maybe some people have chosen to move south or north because of the spooky claims, some are going to be correct in the long run. Strong emotion regarding things of this nature. If the media has been instructed to lie to the people knowingly, shame on them...

[rickoff]

did someone say "warming?"

Today I'm yearning for a little Global Warming. It was 20F degrees below zero here at 5AM today with a wind chill factor of 40 below zero, and never went more than 10F degrees above zero all day. This month has been bitter cold from the start. Normally at this time of year we get a break that is referred to as the "January Thaw." No sign of it yet....

My observation, over the years, is that things appear to balance out temperature-wise, and that if we get a bitter cold winter then summer will probably bring several days that are warmer than usual, or the following winter will be comparatively mild. Also, if the winter starts out somewhat mild then more severe weather and temperatures are usually encountered at the mid point, and visa versa. "In like a lion - out like a lamb," is a saying oft heard here in referring to winter.

In any case, this is the kind of weather that makes it difficult and dangerous to do much of anything outdoors, and thus leads to what people in Maine refer to as "cabin fever." After going through several weeks of that, you really appreciate the warmer spring weather that ushers in the change of seasons.

Rick