The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Joit]

Unbelievable, after this Pictures left Side Co2 will cause stronger growth
and they wanna cut it down.
Carbon Dioxide and global warming facts

[jibbguy]

Dung makes plants grow better too... Should we stop using sewers?

There are places in Asia and Central and South America i have seen where they mainly don't (the poor classes anyway)... And i don't recommend it lol.

There is a comment in that article:

"Scientists say plants are not getting enough CO2" ...?

Lol what an arrogant and absurd statement. Plants evolved in this environment. They are NOT being "choked" by not enough CO2 ; that is a ridiculous statement designed to help make CO2... AND POLLUTION IN GENERAL, sound "good" lol. I wonder who likes THAT idea??

Do they know if increased levels of CO2 will increase the "entrophy" related to cell degeneration and genetic mutations? No they don't. There are thousands of factors in ecological balance. Highlighting ONE and building major suppositions around it is dangerous.

Also, let's dissect the "Climate Gate" again: Someone please show me: "Where's the Beef" (please see my previous post & link first). It is HYPE. And it serves WHO?

[Joit]

It would not serve too, to build severs at the Desert, where noone lives.
I mean, you need for most things the right Dose and the right Place.

they are talking about Co2, not Pollutions, what plants do need.
With a overdose you will kill the Plants too, thats sure also.

But at the other Hand, when you get lesser co2, it will probatly cause in weaker growth, and same for your Constitution.

The Pollutions, no they are not nice, but figure, how much Effort it would take, to use Filters for it,
and what they try to get Money for this Event there now.
There is no Relation to it.
When someone report, that you cant look 1 miles in Hongkong, that is for sure bad,
but it cant be that hard, to change that.
It are the Politcans what dont listen, to change her own Countrys.

Someone can tell me, why this is so, because most Peoples do agree with
keep the Enviroment more Green, but it is not in her Hands without Demonstrations and buttkicking the Politic.

I just remember 2004, as the first Joe cell came out, and all cars did get a new Electric.
That was one Step, what the Industrie did successful repel.

That whole thing is a weird Mix from well meaning Peoples, Science, Non-Scientists, Media, national and Global Interests.

But seems the Weight is at the Interest from the Global Peoples,
to get Money from it, there are few more Links about this allready,
see Club of Rome.
Right now what i can see is it only the command and control Intention,
to steer Interests and developing at every Part and every Point.
They can decide then, what falls and what stays, like Money Politicans Countrys Opinions Technologies

Btw

(please see my previous post & link first)

Wich one? lol.

[Aaron]

co2 and plants

Unbelievable, after this Pictures left Side Co2 will cause stronger growth
and they wanna cut it down.
Carbon Dioxide and global warming facts

Yep, co2 absolutely makes plants thrive and they need as much as possible.
It is common for indoor growers with sophisticated growing operations
using hydroponics or soil methods to have big tanks of co2 that spew co2
throughout the area to simply increase growth.

Of course I'd rather the co2 be from sources other than polluted chimney
smoke, but the point is, co2 isn't causing global warming and for healthy
food production, there needs to be a good supply of it.

[rickoff]

The COP15 logo is very strange seems Carbon atom?.... It's more like the Black Sun.

Hmmm it looks to me like a ball of twisted lies and deceit.

[jibbguy]

This one, Joit (lol didnt realize it was 3 pages back by now)

Those glaciers were not cherry picked for their retreat; they were done so for aesthetic reasons, accessibility, and visual impact. PLEASE show us ONE glacier, possibly outside of the Himalayas which yet needs to be proved lol), that is not retreating. Just ONE out of thousands?

The glaciers are retreating, and thousands of square miles of permafrost tundra are thawing in North America, South America, and Siberia (usually considered part of "Asia"). To deny this is just silly. It is EMPIRICAL evidence that has nothing to do with "spin". THAT IS WHY i so love pointing it out lol.. As those who would deny EVERYTHING regarding climate change try to make us forget these facts.

The world is not "black and white" folks. It comes in 256 shades of gray. Factions on BOTH sides of this debate are deliberately pushing disnfo and politicizing this; trying their damnest to make it just another dividing & polarizing issue.... Because as long as we are divided among ourselves, they have nothing to fear.

This is all a PLANNED way to keep us continually arguing about the science, so NOTHING at all of importance is done (...perhaps with the exception of the use of chemtrails to increase albedo). This way, we can go on using oil and coal for another hundred years, lol.

Here is something for those who were caught up in the recent email scandal:

YouTube - 6. Climate Change -- Those hacked e-mails

[Aaron]

copenhagen

Highlighting ONE and building major suppositions around it is dangerous.

Jibbguy,

This is exactly what the co2/global warming concept is. Major suppositions
around one single item - and yes, it is dangerous- but this is what most
co2/climate change believers are doing... basing everything on isolating
one single variable out of a vast complex network of interconnected
variables. It is completely absurd and is a scientific fraud perpetrated by
nothing but prime #1 examples of scientific QUACKS.

The scientists with data that shows the sun's connection to warming
isn't the only thing. They even admit that co2 contributes a small amount
of warming, the ocean's co2 contribution, etc... they are being way more
objective. The co2 pushers are very dogmatic, subjective and are not open
to discussion.

There is no consensus in the scientific community- not even remotely
close.

You can even
read the opinions of scientists that actually were on the panel of the ipcc
stating that co2 is NOT the cause. The un simply sticks with the agenda
of pushing the desired agenda.... anything that it takes to lead to
global governance. This will increasingly become a catchphrase that many
people will undoubtedly become brainwashed into believing is a good
idea and is in their own best interest.... well so did the followers of hitler.

Many of them have not been secret at all that copenhagen is a necessary
step to global governance because this is the ultimate agenda and has
nothing to do with saving the planet from an environmental catastrophe.
Just listen to Rockefeller, Rothschild, Rompuy- pres of eu, etc... global
governance- they're not secret about it and they spell it out word for
word... "global governance."

Don't you think that to have any kind of scientific integrity at all without
gestapo tactics would be to have an international review of ALL data
in an open forum and in this country, reviewed in front of congress so
BOTH sides can be heard? Whether or not you can appreciate the other
point of view, don't you feel there is an ethical responsibility to
have both sides heard equally by the people since there is legitimate
data that does counter the co2 idea?

I do, I believe is the right
thing to do. It is honest and has integrity. The media has absolutely been
unfair and biased towards the
co2 idea as evidenced by the fact they refused to air anything about
climate gate when it was released. People are entitled to their opinions
about what it means, but it is absolute common sense that it absolutely
warrants an open investigation into WHAT IT DOES MEAN. For the
global warming pushers to brush it all aside as being meaningless banter
for skeptics is completely pathetic and lacks any dignity at all.

That is nothing but a Bush mentality of "you're for us or you're against
us" and there will be no discussion of the facts. This is exactly the mentality
of what the co2 pushers have demonstrated- especially the media and
the whitehouse in this country.

Even if co2 did cause global warming, would you actually personally support
a copenhagen treaty that absolutely would subordinate the constitution?
Willingly give up liberties in exchange for becoming more "secure"? Or, would
you rather have laws passed here at home that do not risk our freedoms,
which absolutely can be done without a shadow of a doubt. I don't doubt
there will be opposition as there is to everything by someone but it can
be done without treason against this country.

[Aaron]

!!! Climategate Part 2?

So Obama did not sell America out this time even though they committed
billions of our tax payer money to the scam.

PLEASE PASS THIS AROUND! The America mainstream media are already putting the blinders on about this one!

The Russians are now showing that the climate data has been "cherry picked" to show global warming by man. If this is true, the agw idea is
even more flawed than the current evidence suggests. Please check
these out and spread the word. This entire scam is a crime against
humanity and the politicians and "scientists" involved should be tried
in court.

Investors.com - To Denmark, From Russia, With Lies

YouTube - Another 'Climategate'? Russian data 'cherry picked by CRU' to fit theory

Russia Confirms Climategate Scandal

"The IEA says CRU researchers used data from only 25 percent of Russian meteorological stations, and those stations happened to be the ones with the warmest temperature readings. Temperatures reported by the remaining 75 percent showed no substantial warming during the last several decades. The press release reported, "The IEA believes that Russian meteorological-station data did not substantiate the anthropogenic (man-made) global warming theory." The Russian institute claimed CRU scientists tended to choose records from stations providing sporadic readings rather than those supplying uninterrupted observations. Their preference also tended toward stations in metropolitan areas where the urban heat effect influences warmer temperatures.

More than 40 percent of Russian territory was excluded in resulting Hadley Center calculations. Since Russia accounts for 12.5 percent of the world’s land mass, the IEA warns it is necessary "to recalculate all global-temperature data in order to assess the scale of such exaggeration." IEA founder Andrei Illarionov told Investor's Business Daily, "Based on this analysis it looks like the... increase in warming [has] been artificially increased by 0.64 degrees Celsius." Illarionov published an English-version of the IEA report through the CATO Institute, of which he is a senior fellow."

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misc... there is nothing NEW about this religion, but...

Global Warming Not Science, but a 'New Religion' - Auburn Journal

FOXNews.com - Czech President Klaus: Global Warming Not Science, but a 'New Religion'

[rickoff]

A warming trend here

This global warming is getting me down. The heat is getting to be unbearable. Why, just yesterday the temperature here in Maine reached a peak of 5 degrees Farenheit. And a week ago we had 7 inches of snow overnight. Tonight the warming trend continues, at 10 degrees as I write. I could use a mop to wipe the sweat from my brow.

[Cloxxki]

I'm trying to find a place to go to next week, cross-country skiing. The convenient places don't have snow, but they do have -20 to -30C temperatures.
A more independant research in needed, using this december's data to end on.

Mother nature is helping us out by this clear hint.

[Aaron]

Climate scandal: new evidence of dubious research

More details of the same story on climate gate part 2 -

Climate scandal: new evidence of dubious research - RT Top Stories

End of that article:

"The IEA concedes that temperatures may have increased, but much less than 2 degrees Celsius. It asks: if global warming is overstated in Russia, what errors are hiding in the data on other countries?"

Would be something else if a bunch of monstrous omissions start popping up
all over the place from many different countries.

[jibbguy]

Yes, this is a "Crime Against Humanity", and the planet, by deliberately POLITICIZING this debate and turning in to another perpetually unsolved topic like abortion, taxes, healthcare reform, all the dozens of hopelessly polarized issues that insure NOTHING EVER HAPPENS TO SOLVE THEM.

Don't you people get it? There will be NO "carbon taxes" on large corporations in the end, and there NEVER were going to be. They are a RED HERRING to get a segment of the pop all up in arms. There will be NOTHING AT ALL DONE that would stop the continued use of coal and oil or curb pollution (except, again, the possible use of Chemtrails to increase Albedo and generally lower temps, which has been done over the last 8 years or so for SOME reason anyway, and appears to be having strange effects on the weather, imo).

And let's look again at "Al Gore": The person that was AUTOMATICALLY despised by 50% of the population from the get-go after the 2000 election, yet was CHOSEN to be the main spokesman for the "pro" side... For this very reason. In a real world, he is the WORST POSSIBLE choice because he brings in negative perceptions and political dogma to what is essentially a scientific argument. This should be a very strong indicator that something is not right about this situation. And let's be very clear here: He WAS "chosen". NO ONE declares themselves "world-wide spokesmen".. They must get the proper prestigious speaking engagements/tours, they must get the heavy corporate-owned Mainstream Media coverage, and to get that "positive" coverage in the first place, they must BE ONE OF "THEM"!! Frankly it should be obvious, that NO ONE gets to be Vice President, or a Presidential Candidate in the main election, without being fully "approved" by the elite. And this is the guy we have as the "leader" of an "anti-business" faction that wants to do away with pollution from coal and oil? Hmmm.... That smells very bad, and is not very plausible, you all must admit.

But please consider that painting the scientists who have presented "pro" data as "Quacks" is wrong. I personally KNOW some of these people, a few of them were my former Customers who bought 'scopes and chart recorders from us. They are serious, and believe the data they present. If you DON'T LIKE what they present, it is still no reason to cast aspirations on them. Frankly, considering the "non-mainstream" topics discussed in this forum, many of them "Spiritual" and highly controversial in nature, one would think that an open mind on "Quackery" would be very much in order here!

I truly am sorry to disagree with friends on this subject, and from my point of view, it is not about anything but the imperative to urge others to LOOK OBJECTIVELY at this entire situation that drives my comments... So we can see that we are ALL VICTIMS of this scam... One that is being driven deliberately from BOTH SIDES EQUALLY.

You all know by now my supposition here: That this controversy is a deliberately driven polarization scam... Yet when the hubbub and smoke is cleared away, the empirical data still shows a serious danger to the planet that MUST be addressed. I am open to data showing cause, but frankly the "cause" is less important than the reality.. WHICH DOES EXIST.

Look at it this way: Last years' presidential primary elections in the US gave them a very big scare: Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney, and others outside of the mainstream had many millions of followers who KNEW that the political system was a total fraud (...and the obvious way both Parties and the MSM deliberately and illegally manipulated the Primaries, sometimes even fraudulently reporting the vote totals to exclude them in the early months before the larger States voted and created a huge embarrassment for the already "chosen" candidates, proved that).

IF THESE TWO GROUPS MERGED IN COALITION, the "non-mainstream Progressives/Greens", and the "Ron Paul Revolution" and similar Libertarian folks, it would quickly become a very serious Third Party threat to the Status Quo, that would force a huge confrontation and movement for Truth that the media could not successfully hide any more.

"...So, quick, what can we do to keep them apart??? "

You are looking at it, the things discussed in this thread right here. The main wedge issue that will stop all the people that are for real, serious reform from joining into a huge & popular Coalition.

We can all honestly hold opinions on this here, without personal animosities. And we all should, to the best of our abilities, take this an opportunity to learn and gain better understanding of others' viewpoints.

But please consider that there is manipulation on a grand scale going on here... And i must say again, that to insist on viewing this in terms of "black and white" will obscure the important details and insure there is no proper understanding. And that only serves our enemies... Who are also the enemies of Free Energy Disclosure.

[Peter Lindemann]

Neutral Assessment of Copenhagen

Hi folks,

Well, the BBC was spinning up quite a yarn about the "success" of the Climate Summit in Copenhagen, so I had to go to AL JAZERRA for a neutral assessment. Here is their lead story on it:

Al Jazeera English - Europe - UN 'takes note' of climate accord

Peter

[Joit]

I dont know, if they will take the carbon Tax away,
we have them allready here at different things, and i guess,
Gas in USA wont go cheaper, even when they agree after, that CO2 is not the cause,
or even, when they would agree, that Oil last still longer.

We have different Catalysators at Cars, and i doubt very hard, that something will change there,
they still stuck further in her Lies, what are sproaded from the Press, and
same, no change in sight.

I dont even think, that a Carbon Tax would have changed anything,
they did make Cars cleaner, oh well, nice, but that is only 10% from the Emissions.
They try still to turn the Screw to blame the low Peoples, but the Chimneys still smoke.
I think, it would be only again a blaming the small Man and praise the big Man,
what brings them the Tax.

And for Al Bore, i only know, that he has now a Carbon Trade company,
or he is 'only Partner' that is obviously enough for me.
Beside i think, it was more the Circumstance, that couple Peoples did allready know, that is pure Nonsense, what he tries to sell.

I talked today again with a Person, and he said, the Glaciers go back, yes,
but we have a Iceage behind us, thats the Reason.
And for the Rest, all agree, that they dont exactly know, what do happen actually.
But just seems this GW Adorer will do know it exactly.


About this Network, what we got created in Politic, its hard to figure out,
who does what, and what is connected.
It is all nested in a unknown Web for us.
Some tried to sort it out, but they have different Options, some say,
its the Vatican, some say, its the Wise of Zions, what are very much nested,
some stay at Bankers like Rothschild Rockefellers,
but without Proof, you cant do much.
For sue them, you would need a very good Reason, and if,
i dont think, it is uncomplicated.

I figured today, if i would be the Boss of a company, and this Peoples would
stand Face to Face to me, all Bankers, Industrie, Medias,
i would point at any one with my Finger and say,
you can go, you can go, you can 'maybe' stay.
I would sort them out well.
But it is no Company, and i even think, most Politicals dont even know,
what is around, till they reach the Top.
And then they got Pressure from all Sides.

And well, i start carefully talking with Peoples, and amazing, how less they do know about the GW or other Things actually, only from our Liepress, and most of it is misleading.
And i see, you cant force them in one Direction, or bring them non-comprehensible Arguments, or you will more confuse them as to help them.
As you maybe did see, Al Gore use the Argument like,
that are such or 'some Peoples dont believe at Moonlanding' and try to stamp them as Conspiracy supporter.
Wonder, how long it will take, till they see, that there really is a Conspiracy,
there are leading to much Tracks back to Banks and Companys,
that you can not say, there is none.
But some even do know, that they got manipulated, but just accept it.
To find out, which Angle you need to turn, i think,
can be an Art, and i am clueless about the How.

[Joit]

And well, our Press still yelp around, why they didnt save the World.
But still noone from the Press tell about the Doubts, what are at the Datas, and at the Science around it,
or, that China and India went out, and others and say, this Contract is not acceptable.
There been much Scientists, what brought in good Points against this Scam,
but you read absolutly nothing from this.

But its anyhow difficult to really help developing Country,
ie, Africa, there is not really a social Structur, and it is even more like,
when someone earned 5 Dollars more as his Neighbour,
he treat his Neighbour, like as his Slave.
They dont work together, they work more against,
and even, when there would be Organisations, they will be founded from Industrie Countrys, guess, where then the Money goes again, into her Pockets.
Peru looks for someone the same, there is a lot of Kidnapping and other Crimes,
but not really any Economy, so, even when you would support them,
it would be hard, to build a social Life there.
Anyhow its all such a Mess, and hard to offer a Help, to change there something.