The Great Global Warming Swindle

[ashtweth]

[ashtweth]

Its a scam, they talk about how to tax and make money rather then legislation to put dead lines on real carbon negative solutions, dont forget the only real needed theme is pollution reduction for public health and clean air not CO2

here is a real technology Hemcrete®: Carbon Negative Hemp Walls
where is this in the program for these solutions, if they were taxed the money could be re invested to change tech over...not profit
Hemcrete®: Carbon Negative Hemp Walls | Inhabitat - Green Design Will Save the World

and this
Nation's First Hempcrete House Makes A Healthy Statement | Inhabitat - Green Design Will Save the World

Its a scam that we will expose. by various educational programs. Education is the key.

Ashtweth

[Karl]

Pressure mounting for Rajendra Pachauri to resign as IPCC head

Pressure is mounting for Rajendra Pachauri to resign as head of the UN climate change panel over fears that his increasingly troubled tenure is hampering efforts to halt global warming.

The Indian chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has been dogged by controversy since he was forced to admit a serious error in a landmark report arguing the case for man-made global warming earlier this year.

From the U.K Telegraph, I think this is quite a blow to there fraud.

Pressure mounting for Rajendra Pachauri to resign as IPCC head - Telegraph

[Peter Lindemann]

Key UN climate talks set to open

Hi Folks,

Well, the final "preparatory" meeting of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change will meet in Tianjin, China this week and try to produce "a draft negotiating text" for the Cancun summit next month.

Expectations are low, and no binding deals are expected this year.

BBC News - Key UN climate talks set to open

Peter

[ANTIQUER]

Global warming and rebuttal in a nutshell

On 10/3/2010 3:32 PM, donald fafard wrote

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#1) THE GREAT GLOBAL WARMING SWINDLE

The Ice is Melting, the Hurricanes are blowing. and it is all YOUR FAULT.
SCARED? Don't Be, Its not True.

The Great Global Warming Swindle
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5576670191369613647>

#2) GLOBAL WARMING DOOMSDAY CALLED OFF

A very informative documentary about the real cause of global warming. It
clearly discuss about the fact that CO2 is not cause of global warming. This
documentary discusses many topics that are not covered in the Swindle such
as the hockey stick graph, from the viewpoint of Willie Soon and Sallie
Baliunas.

CBC - Global Warming Doomsday Called Off
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3309910462407994295&hl=en&emb=1>
&hl=en&emb=1#

#3) GREEN HOUSE CONSPIRACY

This documentary is a good companion to the latest documentary, "The Great
Global Warming Swindle" recently shown on CH 4 UK and is available on Google
video. The hoax of Global Warming / Green House was exposed 17 years ago by
CH 4 UK in this documentary entitled Green House Conspiracy. Those who
subscribe to the rubbish trotted out by Al Gore and his mindless followers
are not new, they were the same arse clowns who were telling us we were all
going to freeze to death 30 years ago.

Green_House_Conspiracy.wmv
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5949034802461518010&hl=en&emb=1>
&hl=en&emb=1#

#4) GLOBAL WARMING OR GLOBAL GOVERNANCE

If you were to ask ten people on the street if mankind was causing global
warming, at least eight out of ten would say yes. After all, Al Gore's
Inconvenient Truth provides incontrovertible evidence that this is the case.
Yet, contrary to what is heard in the media, there is overwhelming evidence
that the warming we are experiencing is natural, with maybe a small amount
contributed by man's activities. Nor is there any scientific consensus. The
debate is still raging within the scientific community. Sovereignty
International has put together interviews of climate scientists and
biologists from numerous sources who explain, step by step, why Al Gore and
the global warming alarmists are incorrect. In some cases, blatantly so. It
also provides evidence that the global warming agenda is being funded with
tens of billions of dollars as a mechanism to create global governance. Hear
from congressmen, experts and even well-known news broadcasters how global
governance puts global institutions that are not accountable to the American
people in control of every aspect of our economy. The U.S. government is
very close to making this a reality. Very close. Every American, every
citizen of the world, needs to hear the other side of the global warming
story. www.globalwarmingglobalgovernance.comIf you were to ask ten people on
the street if mankind was causing global warming, at least eight out of ten
would say yes. After all, Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth provides
incontrovertible evidence that this is the case. Yet, contrary to what is
heard in the media, there is overwhelming evidence that the warming we are
experiencing is natural, with maybe a small amount contributed by man's
activities. Nor is there any scientific consensus. The debate is still
raging within the scientific community. Sovereignty International has put
together interviews of climate scientists and biologists from numerous
sources who explain, step by step, why Al Gore and the global warming
alarmists are incorrect. In some cases, blatantly so. It also provides
evidence that the global warming agenda is being funded with tens of
billions of dollars as a mechanism to create global governance. Hear from
congressmen, experts and even well-known news broadcasters how global
governance puts global institutions that are not account...all >If you were
to ask ten people on the street if mankind was causing global warming, at
least eight out of ten would say yes. After all, Al Gore's Inconvenient
Truth provides incontrovertible evidence that this is the case. Yet,
contrary to what is heard in the media, there is overwhelming evidence that
the warming we are experiencing is natural, with maybe a small amount
contributed by man's activities. Nor is there any scientific consensus. The
debate is still raging within the scientific community. Sovereignty
International has put together interviews of climate scientists and
biologists from numerous sources who explain, step by step, why Al Gore and
the global warming alarmists are incorrect. In some cases, blatantly so. It
also provides evidence that the global warming agenda is being funded with
tens of billions of dollars as a mechanism to create global governance. Hear
from congressmen, experts and even well-known news broadcasters how global
governance puts global institutions that are not accountable to the American
people in control of every aspect of our economy. The U.S. government is
very close to making this a reality. Very close. Every American, every
citizen of the world, needs to hear the other side of the global warming
story. Global Warming or Global Governance
Global Warming or Global Governance?
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3069943905833454241&hl=en&emb=1>
&hl=en&emb=1#

#5) check out the facts under the navigation list

The Great Global Warming Swindle

#6) CLIMATE CHANGE: THE DENIERS

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#7) Google and Google Video 'Lord Monkton'. He's offered Al Gore a million
dollars to debate him about global warming but Al refuses. Al refuses to
debate anyone actually, he only spews his lies in controlled appearances and
cuts off microphones of anyone who dares to confront him.

YouTube - Glenn Beck-Lord Monckton Debate Global Warming

#8) Lord Monkton debates Rupert Posner

YouTube - Lord Monckton debates Rupert Posner 1 of 3

YouTube - Lord Monckton debates Rupert Posner 2 of 3

YouTube - Lord Monckton debates Rupert Posner 3 of 3

#8) The founder of 'The Weather Channel' says AGW is a scam

YouTube - Glenn Beck: Global Warming greatest scam in history

#9) AL GORE SUED BY OVER 30,000 SCIENTISTS FOR FRAUD. Remember that Al had
2,500 scientists on his side? Many of them had to sue him to get off the
list because they didn't agree and he had Aids and Secretaries padding the
numbers. The anti AGW crowd of Scientists is 30,000 strong but the Press
promotes the few who believe in it to further their liberal agenda.

YouTube - Al Gore sued by over 30.000 Scientists for Global Warming fraud / John Coleman

#10) CO2 FOLLOWS Global Warming by 800 years, it does not precede it like
Al Gore deceives over and over. This debunks his entire argument of man
made CO2 causing increased global temperatures. It's the other way around.

YouTube - The reason for the 800 year gap between temperature rise and co2 rise.

#11) The first chart on this site shows all of the greenhouse gasses of
which WATER VAPOR is by far the largest. The second chart below it is the
one Al Gore uses in his scare propaganda movie which conveniently deletes
water vapor and makes CO2 appear as the largest greenhouse gas. I once saw
a youtube video of Al Gore admitting in Senate Hearings that Water Vapor was
the largest Greenhouse Gas but that video appears to have been scrubbed.

Global Warming: A closer look at the numbers

#12) Google 'HIDE THE DECLINE'. When Climate-Gate erupted a year ago,
emails from 'Top Scientists' came out exposing how they tried to cover up
the last eleven years of global cooling by hiding the decline in global
temperatures by manipulating their models and charts. An incredible scandal
which resulted in many 'Top' Scientists' resignations. The press briefly
reported on it then brushed it under the rug. Google 'CLIMATE GATE'.

A Free Press for a Free People
<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=118346> &pageId=118346

#13) 13 YEARS OF CLIMATE GATE EMAILS SHOW MANIPULATION OF THE SCIENCE BY A
POWERFUL CABAL

13 years of Climategate emails show tawdry manipulation of science by a powerful cabal at the heart of the global warming campaign « Poneke's Weblog

#14) NO RISE IN WORLD TEMPERATURES FOR THE PAST DECADE, UN's top weatherman
admits in BBC news revelation

No rise in world temperatures for the past decade, UN’s top weather man admits in BBC news revelation that also concedes some scientists doubt climate change theory « Poneke's Weblog

#15) GLOBAL WARMING APPEARS TO HAVE STALLED. Climatologists are puzzled as
to why average global temperatures have stopped rising over the last 10
years. (remember 'Hide The Decline' above)

Stagnating Temperatures: Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

#16) MARS IS WARMING, NASA Scientists Report. Data Coincide With
Increasing Solar Output
Mars Is Warming, NASA Scientists Report - by James M. Taylor - Environment & Climate News
ists_Report.html

#17) From National Geographic: MARS MELT HINTS AT SOLAR, NOT HUMAN, CAUSE
FOR WARMING

Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says

#18) The charts on page 11 and 12 show Solar Activity correlates with our
Global Temperatures exactly. The charts at the Stanford University website
that also showed this clearly have been scrubbed, probably due to their
money receiving agenda, but i did see them several years ago.
http://media.kusi.clickability.com/d...l+Warming1.pdf

#19) The first chart on this page shows Solar Activity Correlates with our
Climate perfectly over 140 years.

Solar Activity and Climate

Continued next post.
Al

[ANTIQUER]

Global Warming discussion, part 2

#20) Remember the Fraudulent Hockey Stick Chart? The one that was made up
to show how temperatures have been rising since man started making camping
fires? Here's a little interesting reading on how that Scam came about.

http://minnesotansforglobalwarming.c...y-of-hockey-st
ick-chart-revealed.html

Another thing to consider. When discussing temperatures, only satellite and
ice core can be trusted, thermometer records are wholly inaccurate due to
many variables in our modern world ie tar roofs, nearby ac units, asphalt
parking lots, sprawling concrete cities etc.

Donald

From: WaterFuel1978@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WaterFuel1978@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Redler
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:06 AM
To: WaterFuel1978@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WaterFuel1978] Global Warming

I've seen them. If you think "An Inconvenient Truth" is misleading, I find
it ironic that the sources you provide are considered legitimate. Take some
time to find out who produced them, who bankrolled the production, separate
facts from rhetoric, and become aware of the outright fraud being committed
in theses productions. More importantly, examine the "stars" of these so
called "documentaries".

Let's take "The Great Global Warming Swindle" as an example:

Who's "Professor Tim Ball, University of Winnipeg, Department of
Climatology"? You got me. The University of Winnipeg didn't have a
Department of Climatology at the time of the interview, and to my knowledge,
nothing's changed.
Kevin Grandia | A Global Warming Swindle play-by-play

How about Pat Michaels? He's a well known public relations advocate for the
coal and oil industry. He's been at it for quite a while.

"Michaels' firm does not disclose who its clients are, but leaked documents
have revealed that several were power utilities which operate coal power
stations. On a 2007 academic CV, Michaels disclosed that prior to creating
his firm he had received funding from the Edison Electric Institute and the
Western Fuels Association. He has also been a frequent speaker with leading
coal and energy companies as well as coal and other industry lobby groups.

Patrick J. Michaels - SourceWatch
Oil-funded Pat Michaels admits solving global warming is a problem of “political acceptability” « Climate Progress
o-big-oil/

And that's only the beginning. Starting with #1 on your list, a dossier of
incriminating facts that challenges the credibility of these sources can be
long enough to keep one's printer busy for a long time.

By listing these sources, you are declaring yourself the product of a very
expensive campaign by fossil fuel industries to manufacture consent and
ensure a steady flow of profits.

Mike



i doubt if you even watched one minute of the documentaries or supportive
links, you wouldn't want to fog up your mind with alternative views or
facts. i'm pretty sure you just went right to a wing nut disinformation
site like Kevin Grandia | A Global Warming Swindle play-by-play
then copied and pasted their propaganda here.

well lookey lookey.

Who's "Professor Tim Ball, University of Winnipeg, Department of
Climatology"? You got me. The University of Winnipeg didn't have a
Department of Climatology at the time of the interview, and to my knowledge,
nothing's changed.

.it's almost word for word from that site, now isn't that amazing?!?

btw, i just got off the phone with the university of winnipeg, dept of
geology receptionist(204)786-7811. professor tim ball did in fact teach
there years ago. he was a professor of climatology in the department of
geology. wow, your disinformation site didn't say anything about that now,
did they? wonder why that is? hint: disinformation.

oh and.

Canada Free Press: Dr. Tim Ball

"Dr. Tim Ball is a renowned
<http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/members/17102/Ball/> environmental
consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg.
Dr. Ball employs his extensive background in climatology and other fields as
an advisor to the

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Retired climatology professor Tim Ball is fighting a difficult battle
against the broadly accepted idea that human industry and conveniences are
changing Earth's climate, and not for the better. Earth is warming up, Ball
says, but it's not humans who are doing it.

Tim Ball, PhD - Climate Change - ProCon.org



Retired Professor of Geography at the University of Winnipeg


Con to the question "Is human activity a substantial cause of global climate
change?"


"Claims that recent severe weather and flooding in the US are proof of human
CO2 impacts on global climate are scientific nonsense...

Tim Ball - SourceWatch

Dr. Timothy Ball is Chairman and Chair of the Scientific Advisory Committee
of the Natural Resources Stewardship
<http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...Stewardship_Pr
oject> Project (NRSP).
<http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tim_Ball#cite_note-NRSP_Ball-0>
[1] Two of the three directors of the NRSP - Timothy Egan
<http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Timothy_Egan> and Julio Lagos
<http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Julio_Lagos> - are executives
with the PR and lobbying company, the High Park Group
<http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=High_Park_Group> (HPG).
<http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tim_Ball#cite_note-1> [2] Both
HPG and Egan and Lagos work for
<Permission error - SourceWatch
ink=1> energy industry clients and companies on energy policy.
<http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tim_Ball#cite_note-2> [3]Ball is
a Canadian climate change skeptic
<http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Climate_change_skeptic> and was
previously a "scientific advisor"

i included this entire article as it is a must read:

http://www.torontosun.com/comment/co...0/02/12/128598
51.html

Recently I interviewed professor Tim Ball on my TV show. Ball is a highly
qualified and experienced academic with an expertise in historical
climatology who rejects most of the current hysteria around climate change
and global warming.

He is a modest, gentle man who, in spite of his enormous work in the field
and the chairing of inquiries and commissions into environmental causes, is
now libelled, slandered, abused and threatened for his opinions.

"If people knew just how deep and dark this conspiracy is - yes, conspiracy
- they'd be amazed," he explains. "More and more academics are standing up
to refute climate-change theories, but it's still dangerous to do so. It can
mean the end of a career, the targeting of someone by well-organized
fanatics."

I rather doubted this man who is arguably Canada's leading scientific
opponent of climate-change fundamentalism until the e-mails poured in after
his television appearance. People wrote that he was in the pay of big oil,
was a simple high-school geography teacher, was insane and worse. In fact,
he is a university academic with impressive graduate degrees and doctorates
and, unlike so many global warming advocates, is not in the pay of anybody.

Because he took some of his degrees under a university department of
geography, an Internet mythology has developed around him and people who
cannot spell let alone define scientific concepts try to silence him
whenever he speaks.

"I've rather got used to it by now," he says. "At first it was shocking that
a climatologist with different ideas was treated like a Holocaust denier.
Now I just move on and speak the truth."

Such aggression has become typical of climate-change fanatics. When they
lose arguments or are exposed as frauds, they attack their critics'
reputations or, in the case of the UN climate chief last week, shout that
opponents should have their faces rubbed in carcinogenic material. It's a
grander, better financed version of pushing someone off a stage and is as
crass and nasty as any anti-Communist witch-hunt.

Usually I wouldn't reveal this sort of information, but in this case it's
necessary. We flew professor Ball to Toronto from Victoria for our interview
because he could not afford the flight. The money for the economy fare was
donated by two friends of our program with no connections to the
climate-change debate and there was no fee for professor Ball. In other
words, this man alleged to be in the pay of millionaires could not find
anyone to subsidize even an entirely legitimate domestic flight for a major
interview seen by 300,000 people!

"The believers are on increasingly thin ice - which is ironic because 400
years ago, the ice on London's River Thames was three-feet thick!" he
explains. "There has always been and always will be climate change, but it
has very little to do with human activity and has nothing at all to do with
pollution of course. We're being lied to and the lies started 40 years ago."

And professor Ball continues to speak out, no matter what the cost. More
e-mails condemning him? Yes indeed. They're being written right now.

did you know that a high court judge in london ruled that gores movie was
full of disinformation and lies? now, before any teacher wants to show that
propaganda film, they have to read the 77 page corrective guidance
disclaimer that the judge issued. what, you missed that one too??

YouTube - Dr. Savage Interviews Lord Christopher Monckton 1

here's a must see list of errors in gores emmy receiving propaganda film.

enjoy.

35 Inconvenient Truths

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5J7JNfLYco>
YouTube - 35 Inconvenient Truths part 1

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgQX3ndQQg4>
YouTube - 35 Inconvenient Truths part 1

donald.

Al

[rickoff]

Insane new U.K. video ad promoting climate change awareness

If you haven't seen this one already, take a few minutes to watch this video produced by 1010global.org, which calls itself "a global campaign to cut carbon by 10% a year starting in 2010." Evidently, this is their idea on how those disagreeing with their agenda could best be dealt with.

YouTube - How to Cut Carbon Emissions

[Peter Lindemann]

UN climate talks in China end without Breakthrough

Hi folks,

Here is the latest on the UN Climate talks which just ended in China.

BBC News - UN climate talks in China end without breakthrough

Peter

[jibbguy]

Since i've observed here on the water in the FL Keys, i've seen the mean water level rise at least 2". This is calculated from:

> Mean high tides (not lunar "super highs").

> Same time of year and normal temps for several weeks (to discount heat expansion in the water).

> 1 solid week of low average winds (to discount "pushing" from wind).

So "Lord Mocton" and "Alex Jones" can't tell me ****... because i KNOW they are full of it.

Frankly, imo, they are controlled opposition and psy-ops shills meant to keep the entire subject under such controversy that nothing ever changes for the energy cartels. So is Gore: They are pushing this from either side to make it into just another political football.... And they have succeeded.

Meanwhile, Big Coal and Oil and the private electrical utility corporations still run EVERYTHING worth running... Including our governments.

The Gulf Disaster PROVES this beyond any doubt.

AND where are your precious "climategate" heroes NOW... ?

When millions are being POISONED along the Gulf Coast... When CDC goes door to door and finds over 30% of the residents SICK..

THIS IS NOT "CONSPIRACY THEORY"... It is absolute FACT. And none of these people will even mention it... PROVING they really are minions of the energy cartels attempting to make sure their power is secure for as long as they can get away with it.

LISTEN, really LISTEN, to what Mocton says: He is not just against Co2 legislation: He and the ones behind him are against ANY pollution controls... and that is a fact. I've heard them say that.

IS THAT WHAT YOU ALL SUPPORT?

Without the great and successful Grass Roots campaign of the 60's and 70's that stopped most water and air pollution... that was successful DESPITE every politician being in the polluters' pockets... Our environment would HAVE ALREADY been destroyed... and that is also FACT.

If people what to look at everything as black and white, and believe that the NWO conspiracy is the end-all and do-all behind everything... they are entitled to it. But they would be either utterly wrong; or perhaps paid shills to push it on others. Simple Organized Crime, for profit and power... ALSO EXPLAINS EVERY SINGLE claim of the "NWO Theory": The results on the ground for us are indistinguishable.

And as long as people talk about these cabals as "fact", the boring every-day crimes based on greed and corruption are ignored!! THINK ABOUT THAT PLEASE.

Here's another very telling example of how they are "dis-info" :

Last month, when some guy nutted at the Discovery Channel, Alex Jones' website tried to claim that environmentalists are sick eugenicists that want to use draconian and murderous methods of population control...

UTTER B-S....

Lol, and it is funny how they didn't try to link that guy to "Gun Control" ... HAHAHA.

And it is VERY FUNNY how they tried to paint the ONLY people who are trying to stop BP from poisoning millions, are the ones to now attack.

I DO consider myself an environmentalist... Most folks who loves the sea and the mountains, and the open desert, and the forests are. And i LIVED the result of re-birthing the Great Lakes, personally... When i was a kid, Lake Erie was DEAD... it stunk on ice (... literally, lol in the winter)... We could smell it 2 miles inland, and you couldn't see down into the water more than 4 inches. WE CHANGED ALL THAT, and now it is mainly healthy... as are a thousand other waterways that were HORRORS. I KNOW we can be effective if we work together to stop these bastards... and they know it too.

If someone here wants to paint me as a "NWO sicko" for it, I WILL RIP THEM A NEW ONE... I'm not kidding, this pisses me off to no end: Mainly at how friggin' stupid people can be to blindly follow this CRAP without question or without bothering to look at motive. PLEASE TRY ME if you doubt it.

Now you all can believe what you want to about climate change and climategate. It is just when broad attacks are made against ALL legitimate scientists who are providing good and valuable data... know that they are absurd and without merit. It is not a BLACK AND WHITE issue no matter how much you want it to be; it defies easy explanations, and it cannot be converted into a political argument or a conspiracy theory...

No matter how hard the dis-info artists try.

[Joit]

Well Jibguy,
what do you think would look the Agendas today, after they had passed the Bills for Climagate.

Do you forget about, that
- they only will let pay each Country for the Shaddow Co2 Pollution?
- It is not her Intention to do something agains the Polution too, only let each Country pay?
- They would set up that way her long awaited NWO Cornerstone?
- The Money was not about to go directly into the Country, but over Broker and Banker?
- The Peoples at the lead Position would become a Wealth just for doing nothing as to spread the CO2 Lie?
- they still sell her Energy saving Crap like the Bulbs with the Backround of the Climatechange?
(because most Devices dont really save energy, they only use lesser)
-Lord Moncton was at last one of them, who did stand up against CC,
and showed that the Datas and Statements are flawed.
- The most envorimentally Movements are undermined from Guys with Political interests, and not ecological Aspects?
(btw this Video is removed from Youtube again, where a former Leader of Greenpeace said that)

THIS IS NOT "CONSPIRACY THEORY"... It is absolute FACT. And none of these people will even mention it... PROVING they really are minions of the energy cartels attempting to make sure their power is secure for as long as they can get away with it.

LISTEN, really LISTEN, to what Mocton says: He is not just against Co2 legislation: He and the ones behind him are against ANY pollution controls... and that is a fact. I've heard them say that.

I remeber you very well stating, even here at the Thread, to say,
"There is no Conspiracy".

But there is a Conpiracy with a huge Network, and they dont care about,
to kill Peoples when they come to close to them, for 'National Security'?
But knowing and seeing it is not enough, because this Circles work over a very long Time,
having one Victory against them does not mean, you did win against all of them.
They will come back, and they will do it, slowly, like they did from 1860,
when you dont destroy all the Circles, what they have allready build up.


What i remeber from Moncton is, that he said something like that concerning the CO2 Pollution,
not, that he is against any Pollution Control.

But things did not go more worse, because he did fight against this Scam agendas.
When Alex Jones says, eviromentalist are sick, then he more talks about the fanatics from them.
A lot of them are blind followers, and dont even really know, what is true or wrong.
And that are the dangerous one, when Medias trow in another Big Lie at the Name of the Enviroment,
and all the Followers push it trough,
even, when they dont really know, if it is really the Truth or not,
because some Scientists statet it.
But the Guys at the Leather Chairs laughing her ass off about it.

Even here was lately another Show about the Glaciers from our Area,
but they do go back since hunred of Years,
and there is no Way to stop it, not with hundret of Billions of Dollars,
to Control the Temperatur of the Earth around 1C +-.
but for brainwashing Peoples over and over with this Scam.
Of course, you will get Money for this from certain Booster Clubs and Sponsors,
and then you know, in what Direction it goes.
Where else would you invest, when you wanna sell your '"NEW " Energy saving Crap.
And an Eviromentalist thinks, he does something good for the Enviroment,
even, when it is only in little Steps for him.

There would be a lot to do to make the Enviroment better as it is right now,
but really, Do all this Greenpeace'ers something about it?
No, because they cant, it is the Industry and the Gouvernment, what could,
but all running out of Money and need be cheap.
Noone from them there goes against this Debt System or wanna be enviroment friendly.
It are allways the little Persons, what do it by her own,
till Gouvernment comes with a new Lie.


In the meantime i did talk with a couple Peoples about Clima change,
and they really believe in all this Crap, because they dont know it better.
And seems it is harder to to say, it was a lie, as to commit for them,
that they are wrong.
It is at the other Side very hard, to awake Doubts in them, that there is something wrong at the Story, or even, at a lot of Storys,
what you know about Gouvernments and Medias, that both actually really Lie about some Things.

We here are actually a small Circle, where you can compare more about the Informations,
what you get, but we are actually not much.
There are still a lot Peoples, what dont care, or 'someone else will fix it',
or just think, it is not her Business, because they cant change anyway nothing aso,
or are full saturated with how the Gouvernment handle those Things.
I even can figure a lot Peoples saying, the Oils Spill is far away, why should i care,
and else, i move away from there.
I know Peoples, who answer about the NWO, It is about Time,
because they think, We can fix things at Global scale, what they cant fix
at small circles like in Communitys.
They dont see that the Problems are home-brewed, and not conditioned.

At the other Hand, what Alternatives are there, what are doable
(beside, that you may need only a small surface of the sea with Solar collectors, to get all the Energy for the whole World),
Wind? Bio mass Power Stations? It still are all long Time Projects,
and then all at the Hands from the Communitys, and they have, of course, No Money for that.
They dont really wanna use Alternatives, because the small Peoples at the Offices mostly dont have the knowledge,
to know, what would be possible, or it is not at her hand, to do the Decisions.
The Rest like Water cars goes down the River, because 'it dont work.

It actually only shows how science-blinded all this Experts are,
as they did mix the Oil with the emulsifier instead using simple Grass to clean the Water with it.

[ashtweth]

Hi Antiquer/ALL

Antiquer, am i reading this right, has Mike identified the people behind the swindle movie as being from the coal and oil industry, annd shows that they did it in order to stop the tax ?

Ash

[john_g]

CO2 Effect

Hi

Here's a link to a doc outlining how little effect manmade CO2 has:

http://www.conscious.com.au/__docume...2%20levels.pdf

[ashtweth]

US physics professor: 'Global warming is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life'

US physics professor: 'Global warming is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life' – Telegraph Blogs

[Peter Lindemann]

Climate panel agrees 'milestone' reforms, defers others

Hi Folks,

Here is the latest on the IPCC's response to the IAC's report. Dr Pachauri to stay on as Chairman until 2014.

BBC News - Climate panel agrees &#039;milestone&#039; reforms, defers others

Peter

[Peter Lindemann]

IPCC aims for clarity and relevance in new report

Hi Folks,

Here is another article from the BBC. This one is better than most. It quotes Chris Field, co-chair of the IPCC working group on impacts, adaptation and vulnerability. Among his more important statements are these:

"The fact of the matter is that climate change impacts are very poorly known." "We only have mature scientific studies for a small number of topics and a small number of places, so we need to recognise that...."

BBC News - IPCC aims for clarity and relevance in new report

Here's another quote from the article:

"Another issue that AR5 will grapple with in much more detail than previously is the influence of natural cycles on climate, particularly in the near-term.
Within the last few years, the world has seen the cooling influence of La Nina restrain the rise in global temperatures.."

Anyway, its a good article.

Peter