The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Aaron]

Urban Heat Island Effect

The raw worldwide temp data doesn't have an opinion, sure a few weather stations may be run by idiots like Aaron says, but most are run by dedicated people. Postulating that these hard working people and their data are all in on a big conspiracy is a very very big stretch of the imagination.

Most people I believe are dedicated people collecting the data but they
are also not the ones that are choosing the locations for them to be placed.

They are disproportionately placed throughout the concrete jungle, which
has a higher amount of infrared that is radiated even throughout the nights
showing higher average temps, which are skewed by their location.

So I don't think the average person out there just "doing their job" has
much say so in any of it so are not part of some big conspiracy.

Students in school are the same way - they are learning ridiculous myths
about conservation of energy and other bogus "physics" and they go
out in the world and perpetuate the nonsense innocently because they
are also just doing their job and applying what they learned in school
assuming it is correct. They aren't knowingly involved in a conspiracy to
keep people ignorant of the facts about the energetics of various systems
in order to keep unsustainable consumable based energy systems in place
making big profits, they are just pawns like the rest.

Anyway, the concrete jungle locations of many of the sensors have
nothing to do with CO2 because if no human was on the planet using any
carbon based fuel, the bricks, concrete, asphalt, etc... would still indicate
higher than average temperatures simply because they absorb infrared
and radiate it.

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Anyway, a couple of articles ---

This is an older article (1998 I believe) but points out the "Urban Heat
Island Effect":
Global Warming or Urban Heating?

And a look at solar influence on climate - in the archives only:
http://web.archive.org/web/200208041...olar/solar.htm

[ashtweth]

Guys its been raining here and in Sydney for nearly 2weeks on and off, still raining today,STRANGE weather this time of year for spring, has some one got their finger on the HAARP button?

Ash

[bugler]

An interesting article explaining that the recent warming affected also Mars and thus was Sun originated and that clearly the Earth is cooling and a little ice age (the last one was two centuries ago) could start as early as 2014.

Why Earth may be entering a new Ice Age - by Terrence Aym - Helium

[Joit]

Average Temperatur

How can you tell a average Temperatur, compared to what?

You actually would need 2 identical Cycles, where you start at the same Timemark,
and even there you will may have Problems to find 2 same Cycles.
Look at Spring and Autumm, you can usually say, they are similar Cycles,
just reversed.
You 'could' take a Measurement over a certain Period,
and may get a pretty average, similar Value at both.
But even this would not work, when you do it over few Years,
and you start each Year at the same Month, because the Cycles still move.

So, seriously, how accurate will be a 0,12° per decade.
But, sure, you can move your measurments just simple a few Weeks,
then you can get a different of 0,xx° Values.

And guess what. It are allways this little little Digits at the Lamestreammedia,
what they do use, to try to get Peoples jump on, and unfortunately most are willing,
to accept the little Changes without complaining,
because "Yes We can!" (feel like Super(armchair)heros)?

This Cycles are way to big, that any Scientist can claim
that he can predict it.

.edit.
and at a certain Point, i think it is even for the serious Scientists at last only guessing.

Funny, that they cant still predict the Weather from the next 3 Days,
and close even more funny,
that you NEVER ever did hear a Excuse from a Meteorologist when he is wrong.
Seems as like this Guys have Fools License or the same Rights as a Preacher.

[bugler]

Anyone talking seriously the information received from the system know nothing about how things work.

Every aspect of our lives is manipulated cause there is money to be made from every single detail. This means that all the information we recieve is crap.

Medicine, history, economy, science, engineering, etc are manipulated to deceive us. Some of them 100% (medicne, history & economy). Some just parly (science & engineering).

6 people control over 96% of World media. These 6 people belong to the same ethnic group so all the information that comes from the media is 100% deception.

Sad but it is how the World is run. What is more sad is that 99.9% don't want to listen to the truth and insult you when you dare to say it.

[Peter Lindemann]

What happened to the 'warmest year on record?'

Hi Folks,

Here is a new article, this time from the UK's MAIL-Online news service, questioning "Global Warming" in the face of the UK's obvious cooling trend.

Global warming has halted: That's what happened to 'warmest year on record' | Mail Online

This article is very important because it supports all of the major points presented in this thread. Here is just one example:

Earlier this year, a paper by Michael Mann - for years a leading light in the IPCC, and the author of the infamous 'hockey stick graph' showing flat temperatures for 2,000 years until the recent dizzying increase - made an extraordinary admission: that, as his critics had always claimed, there had indeed been a ' medieval warm period' around 1000 AD, when the world may well have been hotter than it is now. Mind you, there was no significant rise in ocean levels during this event, and food production increased dramatically.

Peter

[jibbguy]

Hopefully the documentary movie "What in the World Are They Spraying" will not only greatly raise awareness for the subject of "Chemtrails", and get many thousands more people to have their areas tested for absurdly high levels of barium and aluminum in the environment (which, quite frankly, have NO plausible explanation for them EXCEPT aerial spraying)...

But it will also help create a cadre of people all over the world who record daily "Spraying Logs".

What this will do over time, is allow a larger picture of what is happening with chemtrails.. that can then be correlated to "temperatures". If we are seeing artificially lower temps caused by a nearly world-wide spraying program, there could be detectable patterns. The original theory, as put forward over 20 years by the most influential and politically powerful Scientist the world has ever seen, Edward Teller... states that any and all increase in albedo subtracts from the global temp "total".

But climate science is not all that well understood (lol, not by EITHER side of this debate imo), and it could be that artificially lower temps in say, the central South Atlantic (where fresh-laid chemtrails have been reported over a thousand miles from land), affect the winter weather in England.

One thing is true: If chemtrails lower temps, it allows the oil corps and private electric utility corps to go on making trillions in easy profits without any bother. It allows heavy manufacturing to go on in "outsourced" countries that have no pollution controls at all. It allows everyone to ignore the CLEAR heating of the environment that exists around every city on the planet (that is literally several hundred thousand square miles). In other words, it allows the status quo to just go on like before.... and if they intimidated and forced the Western industrialized governments to pay for it, even better for them

But it can screw with "local" weather, big time. These people really have no idea what will happen, they just tried it anyway.

[Aaron]

chemtrails

I'm interested in that documentary - didn't know it was avail yet - will
have to look for it. The aluminum deal with monsanto is crazy.

But the spraying started about 1999 and the average temps were already
dropping 5-6 years before that.

We do know that on 9/12 I think when planes were stopped from flying,
it is true that much more sun was allowed through but the same amount
of co2 was in the air. co2 from planes on one day I do not believe is going
to change the average co2 throughout the entire atmosphere.

[jibbguy]

"Albedo" has nothing to do with "Co2" (lol that favorite red herring that frames every discussion we see in the mainstream media... so all other forms of pollution are practically IGNORED).

It is simply increasing the amount of sunlight that is reflected away from the planet, instead of it being absorbed and converted into "heat".

[Aaron]

chemtrails

Yes, that's for sure - Teller wants to blow us up with a nuke then he
wants to choke us all. The Welsbach seeding patent is his brainstorm.

I know it is a reflector but my point is that temps were dropping before
they started the aerosol operations.

And when you see a dozen trails end at the west end of town all
at the EXACT same place day after day and they trails abruptly stop at the
east end of CDA (east of Spokane) - anyone that doesn't see they are
not contrails are simply committed to ignorance. The weather fronts do
not recognize county or city borders! lol (just a note to disbelievers
but they can have their self deception if they want).

Anyway, yes the aerosol doesn't have anything to do with co2 and it is
possible that the trails can drop temps, which on 9/12 it certainly was
more clear and probably a bit warmer (unless the clouds actually trap heat),
which there is no reason why they won't reflect heat in the downward
direction that is radiating from the Earth's surface - but the temps were
already dropping before the spraying started.

[jibbguy]

Good points, but i do remember reading about a study that stated that "stripes" (non-continuous) clouds have a definite positive effect in lowering temps due to albedo, because in order for the "heat trapping" effects to happen, the cloud cover must be solid or close to it. On winter days i have often noticed that it is generally significantly warmer when the cloud cover is solid, than when "partially cloudy" or clear, even when the sun is visible.

But regarding the "getting cooler" back then... we cannot trust the data, right?

I am afraid it would work both ways

[RedRightHand]

And when you see a dozen trails end at the west end of town all
at the EXACT same place day after day and they trails abruptly stop at the
east end of CDA (east of Spokane) - anyone that doesn't see they are
not contrails are simply committed to ignorance. The weather fronts do
not recognize county or city borders! lol (just a note to disbelievers
but they can have their self deception if they want).
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Sorry Aaron,

Regardless of anyone's opinion on chem-trails, I do need to correct you here.

Weather fronts do recognize city borders.
This is simple meteorology taught in most high schools around the world today, probably not in the USA.

The urban heat effect causes a thermal (air rising) to form exactly over the city, this rising air will stop any other 'normal' weather or jet streams.
It is very common these days to notice clouds only over a city, but the surrounding rural area to be clear. Talk to any pilot and he will tell you first hand about there daily encounters with these thermals. The sport of Paragliding in many metro areas rely on this effect and there sport would not exist in these regions without it.

Check Out:
Welcome to the Thunder Dome - NASA Science

Red

[sucahyo]

Indonesian media on global warming

In Indonesia, media blame global warming for every phenomena. From sink hole to float. They blame global warming for "very wet" dry season too.

As usual, when the harvest is good or similar, global warming in not mentioned.

The temperature here is colder this year than last year. The air is fresh and clear in this second largest city in Indonesia, fog happen almost every morning now on my area even if it is only 5 mile from the sea. Birds chirping everywhere, and neighboor old mango now have fruit again .

Everyone seems to blame global warming, but no one seems to observe the reality around them.


Edit:
About the chemtrail, they no longer last. If temperature and chemtrail are related, then I believe I experience lower temperature because there is no / less chemtrail here.

If you have chemtrail in your city, do something about it.

[Aaron]

@Red

Red,

Tell me what distance from a border of a city this happens and how
far away it is expected to diminish. What you are saying has nothing
to do with them cutting off the trails.

You mention thermal so you're talking about the heat and if anything,
that would make the trail dissipate FASTER than outside of the border.
But it is the opposite. I would expect a shift in the characteristic of
a trail being influenced by what you mention but abruptly cutting off
and expecting the wind to obey the border as well, that is a STRETCH.

Again, please tell me the distance this "air border" would diminish from
the actual city border.

[Aaron]

@Red

Red,

That article says this amongst other things:

"As the heat in a city builds, hot air rises. Colder air rushes into the vacuum, creating winds."

These trails end probably about 10 miles outside of town and there are
no recognizable wind influence at the ends of the trails. They do not
always end them abruptly at the edge so sometimes I suppose it is possible
this urban win could stir up those areas of the chemtrail or contrail more
than other areas since that is the area of disturbance by the cold air
rushing in.

But still, that article and that concept describes nothing that would
give any reason at all for the trails to end as they do, abruptly. If anything
from that article, it would show that they should be more dense after
leaving the sky from over a city - not the opposite.