The Great Global Warming Swindle

[jettis]

Global warming is a ploy to implement another tax upon the citizens of participating nations. It is meant to do nothing else but transfer wealth from us to them, them being the ones who currently own and or control most things on this Planet. One could argue the global warming scenario till the cows come home, to no avail, the secret societies who brought in the money grab or tax are part of a bigger picture, they have an agenda to control, dominate and or bring us down a notch or two on the economic scale or even outright remove the middle class. If they could they would tax us for 100% of our income, gain and or labour. You cannot as citizens in our nations, win against them, unless God is involved and believe me that is the only way they will lose and ultimately be beaten down. Mark my words those who have raped this Earth and its inhabitants will have their judgement day soon to fall upon them.

Dave Wing

[aljhoa]

...in Canada we like to "use our words" to express our opinions...

"Are you mental...?, I mean what planet are you living on exactly because obviously it isn't this one."

I'm not a mind reader ...

Al

[Allcanadian]

Hello Peter

Sorry you dropped in with such an ignorant point of view. Here is what this thread is about. It's about REAL CLIMATE SCIENCE and the real data about the fact that the climate on THIS PLANET has never been stable and has ALWAYS been changing, and has nothing to do with CO2. Here's a graph of the temperature swings since about 1850 along with CO2 data:

I would agree my post was arrogant and sensationalized, that was my intent which some refer to as baiting.

Graphs are a peculiar thing because I could show 5 or more graphs for every one of yours showing a different result. Then we could debate the accuracy of the graphs and the credibility of those who drew them. Then we could question the data and the character of who gathered the data. Then question each others character all coming full circle to reinforce our own opinion. It should come as no surprise that each side of the debate shows only things which reinforce their own opinion and reject everything else. In effect it has little relevance to reality more so the vested interests of the persons involved.

I do my own science Peter, did you know that you can data mine facebook profiles to understand who they really are, their friends and family, affiliations and occupation whenever they comment on a given subject?. We find almost all against climate change are also against renewable energy.

We find most people under the age of 25 strongly agree with climate change and pollution control, renewable energy and the elimination of fossil fuels. We find those 25-40 years old are split, those with a vested interest in fossil fuels are against climate change and renewable energy. Those with no vested interest are for reducing pollution and for renewable energy. The next group from around 40 to 70 years old are a very special group. Regardless of their vested interest in fossil fuels almost all are against climate change and renewable energy.

Very interesting isn't it?, do you know why they are against climate change and renewable energy?. According to their profiles all have a vested interest in the status quo in one form or another. They wreak of fear of change affecting their livelihood, their pension, their investments, the effect on their loved ones ect. . So you see the opinion and perspective has nothing whatsoever to do with science, the data nor your graphs. My data shows almost all of the baby boomers have a vested interest in holding the status quo and they will do whatever is required to hold it.

People generally have tunnel vision and cannot see the big picture. Look at it this way... We know climate change action/pollution is the most important factor driving the renewable energy sector. Where is the renewable energy sector going?, it's moving towards clean cheap power. There is also a huge movement towards off grid power utilizing solar panels and new battery technology. In the future every home and automobile will be able to be independent of fossil fuels and the utilities. The most important question we could then ask is who has a vested interest in seeing this never happens?.

If climate change action folds it will take the renewable energy industry with it and we go back to square one. In the big picture, in effect, I have proven through profiling that fossil fuel interests and old people want nothing to do with the future and they simply cannot be trusted to do the right thing...period. I can only hope the younger generation has the ability to see past the older generations senile self-serving attitude and do the right thing...move forward as fast as they can and never look back.

So you see Peter, your graphs are meaningless because this has absolutely nothing to do with science nor climate change. Fundamentally this is about Energy, how we get it and from whom we get it and our future.


On a side note I have also been profiling everyone here as I read your posts in the name of general psychology/science... did you know the vast majority of people are over 30 years old, most critics here are well over 50 years old, the most critical and vocal have a vested interest in fossil fuels or holding the status quo and are generally over 60 years of age.

AC

[aljhoa]

I would agree my post was arrogant and sensationalized, that was my intent which some refer to as baiting.

Self-incrimination is another aspect that protects citizens from being forced or coerced into incriminating themselves when serving as a witness during a court proceeding. This Clause has its history with the use of torture tactics to make witnesses confess to certain crimes. The practice of torture would not only be a violation of human rights and civil rights, but it would also make individuals confess to crimes not committed by them simply to make the agony of torture cease.

In modern applications, the right to silence in court proceedings is granted to prevent an individual from self-incriminating him/herself because of a request to testify. The Fifth Amendment is also included in the Miranda Rights under the Clause "right to remain silent." In certain instances, if an individual is not made aware of these rights, all evidence presented to the courts that was collected during custody can be deemed inadmissible in court. However, in certain cases, such as in cases dealing with Federal income tax, the Fifth Amendment does not apply.
5th Amendment - constitution | Laws.com

I do my own science Peter, did you know that you can data mine facebook profiles to understand who they really are, their friends and family, affiliations and occupation whenever they comment on a given subject?. We find almost all against climate change are also against renewable energy.

On a side note I have also been profiling everyone here as I read your posts in the name of general psychology/science... did you know the vast majority of people are over 30 years old, most critics here are well over 50 years old, the most critical and vocal have a vested interest in fossil fuels or holding the status quo and are generally over 60 years of age.

Al

[Allcanadian]

@jettis

Global warming is a ploy to implement another tax upon the citizens of participating nations. It is meant to do nothing else but transfer wealth from us to them, them being the ones who currently own and or control most things on this Planet.

I would agree it is a ploy to implement a tax and this tax will be used to further accelerate the use of renewable energy. Yes it is meant to transfer wealth from us to them... however you are obviously "us" and "them" is in fact me.

January 1, 2017 Alberta implements it's first real carbon tax and I think it's awesome. Not only do I get an 70% rebate but everyone with a chipped Dodge hemi, 600 hp SUV or 6000 sq/ft house is going to pay for half of my new grid tie solar system. It get's even better when I start selling discount CSA/UL approved grid tie solar systems at $2/watt through my energy consulting company. $2/watt is with a 100% mark up for me because I can buy a solar panel/inverter system wholesale off the shelf locally at $1/watt. Not only is the government going to help with the start up but part of the consumer rebate kicks back to me. Yes it's about money.

There is no free lunch

AC

[aljhoa]

@jettis
I would agree it is a ploy to implement a tax and this tax will be used to further accelerate the use of renewable energy. Yes it is meant to transfer wealth from us to them... however you are obviously "us" and "them" is in fact me.

29. What will a carbon tax look like to me?

On the one hand, just about everything requiring fossil fuels, from a drive in the country to imported produce, will cost more, with prices rising the most for activities or goods that use the most fossil fuels. But the upside is three-fold: (i) your tax reduction or dividend check will offset much, perhaps more than 100%, of those price increases; (ii) you’ll be able to minimize your tax bite by cutting down on fuel usage (e.g., shortening those country drives, buying locally-grown produce, purchasing “green power” from wind and solar cells); and (iii) Americans’ combined behavior changes in response to the carbon tax will go a long way toward protecting the climate and averting the cataclysmic consequences of unchecked global warming.
FAQs


Hillary Clinton (D)
When it comes to climate change, the science is crystal clear. Climate change is an urgent threat and a defining challenge of our time and its impacts are already being felt at home and around the world. That’s why as President, I will work both domestically and internationally to ensure that we build on recent progress and continue to slash greenhouse gas pollution over the coming years as the science clearly tells us we must.
ScienceDebate.org | Presidential Science Debate 2016

Climate change is a false premise for regulating carbon dioxide emissions. Nature converts CO2 to limestone. Climate change may or may not be occurring, but is is for sure NOT caused by human fossil fuels use. There is no empirical evidence that fossil fuels use affects climate. Likely causes are well documented elsewhere.
Here's why. Fossil fuels emit only 3% of total CO2 emissions. 95% comes from rotting vegetation. All the ambient CO2 in the atmosphere is promptly converted in the oceans to limestone and other carbonates. CO2 + CaO => CaCO3. The conversion rate increases with increasing CO2 partial pressure. An equilibrium-seeking mechanism.
99.84% of all carbon on earth is already sequestered as sediments in the lithosphere. The oceans convert CO2 to carbonate almost as soon as it is emitted. Everything else is sophistry or mass hysteria.
A modern coal power plant emits few pollutants except water vapor and carbon dioxide. Coal remains the lowest cost and most reliable source of electric energy.
https://disqus.com/by/Diogenes60025/




Donald Trump (R)
There is still much that needs to be investigated in the field of “climate change.” Perhaps the best use of our limited financial resources should be in dealing with making sure that every person in the world has clean water. Perhaps we should focus on eliminating lingering diseases around the world like malaria. Perhaps we should focus on efforts to increase food production to keep pace with an ever-growing world population. Perhaps we should be focused on developing energy sources and power production that alleviates the need for dependence on fossil fuels. We must decide on how best to proceed so that we can make lives better, safer and more prosperous.

ScienceDebate.org | Presidential Science Debate 2016

Energy policy as fashion goods. Far from economically beneficial, subsidized & mandated renewable energy is a disaster. It will lead to the worst financial crisis in world history. That crisis has already started. It is already too late for investors to find the exits.
Despite generous subsidies, strict mandates, and crippling regulations on competing technologies, some of the largest renewable energy companies are already bankrupt. RWE, one of the largest incumbent utilities in Europe, is rated as 45% likely to go bankrupt within the year, because it invested too much in renewable energy.
Enterprises can only reward investors if they create real value and generate cash. renewable energy does not create real value, but rather has destroyed it.
https://disqus.com/by/Diogenes60025/


Al

[Allcanadian]

We are familiar with the misrepresentation of taxation under a false premise.

According to a University of Tampa study, not taxing churches is taking an estimated $71 billion from our economy every year, and this fact remains largely unquestioned.

How To Make $71 Billion A Year: Tax the Churches | Big Think

$200/person/year = 2 kW grid tie solar/10 year period
The taxes lost to churches alone would have every American off grid within a couple decades with a little conservation. If Donald Trump who pays no tax chipped in the time frame would be reduced.

Enterprises can only reward investors if they create real value and generate cash. renewable energy does not create real value, but rather has destroyed it.

Some estimates of the annual contribution of coastal and marine ecosystems to the global economy exceed $20 trillion, over a third of the total gross national product (GNP) of all the countries of the world.
Environmental values | The Economist

A 10-20% return on my personal solar grid tie investment has value, having no utility bill within 5-10 years has value and clean air, water and earth has great value concerning our continued survival. Obviously the reward is mine alone and not some investor... I'm not into charity subsidizing investors. If enterprises and investors actually paid taxes we wouldn't even be having this conversation would we.


AC

[aljhoa]

Why an Income Tax is Not Necessary
to Fund the U.S. Government

Did you know that the greatest period of economic growth in American history was during a time when there was absolutely no federal income tax? Between the end of the Civil War and 1913, there was an explosion of economic activity in the United States unlike anything ever seen before or since. Unfortunately, a federal income tax was instituted in 1913, and this year it turned 100 years old. But there was no fanfare, was there? There was no celebration because the federal income tax is universally hated.

Sadly, most Americans just assume that there is no other option to an income tax. Most Americans just assume that it has always been with us and that it will always be with us. This year, the American people will shell out approximately $4.22 trillion in state and federal income taxes. That amount is equivalent to approximately 29.4 percent of all income that Americans will bring in this year, and that does not even take into account the dozens of other taxes that Americans pay each year.

At this point, the U.S. tax code is about 13 miles long, and those that are honest and pay their taxes every year are being absolutely shredded by this system. But wouldn't the federal government go broke if we didn't have a federal income tax? No, actually the truth is that the federal government did just fine before there was an income tax. In fact, the U.S. national debt has gotten more than 5000 times larger since the federal income tax and the Federal Reserve were created by Congress back in 1913.
100 Years Old & Still Killing Us: America Was Much Better Off Before The Income Tax | Zero Hedge


Al

[Allcanadian]

@aljhoa

Did you know that the greatest period of economic growth in American history was during a time when there was absolutely no federal income tax? Between the end of the Civil War and 1913, there was an explosion of economic activity in the United States unlike anything ever seen before or since. Unfortunately, a federal income tax was instituted in 1913, and this year it turned 100 years old. But there was no fanfare, was there? There was no celebration because the federal income tax is universally hated.

If memory serves me correct the time period between the civil war and 1913 was when former American slaves were now supposedly free but forced to pay for food and shelter many times in excess of what they were paid simply to survive. The economic activity was excessive and the now supposedly free working slaves, indentured slaves, fell further and further in debt working for what amounts to less than nothing.

In Canada we generally refer to these self-righteous, self-serving people as "*******s". However who am I to judge anyone's personal flavor of psychosis. Unfortunately this conversation is weak and boring and I already know your response probably before you even do. So I will leave you to it, yet another Canadian attribute of understanding when logic and reason falls on deaf ears. Sad but unfortunately true, such is life my friend... such is life.

AC

[bjdea1]

Global warming is a ploy to implement another tax upon the citizens of participating nations.

Global Warming = United Nations Political Propaganda Tool

I've researched this quite a lot. I've come to the conclusion that its all about the United Nations needing a seemingly legitimate global problem to solve. If Global Warming exists then the United Nations has a reason to exist and something to rally the nations together over. So its a political propaganda tool manufactured to help the United Nations rise to Global Power. They have currently succeeded in using it to get all the nations to sign binding agreements with them - with them as the overseeing authority - the Paris Climate Accord - which has now been ratified by most nations. They seriously couldn't care less about the environment, its just a trick to help them setup their seat of power (dictatorship) over the nations by stealth, without the people realising (objecting). Sadly the vast majority of people on the earth have fallen for this nonsense and actually believe the United Nations is the worlds savoir..........their trick has worked...........

It won't be much longer now until we have a global leader, over all the nations, probably the UN Secretary General will one day be the Global Anti-Christ. The Pope is playing a big role in this too. He is being used to unite all the masses of the different religions, and boy isn't he passionate for the United Nations...........basically we're all being herded like cattle back to the Tower of Babel.

As most people on these forums will know "Free Energy" is REAL and actually not that hard to achieve. Its funny how the solution to this manufactured Global Climate Crisis has been available for so long now yet the governments repeatedly never want to know about these solutions. The Truth is they never want to solve Global Warming.............they always want to perpetuate the problem because its been one very effective propaganda tool............they are not about to drop something that works so well for them...........

The "Global Warming" issue exists to setup the United Nations as the worlds first Global Government.............that's what its all about..............IMHO of course.

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[jettis]

@jettis


I would agree it is a ploy to implement a tax and this tax will be used to further accelerate the use of renewable energy. Yes it is meant to transfer wealth from us to them... however you are obviously "us" and "them" is in fact me.

January 1, 2017 Alberta implements it's first real carbon tax and I think it's awesome. Not only do I get an 70% rebate but everyone with a chipped Dodge hemi, 600 hp SUV or 6000 sq/ft house is going to pay for half of my new grid tie solar system. It get's even better when I start selling discount CSA/UL approved grid tie solar systems at $2/watt through my energy consulting company. $2/watt is with a 100% mark up for me because I can buy a solar panel/inverter system wholesale off the shelf locally at $1/watt. Not only is the government going to help with the start up but part of the consumer rebate kicks back to me. Yes it's about money.

There is no free lunch

AC

Perhaps you should lay off the "beer"... If you think that is what I meant!!!

Dave Wing

[aljhoa]

I'm not a mind reader

I already know your response probably before you even do.

Al

[quantumfanatic]

Sun going blank indicates ice age wonder where or how global warming fits in

Analysis of the sun has revealed that there has been a sharp decrease in the amount of sunspots this year. Sunspots release solar flares and vast amounts of magnetic energy. For the fourth time this year, the sun has gone blank, which has led some experts to believe that a new Ice Age is on the horizon and could hit us by 2019. According to SpaceWeather.com, the occurrence of a spotless sun is going to become more regular.

It said: “There will be lots of spotless suns. “At first, the blank stretches will be measured in days; later in weeks and months. “The current blank spell is the fourth such interval of 2016, so far.”

Meteorologist Paul Dorian believes that this is indicative behaviour of an approaching Ice Age. He told the Daily Star: “If history is any guide, it is safe to say that weak solar activity for a prolonged period of time can have a cooling impact on global temperatures in the troposphere which is the bottom most layer of Earth’s atmosphere — and where we all live.”

Sunspot activity reaches goes in cycles of reaching its peak and back to minimum activity every 12 years or so. The next time it is set to reach its minimum is in 2019, which could herald a new Ice Age. The last time there was such low solar activity was in the 15th century, when a mini Ice Age occurred, causing the Thames to freeze over in 1607.

[BroMikey]

I would agree my post was arrogant ............

I do my own science Peter

...........did you know that you can data mine facebook profiles


We find most people under the age of 25 strongly agree with climate

We find those 25-40 years old are split

40 to 70 years old ................are against climate change and renewable energy.

Very interesting isn't it?

My data shows almost all of the baby boomers have a vested interest in holding the status quo

People generally have tunnel vision

So you see Peter, your graphs are meaningless

most critics here are well over 50 years old,

the most critical and vocal .......... are generally over 60 years of age.

You gotta be joking right? You get your data off facebook thinking
that these stats are completely unrigged, honest to goodness
true figures. And that is what you call scientific reasoning?

Global warming? Scientific reasoning? WHERE? I have not heard any
good reasoning coming from your camp. So you still look at the sky
thinking it is blue? The human race is one big happy family?

I don't think so, climate science is propagated by losers who are little
boys, parroting global agenda and part of the strategy is to cause
conflict among the population by injecting all forms of mind washing
into the local news. You have been eating in the dumpster if you think
that global weather patterns can be fixed by charging the world population
more money.

Facebook mines? Scientific what? I,m laughing at your entry as proof
that the polar bears are slipping off the last piece of Arctic Ice a sort
of game over picture for man and beast.

I don't think this is good reasoning.

[Duncan]

Does it tie together?

United nations ? and who put that together and why pray ? let me put a few documentaries here for you to consider , Not that I'm saying you understand that each is 100% correct in its conclusions but I do observe that each substantially supports and meshes with the the next in order to substantiate 'a whole collective picture. This is an energy platform and it behooves I follow the subject as best I may to consider what ,who and why . you will find the same names recurring, even so its some hours of viewing and a lot to digest, still I invite you to watch the documentaries and short video's that have impacted me on the subjects you are discussing. I have tried as far as possible to use historical footage ergo you can then see what has come to pass. Also that which was theory may now in a lot of cases be seen as fact. lets start with 'Big oil'
How Big Oil Conquered the World - Top Documentary Films
Now just a little sniff at the Nazi's, and the probable origins of the 'Bilderburg group ' at the end of WW2 both allies and axis powers had formed a 'plan B' The British plan was pretty brutal and direct, involving half a ton of Anthrax dropped on Germany and followed by covert assassinations carried out by prepared groups in the UK in the event of Nazi invasion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mykjxkwwe0
The Nazi plan which has been put into effect was formulated on a financial basis by minister of finance Martin Boremann and hammered into post war operation during 'The red house agreement'
Revealed: The secret report that shows how the Nazis planned a Fourth Reich ...in the EU | Daily Mail Online
This powerful and clandestine group morphed and grew into what is now known (to a small, but increasing number of people) as 'The Bilderburg group'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho
George Carling seems to sum it up rather well in this short clip .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
Well it all seems just awful, don't it ? Seems very biased and anti American, but consider this folks - whats the alternative? also consider like any empire the mass of the people have no idea of the terrible manipulation being en acted on them , They are the de-facto 'cannon fodder' for the elite.
At the height of the British empire history records the common British population had a terrible existence
The elite however are already on their virtual bikes. - and they seem to have the front wheel pointed east.- Ah but did I call America an empire ? In all but name surly ?. For the record let me make that connection , Here is turn coat American 'economic Hit man' John Perkins explaining how and why the American empire was formed and by who
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDPoZJNT1eM
I would hate the reader to get the impression I am a hater of 'capitalism ' I am not , It brings oh so many benefits and freedoms still its a broad brush and like the curates egg 'good in parts' . but so are all the 'systems' (in theory at least ) however it isn't capitalism we are looking at here is it ? its 'Fascism' (remember its roots)

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
Benito Mussolini

You will have immediately latched onto the switch to energy as the Empires new currency . used by the elite in the shape of 'the petro dollar' (which they can easily manipulate ). It is here being introduced by angelic sweetheart Tricky Dicky who forced the issue by reneging on Americas international debts.
here's that bucket of slime (minus the bucket) doing it -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRzr1QU6K1o
So now what if an inventor comes up with a new energy system ? or oh dear oh dear, oops ! finds huge oil and gas reserves ? I think most on this forum know what happens to the inventors and researchers , and this is what happens to huge oil finds -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZFO1tq5OeI
Do you really think the elite could possibly leave such a bonanza find alone ? here is what (could well) have been done with it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQMdvlznPK8
Of course this also nicely explains the very odd weather patterns that seem to be occurring world wide and fits hand in glove with the tax plan for a 'new world order'.
What then of the bombings, terror , assassinations , generated wars ? could it all really be a grandiose plan organized by these lunatic rich bone idle men who have never so much as washed a pot in their bone idle greedy life's ? This documentary seems to tie it all together which is why I'm afraid its quite long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM
An in depth study of any one industry quickly demonstrates which particular 'Baron' rules the cartel and the disaster it brings to the general public . At random I pick the medical 'Industry' or rather drugs under the rule of 'The Rockefeller' foundation. watch for Rockefeller and his lackeys particularly Fishbein in each documentary and clip
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b2/BH1.mp3
a cure for all cancer's ? Thats an outrageous claim,I suggest you check it out, you'll find alas its true- watch the Royal Rife story, you'll find it 'free to watch' half way down this page. http://rifevideos.com/
what a microscope ! could it be matched ? Of course but as you clearly now see - the technology wont be allowed or the methods investigated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGJW94ciq4c
and what of Morris Fishbein ? His exposure as a medical fraud who had failed basic human anatomy was exposed and the AMA taken to task in an open court of law by Harry Hoxey
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/hoxse...comes-a-crime/
Its a side swipe complement to the USA that these documentaries are available . after all your not likely to see the Tiananmen Square documentary coming out of china any time soon . My own land is also tight lipped, regardless - It still doesn't answer the question, how does the human race regain control of its own destiny ? As George Carling tells us 'voting for these rich cock suckers isn't going to do it. Ah but what is?-