The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Allcanadian]

@Bromikey

The same people who think carbon tax are the same ones in favor of
a forced everything lifestyle for the future. All free people will fight that.
Being held down and made to be bound with heavy burdens will only
develop a group of supermen to destroy that paradigm.

I think you have it all backwards and I have read all of the carbon tax legislation which will effect me twice. Agriculture is exempt for obvious reasons and for the rest it is a progressive tax based on income and fossil fuel emissions. That is the higher my income or the more fuel I burn the more I pay. Everyone with an income below $95,000 with average consumption pay nothing. Have you even read the carbon tax legislation which may effect you?.

So is the climate really changing?, to be honest I don't care. Climate change action and a carbon tax will force heavy polluters to pay for the 50% rebate on the new clean sustainable solar energy and thermal solar heating system on my farm. This gets me off grid and free of the utility companies so yes I do have a vested interest in climate change action... energy independence and my freedom. If you want to continue paying and supporting polluting utility companies that's fine but I'm opting out.

If you ever actually read your climate change action/carbon tax legislation you should look for a direct link between the producers who should pay into the system and the lower/middle income consumers who should receive something tangible.

AC

[Allcanadian]

I wanted to keep this separate for clarity and if you are an American your should be worried. I heard the U.S. may use a cap and trade/ carbon credit system which is a disaster.

First the American polluter buys credits from a banana republic in a currency worth nothing to offset their emissions. The polluter pays almost nothing to continue business and polluting as usual and the consumer gets nothing as American dollars move offshore.

In essence you are getting screwed four ways. 1) the polluter pays next to nothing to continue polluting, 2) the American consumer receives no real benefit, 3) the polluter passes on the carbon credit loss to the consumer and 4) it creates a tax haven in the banana republic because the corporation can own the both carbon credit source and the sink which are in different countries. In effect the corporation could be paying themselves and creating a tax haven in the process.

It is a way to look like there doing something without actually doing anything and penalizing the consumer. To put it simply your being screwed.

AC

[Danny B]

21st century cow

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[BroMikey]

I wanted to keep this separate for clarity
and if you are an American your should be worried.

It is a way to look like there doing something without actually doing
anything and penalizing the consumer. To put it simply your being
screwed.

AC

Exactly so stops saying that you are going to vote for "Carbon Tax"
this is another fraud. It won't work and it isn't worth your time thinking
about it and worrying.

Instead enjoy your farm, I don't see anything wrong with a good
muffler on a car or ways to clean our power plants nuclear stack.

When we see Nuclear plants removed, then we can be sure that these
people in power want to help the earth and pollution. Common sense.

Remove or clean nuclear power? Nope no such thing.

Get rid of the radiation killing generators and THEN call me in about
100 years. It ain't gonna happen, because that is not a goal of the NWO
global control freaks.

Like Aaron said I am all for clean, so let's get the nuclear spewing
shut off and then we will have done something. Outside of that we
would be straining at a Nat.

Global warming as shown by the corrupt media is nothing more than
mind poisoning propaganda. You drank the koolaid, okay so let's
deal with the false euphoria. Many are drunk on the lies injected into
them from childhood.

The media is nothing more than an extension of the mafia run child
trafficking and drug rings protected by the so called "JUSTICE DEPT"?

Yes this is the grim reality. Once you see with clarity that our world is
run by those who are willing to pull a trigger it will be easy to get this
idea across that Global warming is just another one of many frauds
spoon fed to us by the Tyrannical PUSHER of the day.

Many good people wanting to help clean up our environment have done
more to advance new technologies to a better world than those in power
with huge sums of money. The Federal regulators use THEIR seat of
authority to steal from the poor and give to the rich never accomplishing
THEIR proposed utopian goals of heaven on earth.

Global Tx is a Carbon Tax is another burden on the working class designed
to fill the pockets of the rich and at the same time keep the average
person from freedom to succeed.

[Allcanadian]

@Bromikey

Exactly so stops saying that you are going to vote for "Carbon Tax"
this is another fraud. It won't work and it isn't worth your time thinking
about it and worrying.

I think you may be confused, I am a Canadian and I did vote in favor of a real carbon tax which is in fact going to be implemented Jan 1/2017 by our Provincial government. This is not a cap/trade system but a real tax on carbon.

Why would I stop saying I'm going to vote for a carbon tax...when I already have?.

Global Tx is a Carbon Tax is another burden on the working class designed to fill the pockets of the rich and at the same time keep the average person from freedom to succeed.

It may hinder to you but where I live it helps me. I get almost all my carbon taxes back and I get huge rebates for any renewable energy systems I install. It will actually help me to succeed in getting off grid increasing my freedom. No more utility bills and I'm pretty damn excited about it.

AC

[BroMikey]

@Bromikey


I think you may be confused........

It may hinder to you but where I live it helps me. I get almost all my carbon taxes back and I get huge rebates for any renewable energy systems I install. It will actually help me to succeed in getting off grid increasing my freedom. No more utility bills and I'm pretty damn excited about it.

AC

You finally tell us why and it took me to get you to say it. Suck them in
and blew them out is the Carbon plan. Suck in the political support
from people like you getting free stuff that must be paid for by the
working class. Just as good as a signature. Gettin that money now.

Loop holes and promises for free everything and here come the yuppies
ridin what people think must be the "GRAVY TRAIN" and the next thing we
know here comes more free stuff.

Sounds like the communist Chinese to me. Canada does fit right in as
it is a socialist country now. I get it now AC. We here in the USA have
had the CAPITALISTIC system which use to work well til the mafia Gov
took over 60 yrs ago. I know the rebuttal that the USA capitalist system
is a bad system but remember what we are seeing here in the USA is in
fact not a capitalist system anymore. Our system is a complete
dictatorship where law and order only applies to the little people whom
are unable to rise above.

Your freebe must come from somewhere, your freebee comes from
money stolen away from the working by government kronies who
will steal all that they can in the process of redirecting funds.

So I was right about you. AC the easy money loop hole seeker.

In the end your country will collapse under communism leaving only
heavy burdens for the next generation. Enjoy.

[Allcanadian]

@Bromikey

You finally tell us why and it took me to get you to say it. Suck them in and blew them out is the Carbon plan. Suck in the political support
from people like you getting free stuff that must be paid for by the
working class. Just as good as a signature. Gettin that money now.

Working class?, I used to work three jobs a day. 3am-7am gas field operating then 8am-4pm as a power engineer then 4pm-10pm and weekends general contracting building houses. The hardest job I worked was ruffy on a drilling rig, a double. First day we tripped 8 hours straight and I was pushing around tongs heavier than me all day wearing coveralls so soaked in mud they also weighed more than me. I remember seeing pussys just like you walk away after only a couple hours and they never came back. Not to mention the fact we don't operate like those pussys down in Texas, we have grizzlies as big as a car that can tear you in half and weather down to -55C when metal starts shattering and the equipment can never be shut down. So please spare me your BS concerning the working class.

What do you do for a living?, I mean I'm just dying to hear?.

As I explained earlier, corporations pay almost all the carbon tax and the working class pay almost nothing. The working class can receive a large number of rebates for increasing efficiency and renewable energy paid for by the heaviest polluters which are generally always large corporations. Have you been listening, how many times do I have to explain this to you?.

AC

[aljhoa]

As I explained earlier, corporations pay almost all the carbon tax and the working class pay almost nothing. The working class can receive a large number of rebates for increasing efficiency and renewable energy paid for by the heaviest polluters which are generally always large corporations.

"Fix the Accounting, Then Fix the System"


Al

[BroMikey]

@Bromikey


I remember seeing pussys just like you walk away after only a couple
hours and they never came back. Not to mention the fact we don't
operate like those pussys down in Texas, we have grizzlies as big as
a car

What do you do for a living?, I mean I'm just dying to hear?.


AC

I have done similar modular building sets up to 28 commercially til my
hands were almost bitten by frost in central Michigan -40 so I can
understand you better now. Thanks AC. Those tongues are a beast.

We used salamander/heaters that burn K1 kerosene and 2 double
meat whoppers were gone in minutes and I was hungry in about
3 hours. "I" beams and steel rollers.

But what if I wore a black Tu Tu and skated before crowds? Would that
make me less worthy of free stuff? Either system will be run by men
who are dishonest and everyone will be manipulated in the end.

Not all entitlement programs are unfair. Maybe this one you are describing
is a great foot in the door where politicians are doing the right thing?

Yes I completely understand your self worth and I admire your work
ethic. Many men have been stolen from by the controlling mob of pencil
pushers and I have no doubt that you might deserve what you are
wanting.

I guess we are both built like bulls and think nobody can fill our shoes?

It's okay I understand. But still think the big wigs will out
wit the best laid plans.

"Fix the Accounting, Then Fix the System"


Al

PS the first time I saw a bear I was 8yrs eating berries at my patch.
Needless to say I was trembling to pieces, bolting in fear for my life.
All he wanted was a few berries. I didn't see him til he stood up on the
tree next to me to make a show scratching his claws on the bark.

I guess that is how we will become friends?

[jettis]

As I explained earlier, corporations pay almost all the carbon tax and the working class pay almost nothing. The working class can receive a large number of rebates for increasing efficiency and renewable energy paid for by the heaviest polluters which are generally always large corporations.

That may be partially true... but don't you think these corporations will indirectly pass along this extra taxation fee, ultimately back to the consumer, which is you and me? We will alway pay for it in the end and there is no getting around that.

Dave Wing

[Allcanadian]

@Bromikey

I guess we are both built like bulls and think nobody can fill our shoes?

You may be right, I'm kind of stubborn, lol.

the rest was off topic rambling

AC

[BroMikey]

@Bromikey


You may be right, I'm kind of stubborn, lol.

Then trump says he wants to punch people,

Take care Bromikey

AC

Here is what Alberta feds say. Trump says Nuclear Warming. Everyone can't be Godzilla physically. I agree with Trump because it is common
knowledge that the NWO dogs create earthquakes like they did in
Japan off the coast of FUKUSHIMA prefecture and 4 reactors have
been warming the ocean ever since. This is a man made warming effort
that supports THEIR lies.

New Alberta climate-change plan includes carbon tax for individual Albertans, cap on oilsands emissions | Edmonton Journal

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yERgYLrCL6g[/VIDEO]

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfrpSzEPx7I[/VIDEO]

[Allcanadian]

@jettis

That may be partially true... but don't you think these corporations will indirectly pass along this extra taxation fee, ultimately back to the consumer, which is you and me? We will alway pay for it in the end and there is no getting around that.

I believe there is a way, first anyone with under $95,000 income and average usage gets a rebate to cover their carbon taxes.

Next the big corporate polluters pay a greater price which they write off against there profits and then they try to pass the loss on to consumers. The average consumer may pay the corporate loss which they see as a short term rise in price. However this causes the consumer to find ways to consume less which again causes another corporate loss in volume which directly effects their profit margins.

You see it is not a cap/trade system which simply relocates the pollution. The consumer will directly effect the producer volume and profits forcing them to increase efficiency or fail. Very few are going to buy a gas guzzler or a low efficiency furnace and most will be buying higher efficiency products and the increased product volume will promote lower prices.

Ultimately the bad producer and consumer lose and those willing to change will gain. There is no free lunch here and there is no business as usual...that is the whole point isn't it?. The point is to minimize detrimental effects on the consumer as the transition takes place. It is not to pay the producer or the consumer to do nothing it is meant to increase real innovation.

I mean this is a renewable energy forum isn't it?, now is your chance to do something because there is a real impetus for change. Unless of course everyone was just talking BS and never intended to change anything.

There is one thing we know as a fact, if there is a real market for better high efficiency products then the the capitalists and their wealth will move in that direction. Ultimately the carbon tax should have one goal and that is to skew the markets towards higher efficiency and lower emissions with the least amount of disturbance.

AC

[BroMikey]

I mean this is a renewable energy forum isn't it?, now is your chance to do something because there is a real impetus for change. Unless of course everyone was just talking BS

AC

This a fairytale statement when you look at us scolding and mocking
the free energy seekers as if we are responsible for all of new innovations
that you think must come. Calling us full of BS as if we should be
running to the front with all new designs.

These are very ignorant and bitter words coming from someone who
claims to be a seeker of extra energy. I find your parallel hateful telling
me to jump to it when many men have been killed for doing what you suggest. You claim we are full of BS if we don't rise to the task of
reducing the carbon foot print.

I remember coming to this point with you before in the past.

You are hateful bitter man full of hypocrisy. I would say
shame on you but I realize now that you have none. So pitiful.
The people studying here to find ways to get the extra energy must
do so quietly and peacefully if they are to live out their lives without
being threatened.

What we do here is personal and has nothing to do with you or anyone
else. We will run our homes and help our friends so we may stay alive
keeping our families safe. Nobody cares about your frustrations and how
you take them out on the innocent.

I can see now that you fall into the category "Layer in Wait" this is
a calculated position to take down the opponent. Sorry nice try but
you are uncovered.

We are not in the dark so playing the ignorant card won't work here.
Unless you are really that thick that you can't figure a few of these
things out for yourself? Then what are you doing here posing as a
free energy guru?

Or is it more that you want the invention but because you are unable
to get a freebee you lash out ridiculous? It's really stinky from here.

I will say it again, the system does not want innovation, THEY are
flying around in UFO craft 1000's of years ahead of our stone-age
loin cloth. THEY don't need our silly energy projects by comparison to
save mankind, THEY don't want to save the planet. THEY want to
choke it off so humans die in large numbers. Reduce carbon and raise
the radiation content so the rise of superbugs will prevail.

After the reduction of 6 billion THEIR plan is to turn it all back on.
Now go do some more homework before you come back blowing off
about the group being full of BS.

Just keep it up.

[Allcanadian]

@Bromikey

I wish you well Bromikey and this thread has been interesting, it has taught me many things about people. I would agree what we say means little...it is what we do.

Good luck my friend

AC