The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Peter Lindemann]

Back to the Science

Hi Guys,

Just a few more indisputable facts to consider. Here is a link to a Chemistry website discussing the Chemical Composition of Air. While most lists of this type show the gaseous components of "DRY AIR", this one at least discusses the role of water vapor in a paragraph before the list.

So, the five most common components of the atmosphere are:

Nitrogen -- N2 -- 78.084%
Oxygen -- O2 -- 20.9476%
[Water Vapor -- H2O -- 1-3%]
Argon -- Ar -- 0.934%
Carbon Dioxide -- CO2 -- 0.0314%

This places Water Vapor as the third most common component of the atmosphere behind Nitrogen and Oxygen.

Water Vapor is also the most common heat trapping agent in the atmosphere, accounting for up to 95% of all "green house" warming effects.

What Is the Chemical Composition of Air? - Elements in the Atmosphere

Peter

[professor]

Extremely Cold up here too

Hi Guys,

Just a little bit of local news here from Spokane, in the Eastern Washington area. Today, the city and all outlying areas are completely shut down, after a record shattering snowfall of 17 inches in the 24 hour period that ended at midnight last night. The fun part is that it is STILL snowing, with no let-up in sight. Storm totals for Northern Idaho, including Coeur d'Alene and Post Falls are in the range of 32 inches so far, and growing.

Local TV programming is all Emergency Weather Alert up-dates on all channels. Police are telling everyone if you have a regular two-wheel drive car "don't even think about getting out and driving". Even 4 wheel drive vehicles are getting stuck and sliding off the freeway.

All schools, Universities, City Hall, Post Offices, Doctors offices are closed. All plowing crews are on 24 hour rotations with private contractors adding to the efforts.

Looking out the window as I write this I am seeing some of the heaviest snow of the storm with near "white-out" conditions.

Lots of Fun!

Peter

I live in Prince George B.C. Canada and for the last 3 years we had no Summer to speak off. Planting the garden in early june ,tomatoes did not ripen by the fall, Spring is now delayed by one month. Right now as I am writing this it's 35 below freezing (Celsius). It's been like that for a Week and the forecast is for it to remain like that for at least another week.
If there is melting in the Arctic where is the cold air coming from?
Its never been that cold since the late sixties when those temperatures were normal for this time of year.Did we succeed stopping the Pollution that caused Global Warming. I don't think so.
Professor

[Shamus]

Speaking of science, I think the obvious thing being overlooked here is the constant aerial spraying going on and HAARP technology. If you put "air force" and "own the weather" into Google you'll find many interesting articles, including the USAF's "Weather as a Force Multiplier" paper. The USAF says that they want to own the weather by 2025 but I'll bet you a nickle that they already own it.

[bugler]

Hi Guys,

Just a few more indisputable facts to consider. Here is a link to a Chemistry website discussing the Chemical Composition of Air. While most lists of this type show the gaseous components of "DRY AIR", this one at least discusses the role of water vapor in a paragraph before the list.

So, the five most common components of the atmosphere are:

Nitrogen -- N2 -- 78.084%
Oxygen -- O2 -- 20.9476%
[Water Vapor -- H2O -- 1-3%]
Argon -- Ar -- 0.934%
Carbon Dioxide -- CO2 -- 0.0314%

This places Water Vapor as the third most common component of the atmosphere behind Nitrogen and Oxygen.

Water Vapor is also the most common heat trapping agent in the atmosphere, accounting for up to 95% of all "green house" warming effects.

What Is the Chemical Composition of Air? - Elements in the Atmosphere

Peter

This is an amazing argument against those believing the propaganda.

Thanks.

[Peter Lindemann]

John Coleman

Hi Guys,

Here's a link to an article from last March where John Coleman, the Founder of The Weather Channel, suggests we should all join a class-action lawsuit against Al Gore for the fraud of "Global Warming". Personally, I don't believe in lawsuits, but it is a very interesting article.

FOXNews.com - Weather Channel Founder: Sue Al Gore for Fraud - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News

At the bottom of the article, there is another link where you can download a PDF file titled John Coleman's beliefs on Global Warming. I highly recommend everybody read it, because it is written by an EXPERT in weather and climate!

Enjoy,

Peter

[jibbguy]

Al Gore may be a fraud or a dupe, or not, but the fact of global warming causing tundra and glacier melt-off still, unfortunately, exists. Poor Al... Trying to do "some good" and getting lambasted daily by the Right... Now even by the left, lol. Too bad Al Gore isn't actually the personal embodiment of Global Warming as they try to paint him, we could then just strap him to a rocket, blast him off the planet, and go back to blissfully shopping and watching TV

But he isn't. He's just a man. And the global event we are seeing has nothing to do with him, except what some would try to convince you of.

Are we to assume from the water vapor stuff, that there was a rise in water vapor (as an average percentage of the atmosphere) in the last 30 years or even 50 or 100? That would be very interesting if it were true (...but i suspect the same peeps who chartered that video would have let us know by now lol)... Then if so, this rise would most likely be linked to what?....

... Air pollution, lol. Back to square one

If is wasn't true that there was a rise, then what is the significance of that info? Excuse the pun, but despite the interesting but non-sequitur facts about something we don't think about very much, it sounds in this instance to be Vapor-Ware

There are also lightening strikes in the atmosphere; tens of thousands of times a day. Equating lightening as the cause would appear to have exactly the same significance as blaming water vapor. They have both existed as a factor for millions of years.

What we are seeing are recent changes. Changes brought about by what? Maybe increased levels of CO2 and Methane, maybe not. Maybe because of the huge increase of "thermal bloom" coming from the newly built-up urban areas as Man's footprint on the planet grows exponentially. Maybe some unseen and unrecorded change in the Sun. Maybe it's because of the large hole that has been torn in the ozone layer. Maybe the birth and life of Rush Limbaugh has done it lol (the timing is right anyway ).

[Peter Lindemann]

A Little More Civility, Please

Jibbguy,

You are welcome to make your own, best judgment of the climate situation on this planet, and its causes. But I am asking you politely, one more time, PLEASE limit your posts to information and links about CLIMATE RELATED INFORMATION, and PLEASE don't make disparaging remarks about other people, either directly or by innuendo.

We are all adults here, and none of us need to be lectured to in a condescending tone. We can all see that this issue means a great deal to you, and for that, I commend you. If you believe that burning pre-historic carbon is changing the climate, then I encourage you to change your own behavior so you can "live your truth".

This is all we can ask of ourselves and each other.

As you continue to post to this thread in the future, informing us of the CLIMATE SCIENCE in support of your position, please remain respectful and polite to those of us whom you would like to persuade to your point of view.

Even a person handing out GOLD BULLION would find few takers, if the recipients had to gracefully endure vitriolic insults for 10 minutes before receiving their GIFT.

In kind friendship,

Peter

[ashtweth]

Any body feeling a little cold?

Facts melted by 'global warming' - Telegraph

[Peter Lindemann]

More Regional News

Ash,

Great article. Thanks for sharing.

As for feeling cold, here's three more news links. The first one is from one of our local TV station's website KREM.com about the current weather conditions. Notice, its the Top Story!

Second big winter storm pounding Inland Northwest | Top Stories | KREM.com | News for Spokane, Washington

The second one is from BBC, talking about weather in Canada. It says that Canada is about to see its first Christmas with snow "coast-to-coast" since 1971!

BBC NEWS | Americas | Canada braces for more heavy snow

Spokane hadn't really dug out from the last snow storm before this one hit. Hundreds of flights have been canceled at Sea-Tac (Seattle) airport due to snow and the same is true at Portland. The main problem has been that they don't have enough "de-icer" or enough "de-icing machines" to prepare the planes for take-off after being snowed on for an hour!

Scores of flights canceled at Sea-Tac | Top Stories | KREM.com | News for Spokane, Washington

Well, that's it for now.

Peter

[jibbguy]

Mystified.

@Peter : Frankly i find you objections to my comments incomprehensible. After re-reading them i cannot understand what is unacceptable to you under the normal rules of "good debate". If you or others were to take my comments "personally", please understand that they are not aimed at anyone here specifically (unless so noted); and especially not aimed at those like yourself who practice good debate etiquette. They are nearly always aimed at the audience in general... And this is how it should be. "Personalizing" debate is a mistake that leads to misunderstanding. It should be about exploring BOTH SIDES of an issue... Giving the readers interesting things to think about. And this is what i strive for (lol, especially here in this thread, when it appears i am nearly alone on this issue ).

My calling out of "bad" debate tactics, such as ad hominems or "straw men", is a calculated... And highly effective... Response to the use of such tactics. In my strong opinion and wide experience, these tactics should always be called when seen. It is a shame that debate has lowered itself to such a degree in this country, that many young people think this is the way it is supposed to be done. It is not!! Lol you could say i'm on a crusade for "better debate

Here is my general philosophy on Debate: One should view the opponents' well-made comments and points as a challenge, and in fact an opportunity to make more arguments and debate points yourself. This is as it should be. It should not be about personalities. Nor should the "debater" tie comments in to their own self-worth, ego, or sense of honor. Those who use ad homenims should either be simply ignored, or called on the carpet for it (as i prefer; to point out to the audience the attempts at sophistic manipulation). Those who make valid and thought-provoking points should never be threatened or silenced. There is always room for more than one opinion on a good forum!

If i have offended anyone, it was unintentional. However i make no apologies for my arguments, and i will likely continue to make them . Not to "get in the last word", but to insure that this side of the issue is fully examined as well.

But i would ask that in the future, if you have a problem with my comments, that you please be more specific... As i am honestly at a loss to understand your point of view here.

You should know by now of the high regard and respect i hold for you... We may disagree on this issue but this means very little to me, i've spent my life in disagreement with nearly everyone i know lol

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The use of month-to-month, current years' figures for ice levels is "fraught with peril" lol. Take for example the article that Ash linked. In the below link, they mention that Sept. and Oct. levels were indeed higher than last year's; essentially confirming the other "Telegraph" article.

However... They then go on to note that since then the trend has completely reversed.

This is why the only accurate and reliable data is from the previous years' average (as NASA and others use). Another and better measurement is using only the ice that survived the previous' years melt; which helps eliminate seasonal aberrations (...and this is a major reason why the previous year's measurements should be used). Since the advent of satellites, this ice level data has been extremely accurate. And there is apparently no question that "2007" was a another bad year for sea ice melt: But we must wait for this time next year to analyze "2008" properly.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis


Another problem with understanding what's really happening with ice levels is "thickness". For many years, according to the data the average thicknesses of the solid-ice sheets have been lowering. I remember last year, the big red herring from the "GW-Denial" side was the claim that "Greenland and Antarctic ice grew in size". Upon examination, these claims were found to utterly bogus. There was indeed increased snow fall, however... But snow is several times less dense than ice. So in fact the total amount of "captured moisture" was much lower. Yet i heard those claims over and over (... until the summer months came, and erased away all of that easily-melted top levels of snow ).

Polar Sea Ice Cap and Snow - Cryosphere Today

[Aaron]

lots of snow

As soon as I was done snowblowing my sidewalk and driveway - there was already enough snow that fell that I had to do it again but I have to stop sometime

I had everything cleared out here last night by hand before going to bed and it looks like there is more than 6 inches that fell since then.

[professor]

Global Weather Manipulation

Ash,

Great article. Thanks for sharing.

As for feeling cold, here's three more news links. The first one is from one of our local TV station's website KREM.com about the current weather conditions. Notice, its the Top Story!

Second big winter storm pounding Inland Northwest | Top Stories | KREM.com | News for Spokane, Washington

The second one is from BBC, talking about weather in Canada. It says that Canada is about to see its first Christmas with snow "coast-to-coast" since 1971!

BBC NEWS | Americas | Canada braces for more heavy snow

Spokane hadn't really dug out from the last snow storm before this one hit. Hundreds of flights have been canceled at Sea-Tac (Seattle) airport due to snow and the same is true at Portland. The main problem has been that they don't have enough "de-icer" or enough "de-icing machines" to prepare the planes for take-off after being snowed on for an hour!

Scores of flights canceled at Sea-Tac | Top Stories | KREM.com | News for Spokane, Washington

Well, that's it for now.

Peter

As I stated before ,it has been 2 Weeks solid of -30 C weather up here in Canada .
Guess what? if we didn't have Global Warming it might be -60 Yeah Right .....
The Arctic is getting warmer and the rest is freezing.....
Does that not tell you something? It is obvious to me as the Haarp of the Angel on my Christmas tree.
To all of you a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year.
Hope someone will give us an OU Christmas present that truly works.
professor

[ashtweth]

Strange i always thought that if its extreme cold on one part of the globe its gotta be HOT in the other to balance it..this is based on nothing but some strange thought in my head...

Is there any where with as much odd HEAT?

[anut]

Yes, Hunan in China.
This year, the highest temperature reached 47 degree C.

Is there any where with as much odd HEAT?

[Peter Lindemann]

Merry Christmas, Ho, Ho, Ho

Hi Guys,

I think this article says it all!

1) Arctic ice grew 13.2% in 2008
2) Summer (2008) was 3rd coldest on record in Anchorage, Alaska
3) 2008 coolest year since 1997
4) Snow fell in London in October 2008, first time since 1922
5) "Global Warming is over, and Global Warming Theory has failed."

Global cooling is here

Enjoy

Peter