The Great Global Warming Swindle

[gmeast]

shift

Global warming has more to do with climate "SHIFT" than it does a uniform warming of the planet. As an example ... things that are normally moderate become uncharacteristically and unseasonably hot, dry, cold or wet or at least are not 'historically normal' for the region.

Heating causes the delicate ocean currents to go off kilter causing weather patterns to become skewed further affecting the ocean currents. This affects coastal weather patterns, storms, the Jet Stream and everything. All of the thermal patterns and cycles become affected resulting in climate shift. This is a pretty simple concept and is not an extreme take on the issue.

[jibbguy]

Many of the below go towards directly debunking the film in the thread title.

YouTube - Climate Denial Crock of the Week - Medieval Warming?

YouTube - Climate Denial Crock of the Week- "It's cold. So there's no Climate Change"

YouTube - Climate Denial Crock of the Week - Ice Area vs Volume

YouTube - Climate Denial Crock of the Week - The Scoop on Southern Polar Ice

YouTube - Climate Denial Crock of the Week - That 1500 Year Thing


There are many more in this series, the guy's been busy lol.

[dave_cahoon]

Correct Temp?

In complete ignorance we've ruined the planet
Terraformed the planet, ruining the nest for us all.
We can terraform it back, all it needs is Money right.

So now that their going to be stealing money from me.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
What is the correct temp for Earth?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

What is the plan to undo our ignorance?
Just how is my 2-3 thousand Dollars a year
going to be used to terraform the planet back?
Who is building the machinery?
Where are they going to be located?

Besides just sealing our money,
WHATS THE PLAN?
Oh and the correct temperature?

[Peter Lindemann]

All Quiet on the Sun

Hi Guys,

Just thought I'd link to this story from the BBC, about the current "dimness" and lack of activity on the surface of the Sun.

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | 'Quiet Sun' baffling astronomers

Peter

[h20power]

Nibiru

The Whole Solar System is Undergoing Global Warming., page 1

To me this gives some evidence that a dwarf star called, "Nibiru" is now headed our way. For it seems we do not live in a single star solar system but a twin star solar system. The twin star is a dwarf star and comes around every 3600 years or so they say. But I just add up what is more probable all the planets in our solar system are just heating up at the same time due to some random event or that something big is entering our solar system causing all these changes. The latter seems to hold more weight with the data collected thus far. But all we can really do is wait for time waits for no man, and if you live long enough perhaps you will get a chance to see if this dwarf star exist or not. If it does this time it will be recorded in blue ray ultra high definition so no one will forget about it again with the hand me down stories that are now long forgotten.

Plutonic Warming by Fred Thompson on National Review Online


h2opower.

[UncleFester]

I think we can all agree that it is not the smartest thing to continue to spew toxic gas from an exhaust into the atmosphere, and quite frankly I am not interested in who or what caused the erratic weather patterns.

The fact of the matter is that climate is changing and already causing significant disruption of normal life for many people. Where I live in Arizona (85902), there used to be snow mobile shops. We used to get 4 feet of snow in the winter, now we get less than 2 feet and the snow mobile shops are gone.

In the past 20 years there have been new record temps being set, both high and low. The most intense droughts and floods have happened in the last 10 years. Every year we are seeing even more radical windstorms and destructive weather patterns. If you just look at the statistical data for this area alone it is fact that things are changing in wild swings of hot and cold.

Even the skeptics in the area are now admitting that something is wrong when they see an 80F day followed by a 30F day and snow in the late spring which is not even close to normal for this area.

I don't know what is causing it but it is starting to concern the farmers who can no longer count on steady weather patterns and rainfall, and the rest of us are starting to notice as well since it hits all of our pocket books in construction, trucking, farming, ranching, resorts, ski hills, and many other industries in the local area.

[h20power]

Sure we are doing great damage to the echo system for not following the works of Viktor Schauberger that much is very clear. But this global warming is something much bigger than mankind, this dwarf star should concern you greatly for if it hits the earth or causes a pole shift not many people are going to make it.

As for the problems of humanity polluting like there is no tomorro I am doing my best to change things for the better in spreading the news that Stanley Meyer's water for fuel technology has been solved and trying to build build build. I posted what I think I know on this site called, "Stanley Meyer Explained." I made it into an engineers/backyard builders challange so that many working units can be built bettering the chances for wide spread distribution, for no two working units will be alike, so blocking them from being built will be all the more unlikely.


h2opower.

[lamare]

Go and see this:

LPACTV: Seven Delusions In Economics | LaRouchePAC

Finally someone who understands what he's talking about.

[DrStiffler]

Lets see, we have a decreased activity in the cycling of the Sun (of which our carbon foot print has no effect), a continuing shift in the Earths Magnetic Poles (which for some reason is considered not to impact climate) and an increase of cosmic radiation (from what and what impact on warming) along with a normal cyclic change of the earth temperatures (substantiated by core sample from both poles among other artifacts). Yet the taxing of individuals for their carbon foot print will heal all.

It is the individual, not industry, not universal cosmic variation that is the cause of all that is happening! Lets see, is increased taxing a Capitalistic or a Socialistic methodology?

For sure, control of the populace will change the direction of the universe. Stop eating cows because of the flatulence they release, go back to whale oil lights (god are all the whales gone?), move only by public transportation on designated days for designated functions and all will correct itself.

We are doomed. Not because of our excesses, but because of our controls and those that educate us to believing we are at fault.

I would like to say something like 'Long Live Humanity', but I do not think this is a realistic view of the future. Find your cave now, for it will be needed if few understand the real movement taking place.

[UncleFester]

Lets see, we have a decreased activity in the cycling of the Sun (of which our carbon foot print has no effect), a continuing shift in the Earths Magnetic Poles (which for some reason is considered not to impact climate) and an increase of cosmic radiation (from what and what impact on warming) along with a normal cyclic change of the earth temperatures (substantiated by core sample from both poles among other artifacts). Yet the taxing of individuals for their carbon foot print will heal all.

So we can dismiss these doctorates and all of their data as a propaganda conspiracy?

Global Climate Change: NASA's Eyes on the Earth

Should we just continue to make the arabs rich and simply drill till the very last drop has been pumped and burnt into a toxic mess? If that is safe to do maybe we should all just reroute our tailpipes to exhaust out of the middle of our steering wheels.....

I'm personally ready to stop thinking like a caveman and start acting a bit more responsibly, even if it didn't make any difference globally.

[h20power]

I do understand DrStiffler's point of view for just look at our history. Stanley Meyer killed, Nikola Tessla carrier destroyed, Dr. Dingel in jail for life, Paul Panton jailed reason unknown, Viktor Schauberger taken for every last cent, inventor of the "N" machine thrown from a train, and the list goes on and on of all the people that could have made a big difference in our daily lives just forgotten about, lives wrecked, and/or killed.

If you step back and take a look at us humans through a looking glass we are the worste things to ever be given life on this planet. Think of how many different animals we have wipped out for all time, how many plants and fresh water ways we have wiped out and totally polutted, and how many of our own kind we kill for a higher profit margin. In the matrix they spoke of us as a virus to this planet, and you know what I can't see much difference a lot of the time. We seem to be hell bent on our very own destruction and like a sore looser in a chess match go and flip the table because we are losing.

Sorry, I guess I am just a little upset after watching all of the animals we have pushed to the brink of extinktion, and all the forest we lay to waste without a second thought. If you do take the time to look at the human race through a looking glass you will find we are more like a virus to this planet. For all of our best sides keep getting wipped out. Like crabs in a bucket, once someone finds a cleaner better way of living with the land, they are pulled back down into the bucket.

But I still remain hopefull and will try until the day I die to aid humanity to change it's ways for the better.


h2opower.

[ashtweth]

Green_House_Conspiracy.wmv

[Peter Lindemann]

A clear sense of History

I do understand DrStiffler's point of view for just look at our history. Stanley Meyer killed, Nikola Tessla carrier destroyed, Dr. Dingel in jail for life, Paul Panton jailed reason unknown, Viktor Schauberger taken for every last cent, inventor of the "N" machine thrown from a train, and the list goes on and on of all the people that could have made a big difference in our daily lives just forgotten about, lives wrecked, and/or killed.

But I still remain hopeful and will try until the day I die to aid humanity to change it's ways for the better.


h2opower.

Dear h2opower,

May I help inform you of a number of more reliable facts of history then those listed above.

Stan Meyer did die after eating a meal. He claimed he was poisoned. Officially, I do not know whether an autopsy was performed or what it may have revealed. Cause of death is "unknown", but suspicious.

Nikola Tesla died of "old age" in his apartment in New York City. This is well established.

I am not familiar with Dr. Dingel's story.

Paul Pantone was committed to a psychiatric hospital in the State of Utah, against his will. He remains there at this time.

Viktor Schauberger was cheated out of his intellectual property by some Texas millionaires, and died shortly thereafter of "a broken heart".

The "inventor of the N machine" was Bruce DePalma. Bruce and I were close friends. Bruce died in 1997 of cirrhosis of the Liver in a hospital in New Zealand.

There is a grand mythology about how many people have been killed because of their work on Free Energy technologies. In this specific case, most of your sited examples are NOT among the ones we can authoritatively refer to. In any case, this discussion is completely off topic for this thread.

Peter

[lighty]

Paul Pantone's wife left him and he went slightly overboard after that. The rubbish he published on his website during that period was very much work of psychically unstable man and I'm not surprised he was commited to mental institution.

As for the Channel 4 documentary that this thread is all about I think it was largely disproved by later BBC documentary on weather. They dissected "Global warming swindle" point by point and IMO they did a pretty good job of invalidating its arguments.

After reading a lot about the problem of global warming I'm now very firm on the staidpoint that there are indeed natural oscillations mainly related to sun activity. However there is definitely a men made contribution during the last century. So, I would say truth is somewhere in the middle. As usual.

[Rusl]

hello ppl

There are many small isles on this planet where any significant rise in sea levels would indeed threaten. Models and average statistics I've seen, already show these significances yet these isles remain strong.

I'm yet to be convinced about global warming.

don't, don't don't believe the hype. Don't, Don't

Rusl