The Great Global Warming Swindle

[dave_cahoon]

More Fuel Than Oxidizer???

If oil is greater than the O2 to burn it than were in a different relm.

Maybe the reason for the BS fossil explanation is to make it finite
when in reality maybe there is enough hydrocarbons soaked into
this planet to burn our breathable O2 content of the truly finite
atmosphere several times over.

A third flip side:
1. iceage approach.
2. we bake in an oven.
3. we suffocate. oxidizer.

4. all is normal minus the hysteria. To much TV.
(my grandma used to say that, #4)
5. the sun drives the weather.
6. the airforce said they would own it by 2025 and had a OOPS(s).

Feel free to add to the possibility's

Carbon credit biz as a start up? Wonder if I would sleep well after?

Dave

[ashtweth]

Dave the evidence WE (energetic forum and others)have collected

Evidence of Concern

show -its about
manipulation for p[profit

Ash

[dave_cahoon]

Yes Ash, I totally agree,

Maybe if they had fabricated fake huge machines NEEDED
to process the air back to normal it would have been more
believable con, but many have seen through this crap and
now far more are going to PAY for it @$# guilt or not. $

Dave

[ashtweth]

Hi Guys here is another from the guy who founded the weather channel
YouTube - John Coleman slams global warming (1 of 4)

Ash

[Guest]

Terracycles - are we going to help our kids control climate? I know we should.

[Peter Lindemann]

"Time to Ditch Climate Policies"

Hi Guys,

Here is a new article, published on the BBC. Seems like the "pro-climate change" folks are having a bit of an internal spat!

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | 'Time to ditch climate policies'

Enjoy.

Also, thanks Ash for linking to the John Coleman films. He is certainly one of the more knowledgeable voices in this "climate change" discussion.

Peter

[jibbguy]

The campaign to politicize GW has worked very well... As long as it is equated to the other "Red vs Blue" issues, nothing will ever be done about it.

Mission Accomplished

... And so "COINCIDENTALLY", nothing need be done about the USE OF COAL AND OIL as fuels, either!! What an amazing coincidence, eh? lol. Wow, who would have ever have thought it would work out so nicely for the energy cartels? Kismet.

If this is not the case, then why...

> Use Al Gore as the main figurehead and spokesman, when half the US was already against him from the 2000 elections? Lol what tactic could possibly have been more effective into turning an issue that has nothing at all to do with politics, into one that is highly political and extremely polarizing?

> Push carbon taxing as the main visible means of "combating" it... Which of course doesn't combat anything, just gives corps a way around having to actually change via new a set of dodges, and pisses off all the peeps who are "anti-tax" simply on principal (which is a large segment of the pop).

> Advertise useless home energy saving techniques like unplugging "wall warts" that are completely ineffective on a grand scale, yet give the impression of "doing something positive". Don't get me wrong, personal energy saving is very worthy in itself (and will certainly be required anyway if one wants to free themselves from the grid). But when saving "15 watts" is considered "having a good day"; while wasting 15,000 watts of energy in your vehicle on the drive to work.... Is just insane.

[ashtweth]

Earth's 'Fever' Breaks! Global temperatures 'have plunged .74°F since Gore released An Inconvenient Truth'

Earth's 'Fever' Breaks! Global temperatures 'have plunged .74°F since Gore released An Inconvenient Truth' | Climate Depot

[ashtweth]

Sen. Inhofe On Global Warming: 'This Thing Is Phony'
YouTube - Sen. Inhofe On Global Warming: 'This Thing Is Phony'

[Peter Lindemann]

Great Find!!!

Sen. Inhofe On Global Warming: 'This Thing Is Phony'
YouTube - Sen. Inhofe On Global Warming: 'This Thing Is Phony'

Ash,

Thanks for adding the link to this interview. The stupidity of declaring Carbon Dioxide a "pollutant" has got to be exposed. I was glad to hear Sen. Inhofe say the next climate bill is "dead on arrival" on the floor of the US Senate. I hope its true. With moderate temperatures prevailing for the 9th year in a row, sound science may finally be able to prove that CO2 is not causing the planet to warm up!

Peter

[ashtweth]

Hi Peter, I am archiving all this info that you/every one got together in this thread on the Panacea site so every one can read it permanently and sign some things to create public pressure.

Gore is getting questioned even in my country of Australia, a member of my government has asked to meet him to present counter info on his Global warming propaganda, Al has actually agreed to meet him ,but dot expect any thing to come of it

BTW here is a good site with news on Al gore's propaganda
I Hate Al Gore

[Aaron]

global cooling

What ever happened to the hundreds or thousands of scientists that are suing al gore for fraud?

The statistics in his powerpoint were misrepresented. The heat happened FIRST and then 800 years (to my recollection) LATER, the CO2 increased.

He manipulated it so it looked like the CO2 production correlated with the increase in temperature during the same time frame but it was NOT.

Anyway, many of the glaciers that are "melting" are gaining snow and the "warming" is causing more moisture that is moving towards colder climates making it snow more. I know there is more more snow happening because this past winter I snow-blowed and shoveled more snow on the ground and on my roof in this past winter than I have seen here in the past 10 years combined it seems.

The experience that I am having with the weather points to Hamaker's theories being right. Not so sure about the co2 total connection but definitely about moving into a cooling trend.

[ashtweth]

Aaron
Here is the info i have on that
YouTube - Al Gore sued by over 30.000 Scientists for Global Warming fraud / John Coleman

[UncleFester]

Earth's 'Fever' Breaks! Global temperatures 'have plunged .74°F since Gore released An Inconvenient Truth'

Earth's 'Fever' Breaks! Global temperatures 'have plunged .74°F since Gore released An Inconvenient Truth' | Climate Depot

Forget Al Gore, he was always an idiot, and the main reason why I could never vote for him. If you studied statistics in school you would know that you need to take a larger sample of time, in fact even 100 years is even a small period of time to sample. Most of your theory falls apart if you apply REAL Scientific statistical data into the study over more than one year. Criminy, one year, you base your whole theory on one or two years record?

If you add to the equation that I see no person or company profiting from this "swindle" even close to what the oil companies are sucking out of your pocket in fuel costs. Rather people are trying to show you that something is happening with climate. To prove this you simple go to recorded weather for the past 100 years and you will see the last decade was hotter than it's ever been in recorded and in fact the result of the industrial age was hotter weather. It is undeniable statistical scientific fact.

So my questions to you are:

1. Is efficiency through better products, insulation, energy efficient appliances, better fuel mileage, etc a bad thing? Enough to condemn
people for trying to be less of a burden on the planet?

2. Is there any company making billions of dollars from this "swindle" similar to the oil companies that have been bending us over for the past 100 years?

3. Are you guys here to promote the use of fossil fuels until there is no longer any hydrocarbon left in the ground? It almost sounds as though most of you are funded by the oil companies themselves.

I have the utmost respect for you guys, especially Peter, but damn, this is some weird stuff you guys have going on here.

[Peter Lindemann]

Facts and Truth

Forget Al Gore, he was always an idiot, and the main reason why I could never vote for him. If you studied statistics in school you would know that you need to take a larger sample of time, in fact even 100 years is even a small period of time to sample. Most of your theory falls apart if you apply REAL Scientific statistical data into the study over more than one year. Criminy, one year, you base your whole theory on one or two years record?

If you add to the equation that I see no person or company profiting from this "swindle" even close to what the oil companies are sucking out of your pocket in fuel costs. Rather people are trying to show you that something is happening with climate. To prove this you simple go to recorded weather for the past 100 years and you will see the last decade was hotter than it's ever been in recorded and in fact the result of the industrial age was hotter weather. It is undeniable statistical scientific fact.

So my questions to you are:

1. Is efficiency through better products, insulation, energy efficient appliances, better fuel mileage, etc a bad thing? Enough to condemn
people for trying to be less of a burden on the planet?

2. Is there any company making billions of dollars from this "swindle" similar to the oil companies that have been bending us over for the past 100 years?

3. Are you guys here to promote the use of fossil fuels until there is no longer any hydrocarbon left in the ground? It almost sounds as though most of you are funded by the oil companies themselves.

I have the utmost respect for you guys, especially Peter, but damn, this is some weird stuff you guys have going on here.

Dear UncleFester,

This thread is not about who may be profiting from the "climate change" issue, or a policy of "doing nothing". It is about SCIENCE. If you look at the ad for Save on Home Energy on the main thread page, you can see that Aaron and I are very much in support of "efficiency through better products, insulation, energy efficient appliances, and better fuel mileage", as you say. We are also not "condemning anyone for wanting to be less of a burden on the planet." In fact, we promote those ideas and help others implement them for saving energy and money!

What we are trying to explore in this thread is the possibility that "climate change" is primarily a natural cycle, and that the idea that CO2 is a primary driver of this process is based on lousy science.

I believe that burning "prehistoric carbon" as a way to power this society is economically unsustainable, environmentally polluting, and scientifically unnecessary. But I do not believe it is contributing in any significant way to the changes in the weather or the climate that we are observing. The "Industrial Revolution" just happened to begin at approximately the same time as the northern hemisphere was emerging from "The Little Ice Age". But we have not even returned to the temperatures that existed before that, during what was called "The Medieval Warm Period" around 1000 years ago.

If you watch the film linked at the beginning of this thread, and read the whole thread, I think much of this material has been covered before.

Sorry for the confusion.

Peter