Gray Tube Replication

[nat1971a]

sounds like you need to download the latest version of adobe acrobat from Adobe

[Aaron]

choke & joules

Nat - the wire for the choke that made the silent plasma was regular 23 gauge magnet wire.

Electrotek - I saw your post about the energy for your spark/burst and found what I'm using...it was about what I remembered from the plasma ignition tests:

My HV source is a 47uf cap charged to 160v max and that is dumped into the ignition coil... that is 0.6 joules of storage.

My LV source was charged to 275v/165uf = 6.2 joules of storage

Total into the coil popping demo/magnet popping and pendulum is = 6.8 joules of storage total before discharging.

When I was using a 4000v/2uf cap charged to about 1000v behind the inductor when it discharged from the grids to the rod, that 1000v/2uf was only 1 joule... that plus the 0.6 joules input into the ignition coil was a total of 1.6 joules.

Total energy input into the overall system would need to account for the power supply to charge the cap(s). Will eventually be a totally battery powered oscillator. There isn't much loss charging caps like that.

Anyway, for the actual energy to pop the coil in my demo was 6.8 joules.

If these calculations are incorrect, please let me know.

[ourbobby]

I can't view the PDF says file is corrupt.
One says file is "null"

Working for me, you might have a temporary bandwidth problem. Try again! Worth looking at!

Regards
Rob

[boguslaw]

Aaron,

Can you power a light bulb with CSET ? I mean that green sparks, I wonder if they can have any effect on bulb filament.

[mlurye]

Here is schema the way it supposes to be for inductive load. Aaron you are correct about direction of diode

[Electrotek]

Aaron: Your Joule values are close enough. (One decimal.) Your flash looks better at the end, after a few 'warm up' sparks. I've found that blasting the electrodes improves their operation. There seems to be a tiny spot of burn carbon build up at the arc point. This also increases the pulse compression.

This improved operation after the electrodes have been blasted is also mentioned in Pat. #4845378, which details a pneumatic switch for firing an included pulse forming network, although other switching techniques will also work for that circuit.

[Aaron]

inductive load

Here is schema the way it supposes to be for inductive load. Aaron you are correct about direction of diode

Mlurye,

That is the easiest way I have found and even between the HV cap and that load, the way you show it, there doesn't even have to be a gap there although it can. So 3 points or 2 will work fine.

After more tests, it appears, in my opinion, that this really is the secret to the Gray technology. However, the way that the tube is setup and other components, it just appears that the efficiency of his system is quite a bit higher with everything tuned... cap/coil tuned, super efficient 6khz power supply, etc...

[Aaron]

carbon

Aaron: Your Joule values are close enough. (One decimal.) Your flash looks better at the end, after a few 'warm up' sparks. I've found that blasting the electrodes improves their operation. There seems to be a tiny spot of burn carbon build up at the arc point. This also increases the pulse compression.

This improved operation after the electrodes have been blasted is also mentioned in Pat. #4845378, which details a pneumatic switch for firing an included pulse forming network, although other switching techniques will also work for that circuit.

Hi Electrotek,

I have some carbon on the tips of the carbon rods. Gotta get a carbon resistor and see if my jeweler friend can coat my tips in silver. Maybe will use brass for the rods.

[nat1971a]

Does anyone have any details on the diameter of the floating flux coil?....even if it is a rough guess

[nat1971a]

or more likely does anyone have the outer diameter of the motor case?....from which we can work out the diameter of the floating flux coil

[nat1971a]

ok google came up with the goods....sounds like it was 12 - 13 inches in diameter & 16 inches

[Beshires1]

ok google came up with the goods....sounds like it was 12 - 13 inches in diameter & 16 inches

The commutator of the EMA4 is 8 inches in diameter. this would make the motor casing about 16" in diameter. Also the floating flux field was multiple delay coils located between the rectifing diodes, and the capacitors and spark gaps.That was wound around the motor casing.I hope this helps.

After further investigation Nat your correct the EMA4 is 12 inches.
http://keelynet.com/evgray/118.jpg

[nat1971a]

yes thanks beshires1

As Aaron has advised that the green sparks is being generated by the choke that he was using which is the static floating flux coil in the patent. Then i thought it might be wise to find out what the diameter was. Sounds like it varied some depending on which motor....so anywhere between 12-16 inches
Anyway gives an idea of what was going on.

[nat1971a]

so i guess now the million dollar question is whether these white/green sparks recharge the batteries like gray was saying......he mentioned they recharged in an hour or thereabouts

[Spokane1]

Photo Review of the EMA6 CSET

I've been analyzing the photos of the original CSET that Mark posted. These are very interesting, to say the least.

The first picture (CSET2) shows a discharge on the lower left side. The brightest part seems to be around the 7:00 o'clock area. In the next picture (CSET3) I can see what looks like a faint HV spark at this same spot, but no discharge. All three of the pictures show multiple, puffy discharges between the concentric cylinders. But much more so during the discharge. I wonder if it's possible to produce the Water Sparkplug effect using the heavy current from a battery? Perhaps the battery could be in the position of the second, booster cap. I'll try this when I get around to setting up the circuit.


http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...relectrode.jpg

Dear Electroteck,

It is my understanding that the EMA6 motor was not running at the time these photos were taken - according to GD who took the photos. I suspect that all those fuzzy bright lights are from the flash on his camera. I use to think they were arcs also, so that is why I asked him.

Attached is a drawings of this CSET from what I can make of it by looking at these photos.

Mark McKay