Gray Tube Replication

[boguslaw]

Another kind of capacitor is two jars filled with saline solution - also Tesla patent.

[Aaron]

big caps

Mr. Sherlock,

Is there a reason you need the voltage that high?

You could probably save some good money by getting the same size that Gray used. Two definite references for what he used by his own materials and Bedini's notes are:

4kv @ 4uf
5kv @ 12uf

He may have used others but these sizes were definitely sufficient for the purposes of running the motor.

[Aaron]

negative energy

Electrotek,

In the other Gray thread, you said, "This kind of Radiant Energy is negative, and it flows from a larger diameter conductive surface to a smaller one."

I agree. It flows uphill essentially.

But this is where I see most of the negative energy coming into the system - the carbon resistor.

Even though the LV rod is a +, it when the commutator connects it to the circuit, it is switching on the negative relative to the HV rod. The HV potential is already there. When the LV source is switched in, it is switching on the negative and the negative energy is amplified by moving into a resistor.

As some of the positive potential gets resisted by that resistor and dissipates outwards, incoming negative potential diverges into the circuit at that point of resisitance.

I believe the whole E-amp concept applies to this as described in the Free Energy Generation book by Bearden/Bedini.

[Bodkins]

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[Aaron]

diode effect on Gray Tube

This is a repost from from DavidE's thread:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...positives.html

Do you have any idea how long it takes a diode to shut down when it goes into reverse bias?

Another interpretation I've been considering for 'splitting the positive', is perhaps Gray was referring to how the positive charge gets split into it's electrical and radiant components (or hot/cold electricity).

Although Bearden shows the copper grids as covering the whole spark assembly, Gray's original documents just show them only covering the very positive HV anode. When that diode slams shut, you are essentially separating out positive radiant from positive electrical. The radiant energy then goes through the motor coils and back to ground.

Each diode will have it's own rating on how much reverse is needed to cause it shut and also each will have its own rating on how fast is closes. I don't think closing speed will be much of an issue. Bedini just shows a 5kv diode, which I'm guessing is what Gray moved to after using a triode as a diode.

But the turning off happens in two ways. The diode shutting off plus the commutator disconnecting to physically remove it from the circuit.

The voltage is separated from the current in the tube but I believe this is a different issue from splitting the positive. That would be an effect of splitting the positive on the dual-path method but - splitting the positive this way is the way to get them to separate. I don't see this happening on a single path way.

Also, I don't believe Gray knew all the details on how it worked. He understood the basic concepts. I can't say more on this right now but it will all come out probably in the near future. It will surprise a lot of people.

Gray's patent only shows grids covering HV rod. Bedini's notes showed covering the whole thing. Bedini is one of the most astute observers and sagacious thinkers I've ever met in my life. I believe the actual tubes Gray was using were exactly like his notes depicted. I do not believe he overlooked anything on his analysis multiple times visiting Gray. I believe that when he analyzed the circuits, tubes, motors, etc... that he probably understood how it worked more than Gray. That is only my opinion but based on knowing him for about 9 years.

There is one thing I have a hard time believing is that Bedini shows electrons moving from rods out to grids. I don't know if that is just because of some interesting model back then or if that is what Gray told him.

There have been some ideas about electron cascade in the tube freeing electrons through ionization collision to add to the circuit, but what is the point of adding electrons to a cold circuit? Also, electrons moving from rods to grids is showing that negatively charged electrons are moving towards the ground. If there is any electron movement at all, it would all be moving towards the HV rod to the highest positive potential.

Besides all of this, when the HV moves into a diode that slams shut, that effect will cause the HV cap to discharge FASTER than normal. This has been proven in the water sparkplug thread. Lee showed the speeding up of discharge because of the HV hitting a diode like this.

This is impulse technology anyway and that just makes the discharge more abrupt meaning...how can electron current even start moving to begin with? I don't believe it really does or is so small it is insignificant.

I'll repost this post in the Gray Tube Replication thread. I'll also post a small simple test anyone can do to show the diode effect to themselves and everyone will probably already have the basic parts to do it.

[Inquorate]

Hv caps

I'm going to buy cut window glass, lots of ten inch squares, and put 9 inch Alfoil squares between the glass, and keep going until about 10uf. Should still work out much cheaper.or sheets of metal in a box filled with oil. Cumbersome, but good enough for testing.. So much to do.

[Electrotek]

It's somewhat surprising, but you can actually get more capacitance by using two sheets of glass between each two layers of foil, if you put a few drops of water between the glass. I've tried this with a spark and it does make the spark a little bigger. Water has a much higher dielectric constant than glass, even if it's only a thin layer.

The big breakthrough in capacitors came a few years back, when someone figured out how to make defect free sheets of polypropylene. Now the capacitors on the power poles are much smaller than they used to be. High Voltage polypropylene is available at the office supply store, in the form of crystal clear sheet protectors, and storage tape. This plastic has a K of 2, similar to glass, and the puncture voltage is a few kV *per mill*.

One complete sheet protector between each layer of foil should be more than enough. This'll be a lot smaller and lighter than using glass, and cheaper too.

When you finish your cap stack, press it together a little, then stand it up vertically in a plastic trash can. Then fill it with linseed oil. Then run it for a few minutes at a fairly low voltage, such as from a Micro Wave Oven transformer, without a diode. This will cause it to vibrate enough that all of the air will float out. You could even put a vacuum hose on it, but that's probably not necessary. If you hit the cap with rf, even a tiny air bubble can cause a blow out.

[Inquorate]

Sheet protectors

@ electrotec - Thanks for that info :-)

[Electrotek]

Electrotek,

In the other Gray thread, you said, "This kind of Radiant Energy is negative, and it flows from a larger diameter conductive surface to a smaller one."

I agree. It flows uphill essentially.

But this is where I see most of the negative energy coming into the system - the carbon resistor.

Even though the LV rod is a +, it when the commutator connects it to the circuit, it is switching on the negative relative to the HV rod. The HV potential is already there. When the LV source is switched in, it is switching on the negative and the negative energy is amplified by moving into a resistor.

As some of the positive potential gets resisted by that resistor and dissipates outwards, incoming negative potential diverges into the circuit at that point of resisitance.

I believe the whole E-amp concept applies to this as described in the Free Energy Generation book by Bearden/Bedini.

Aaron:

Yes, the HV potential is already there. As the main capacitor charges, the negative pole is connected to the grid, through the recovery battery. This allows the potential to build, relative to the HV anode in the Tube, which is always connected to the cap.

Tesla was very fond of using carbon with Radiant Energy. There's something about the lattice structure which breaks up the potential into many different frequencies, having many simultaneous waveforms. This produces a type of White Field Energy, if it is seen. Also, single layer sheets of carbon called graphene act as miniature particle accelerators, producing hot-carrier emission which releases Radiant Energy. Without the special form of carbon, this effect is still produced, by the potential gradient.

And you're right about the direction of any electron drift, from the grids inwards. Also, videos of the CSET in operation show the arc completely external to the grids' pressure tank.

[Aaron]

Gray Tube Diode Function

[Inquorate]

@ aaron

Thanks for that :-) I know you're having to brow-beat us with this info, but it IS getting through.. I'll try that setup when I get home tonight. :-)

[Aaron]

simple Gray Tube diode test

Thanks for that :-) I know you're having to brow-beat us with this info, but it IS getting through.. I'll try that setup when I get home tonight. :-)

LOL

Try the ignition coil one if you can. The result is much more prominent.

[Bodkins]

dmonarch
I dont what to bore you but if you like crookes watch this stuff i have been doing its all ignition coil stuff
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Always look at nature.

[Aaron]

Radiant Matter

Radiant Matter is a big topic and probably deserves its own thread. If someone wants to start one, I can move the posts from this thread on that topic to a new thread.

My hot water copper pipes are shiny and my cold ones are darker looking. The hot ones are radiating matter away and prevent an accumulation of anything on them.

Anyway, I'd like to keep this thread on topic of replicating the Gray Tube and specific discussion on what I have posted in these messages and the vids.

[Aaron]

another diode point

I apologize I did not make this specific example in clearing up the issue of the diode on the Gray Tube.

The reason that a diode can't work as Gray shows is this:


(-)12VDC(+)-------|<------------- ----------------(+)4000VDC(-)
This is how Gray shows it with the cathode at the LV + side

Both grounds are connected. The gap is the gap.

The diode has the cathode pointing to the + of the LV potential.

What happens is this:

If the diode is like this, how Gray shows...

It is in a CLOSED position. With 12VDC at the cathode and 0V at the annode. There is a higher voltage potential at the cathode and lower at annode so it basically guarantees that it will remain CLOSED and will guarantee that the HV cannot jump the gap into it! So the HV potential cannot jump into it even when the commutator closes to connect the LV potential to the rod.

Then in this case, the 4000vdc can only jump from the rod straight to the grid. This could pulse the magnet but defeats the purpose of of everything else. Bedini even said it will run without the tube, just is stronger with the tube.

Anyway, the previous attempts to duplicate this based on how Gray showed the diode should have been a sign. Any jumping of the HV potential would have been straight to the grids. I think this would be very clear to anyone now that it is pointed out. Anyone that duplicated this concept - I know a few attempts that are published online and claimed they go it, well, lol, this is like smoking gun evidence that they did not get the real effect. The couldn't not have. Any light show they saw was simply HV discharge directly to grids. It would never have seen any path to ground via the diode and LV side because it doesn't exist with the cathode on the LV+ side.

In previous examples I said if the diode was turned around like Gray showed, that there would be problems. What I realize really is what I explained above. 12v on cathode and 0v on annode. Well, the diode cannot conduct the HV to the LV + at all in this condition and will never jump the gap every. It will simply jump straight to the grids.

By this alone, I believe this is sufficient enough to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Gray's schematic is wrong - even though I already experimentally verified that the cathode must be towards the gap.