Gray Tube Replication

[nat1971a]

Here's a brief video of my hybrid circuit. It is mostly grays circuit with Tesla's disruptive discharge coil added and the thyratron on the LV side with carbon with holes in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8KZU-rO_7M

[nat1971a]

Aaron / ALL,

I will release my circuit under the following conditions & strategies:-

1. To protect my safety.
2. To prevent the technology from being lost
3. This circuit is copyrighted
4. This circuit and any variation of it may be constructed for home use only and can not be on sold
5. This circuit may not be commercialised, sold for profit without my written consent
6. Experiment with this circuit at your own risk. It may cause severe injuries or death. I will accept no responsibility if you build it and experiment on it.

I will post the circuit soon. I need to triple check it first. I have not noticed anything dangerous about it yet

Regards,
Nat

[gmeat]

Hi Nat,


Is it possible that you could show a little more in your next video.You're not making yourself to clear in that last video you posted.I don't mean to criticize you or your work and I respect your work as I've been following some of your work for what seems like a couple of years now.Thx with all due respect .



-Gary

[nat1971a]

Here's my circuit attached in 2 documents.
Apologies for the poor diagrams, but i am very time poor.

Please replicate and confirm findings.

Cheers
Nat

[nat1971a]

i will make another video soon..really busy...

[Guest]

What will you show in your video? I'd request to see your system
organized in a presentable way; the only reason being - to show the
overunity effect it must be demonstrated onscreen with a clear
picture of how the event is occurring.

[nat1971a]

YouTube - Update 40 - EV Gray Tesla / disruptive discharge hybrid circuit PART 2

More info....you will have to bear with me...really busy

[nat1971a]

Guys
Apologies if I am not very clear at the moment as my wife and I just had a baby on Friday and they are both in the hospital. I haven't slept very well for two days and am exhausted

But having said that how much does my circuit deviate from grays patent. I am the only person on this thread who is experimenting with thyratrons. I have followed the patent circuit as close as I can but the most. Important part the circuit for controlling the thyratrons is missing. Why is that do you think?

I am now calling for replications. I have never ever requested this.

[Aaron]

thyratron

Nat,

Congratulations on the baby!

When Mcgratten first put out his report after Peter released his
book way back, many of us experimented with thyratrons. I still
have one or two around here somewhere. What part # is yours?

The thyratron is used as a diode without a trigger - that is why
you don't need a control circuit. The control circuit is the
commutator. When commutator makes contact, the thyratron
is just a diode.

I'll have to double check, but I recall that it was something like
this.

[nat1971a]

Thanks Arron,

Please find attached the instructions i got with the thyratron. It is in russian. I bought 4 of them off ebay a couple of years ago for about $2.50


VINTAGE RUSSIAN THYRATRON Tube TG1-0.1/0.3 NOS Tested#1

Cheers
Nat

[nat1971a]

Hey they are still selling them on ebay

VINTAGE RUSSIAN THYRATRON Tube TG1-0.1/0.3 NOS Tested#1 | eBay

[nat1971a]

Guys,

I have never been in this for the money. It has always been about the quest for finding this fabled radiant energy.

So If a replication is proved successful i would like to propose that anyone on this forum who contributes to proving this technology and contributing to its development will become a partner entitled to profit sharing. I hope this isnt against forum rules? I was thinking this thread could become the R&D centre for radiant energy research. Unfortunately the world we live in requires us to pay mortgages, pay bills and feed baby's etc.

I think it is also fitting that royalties get paid to industry giants such as john bedini, peter lindemann, Arron etc. I hope i havent left anyone out on this list. Their contributions over the years have been incredible.

It's probably way to early to be discussing this but anyway i thought i would mention it.


Cheers
Nat

[citfta]

Some thyratron info

Hi Nat,

You have posted some interesting info so far. Thanks. Here is some info I found on pulse forming thyratrons I thought might be interesting to you.

Thyratron definition of Thyratron in the Free Online Encyclopedia.

Also congratulations on the new baby! If you think you are tired now wait until the little one gets sick in the middle of the night and you have to go to work the next day. Just remember most of us have been there too and we survived.

Please keep posting your ideas and videos.

C ya, Carroll

[nat1971a]

Thanks citfta,

My wife and baby are coming home today from the hospital. So my experimenting and videos may come to a grinding halt.

I contacted the seller of the thyratrons on ebay and have been advised that it contains argon gas.

regards,
Nat

[Spokane1]

E.V.Gray Technoloy & Thyratrons

Gentlemen,

When John Bedini and Ron Cole first met Gray in 1973 there was a technical need for the switching of high voltage with moderate currents. Mr Cole recommended the use of a Thyratron, which was the component of choice at that time. Gray didn't know what a Thyratron was (at that time).

Seven years later, when Gray was attempting to make his second come back (1980) after stealing away in the middle of the night (again) with stolen hardware from his last investor (Russel Audrey of Kalona, Iowa) he set up shop in Canyon country, CA under the name American Medical Supply. Richard Hackenberger had already died of sudden pneumonia. Gray hired a string of off the street technicians hoping to find one that would "fix" the near completed Blue Engine with out telling them how it worked or what it really did. (Good Luck on that approach)

Nelson "Rocky" Schlaft was hired near the end of 1980. Gray took a liking to him and fired the three other technicians that were on the staff at the time. (Actually one technician and two non-technical helpers)

According to Mr. Schlaft, when he started working for Gray the previous technician was using Thyratrons to trigger the motors. These tubes were driven with smaller vacuum tubes. "Rocky" then redesigned the whole system according to his ideas using higher current Ignitrons that were driven from the supply voltage via voltage regulated Zenar Diodes. He then proceeded to throw out all the previous Thyratron circuits.

From his account it sounded like there was more than one old system to be disposed of. So there the reported events sat until I realized several years later that the previous technicians only had about 6 months (at the most) to develop these complex Thyratrons switching systems, including their design, parts procurement, construction, and trouble shooting. I don't believe this was possible with the degree of technical skills described. It seems the previous technicians were actively focused on reducing EMI, after Grays' bad experience with the FCC in 1978. If these technicians had developed these circuits in the first place then the EMI issue would have been addressed during the initial design, not after complete construction.

My conclusion is that all of the Pulse Motors that Gray took out of storage employed Thyratron switching systems. However, Mr. Schlaft reported that a number of the power transformers were missing.

I'm not so sure about the "Blue" Free-Energy Engine that was made in 1979, but I would tender there was a 50% chance that it had Thyratrons as well.
Richard Hackenberger was probably hoping for a 100% solid state solution but the PIV rating of affordable solid state devices was probably not within the funding range of the late 70's investor.

My contention is that the Thyratrons were used as a purely classical HV switching means. The non-classical process took place elsewhere in the engine. My proposal is the stretched arc, which is a fairly complex process that needs a lot of further experimental workup before I get to stand on my soap box.

Anyway this is all I know about Gray and Thyratrons. I wish I had more details to share.

Additional New Information:

Al Francoeur has the E1 (aka "Brown" or "Gold") Pulse Motor in his shop. He has traced a major portion of the wires and I have sorted them out into schematics. Now this original Pulse Motor was reworked by Mr. Schlaft in 1980. To the best of my historical understanding (subject to change with new information) the E1 Pulse Motor was built in about 1962. Never the less here are some details of what is existing today on the E1 pulse Motor Cart:

1. The equipment is organized into about 5 sub-systems that are electrically independent of each other. Interconnections are made through a number of high current pin and jack connections. This is odd. Those jacks are not cheap and took some time to install. If the Pulse motor design were finalized then all of these movable connections would have been hard wired for a lot less money. I propose that some kind of connection/terminal existed at these locations and Mr. Schlaft felt compelled to upgrade then. This would be consistent with these early pulse motors being development prototypes and experimental test beds.

2. The Pulse Motor proper is one sub-system. It is composed of all the Stator electromagnets, all the Rotor electromagnets, and the two slip ring assemblies. All of the electromagnets are connected in parallel.

3. There are six Ignitrons total in two banks of three. Each Ignitron is fired separately. There are two banks of storage capacitors. The first input bank is composed of two each 50 uF 5KV capacitors wired in parallel (Total of 100 uF). The second bank is composed of 4 each 50 uF Capacitors (200 uF Total). The 100 uF bank of capacitors are in shunt with the 5KV input supply (external source) and seems to be acting as a power supply input filter. The first set of Ignitrons are sequentially fired to transfer charge from the 100 uF bank of capacitors to the second 200uF bank of capacitors. The charging Ignitrons are fired twice per revolution. These two charging pulses are only 40 degrees apart and are controlled by contacts on the commutator. After one charging Ignitron is fired twice then the next one is fired twice. All of the switched current goes to the same 200 uF capacitor bank

4. The second set of three Ignitrons discharge the 200 uF bank of capacitors into the Rotor/Stator sub-system. Each Ignitron in this bank is fired every 120 degrees of rotation. Thus there are three power pulses per revolution with the stored energy being taken from the same 200 uF capacitor bank.

5, There is, on board, a massive diode. 4" wide 2" Thick and 24" long. The name plate indicates it is rated at 24KV PIV at 600 Amps. This diode and an associated current meter are a separate sub-assembly.

6. Included in this equipment collection was a separate DC to DC converter (24VDC to 3KV DC). This appears to be a custom made circuit that seems similar to a chopper design that employs a number of Transistors connected in parallel. (More Later)

The 64 million $ question is "How much of this setup is original and how much is from the 1980 retro fit"? Even though this was an early Pulse Motor prototype (not to be confused with the later Free-Energy Engines) it still has some foundations of the non-classical process that was to be discovered in (or around) 1964.

Why Mr. Schlaft was charging one larger capacitor bank from a smaller one is beyond me. Unless that is the architecture that already existed with the Thyratrons and he was just following the same path with upgraded components?(I have my doubts about this theory) I just don't know. In running some preliminary LTC Spice IV simulations it appears to be a poor means of transferring energy and it takes a lot of power. Something is wrong here. No wonder it took 10 KVA to run one retro-fitted pulse motor with no load

As it was there are 15 control points on the commutator. Mr. Schlaft elected to re-use only 9 of them. What were the other 6 originally used for?

If only this old equipment could talk

Mark McKay,PE