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The most fundamental issue regarding all seemingly OU systems is that there MUST be at least TWO separate energy flows, whereby one flow comes for free and the other one is used to influence the energy flow that comes for free. The law of conservation of energy is a fundamental one and it does hold.
So, in whatever machine is created that appears to generate energy out of nothing, there is an energy source that is being tapped.
One of the most simple free energy system are the commercially available heat pumps, which are used to extract heat out of the earth. The trick is that it takes less energy to operate the energy pump than the amount of energy which is extracted in the form of heat out of the earth.
For electro-magnetic systems, the interesting fact described by Prof. Turtur ( http://www.gsjournal.net/old/physics/turtur1e.pdf ) is that both the electrostatic and magnetic fields are powered by charge carriers, electrons in practice, which convert energy out of the medium into these fields. So, there you have your energy source. Both the magnetic and electric fields can be considered to be energy sources, because they are powered by the medium or the vacuum in Bearden's terms.
Now in a closed electric system, there is a fixed amount of electrons (even though these can probably be created at will, which appears to actually happen in the heated element of a radio tube, but that's another story), which means that however you let these electrons flow in/out your battery, you can never gain energy, unless you manage to tap it from some other energy source.
So, as long as you keep thinking in terms of charging/discharging coil (windings) as isolated systems, there ain't no way you can account for any surplus energy. And that is the reason I said your witch sucked.
However, when you have two separate energy flows, you can use one energy flow to influence the other, without paying for that in terms of energy, except for some losses. And since mother nature always strives to return balance, all you need to do is bring a dynamic balanced system out of balance in order for some energy flow to do useful work.
The bad news is that this will always cost you some energy, but as long as at the end of the line you manage to get more energy back from mother nature as the energy you have to spend in order to get it, all is nice and well.
It definitely helps a lot to start studying a system with a PM stator, because then you know that the PM field does not vary (much) in strength, which makes it possible to recognize that there are two interacting magnetic fields. One created by your stator and one by your rotor coils.
However, the principle that a magnetic field can be amplified and guided by an iron core also applies to electro-magnetic stators. If they are D.C., then the same line of reasoning still applies. If they are A.C., things get more complicated, but if a large part of the magnetic field trough the rotor originates from the stator magnets and it is to a large degree only re-directed from one pole to the next by your rotor coil, then the energy flows can probably still be considered to be separate to a large degree.
However, there are still a lot of questions about how magnetic fields behave in an iron core. Leedskalnin's perpetual motion holder demonstrates that even when the coil around a closed-loop iron core is being disconnected from a battery, the magnetism can remain inside the core.
Edward Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder
And in one of his lectures (iirc together with Carlson), Eric Dollard shows that we still do not really understand how a transformer actually works. If the magnetic field stays within the core, how can it influence a coil wrapped around it?
It appears to me that the answer is to be found once again in balance v.s. disbalance. I suspect that the magnetic field inside an iron core only interacts with it's environment (like a coil) when there is some disbalance being introduced, either by a coil or by ripping the iron core apart, such as in the Leedskalnin experiment.
So, in whatever machine is created that appears to generate energy out of nothing, there is an energy source that is being tapped.
One of the most simple free energy system are the commercially available heat pumps, which are used to extract heat out of the earth. The trick is that it takes less energy to operate the energy pump than the amount of energy which is extracted in the form of heat out of the earth.
For electro-magnetic systems, the interesting fact described by Prof. Turtur ( http://www.gsjournal.net/old/physics/turtur1e.pdf ) is that both the electrostatic and magnetic fields are powered by charge carriers, electrons in practice, which convert energy out of the medium into these fields. So, there you have your energy source. Both the magnetic and electric fields can be considered to be energy sources, because they are powered by the medium or the vacuum in Bearden's terms.
Now in a closed electric system, there is a fixed amount of electrons (even though these can probably be created at will, which appears to actually happen in the heated element of a radio tube, but that's another story), which means that however you let these electrons flow in/out your battery, you can never gain energy, unless you manage to tap it from some other energy source.
So, as long as you keep thinking in terms of charging/discharging coil (windings) as isolated systems, there ain't no way you can account for any surplus energy. And that is the reason I said your witch sucked.
However, when you have two separate energy flows, you can use one energy flow to influence the other, without paying for that in terms of energy, except for some losses. And since mother nature always strives to return balance, all you need to do is bring a dynamic balanced system out of balance in order for some energy flow to do useful work.
The bad news is that this will always cost you some energy, but as long as at the end of the line you manage to get more energy back from mother nature as the energy you have to spend in order to get it, all is nice and well.
I still see that You are looking at my System as a "Handicap" by Permanent Magnet Stators "Limited" use, as the "Only Way Out" / Not Scalable"...System...
However, the principle that a magnetic field can be amplified and guided by an iron core also applies to electro-magnetic stators. If they are D.C., then the same line of reasoning still applies. If they are A.C., things get more complicated, but if a large part of the magnetic field trough the rotor originates from the stator magnets and it is to a large degree only re-directed from one pole to the next by your rotor coil, then the energy flows can probably still be considered to be separate to a large degree.
However, there are still a lot of questions about how magnetic fields behave in an iron core. Leedskalnin's perpetual motion holder demonstrates that even when the coil around a closed-loop iron core is being disconnected from a battery, the magnetism can remain inside the core.
Edward Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder
Researchers have continued to be interested in this device because it defies natural laws of physics and is unexplainable by conventionally excepted electromagnetic theory.
It appears to me that the answer is to be found once again in balance v.s. disbalance. I suspect that the magnetic field inside an iron core only interacts with it's environment (like a coil) when there is some disbalance being introduced, either by a coil or by ripping the iron core apart, such as in the Leedskalnin experiment.
US Patent 3,890,548 Edwin Gray "Pulsed Capacitor Discharge Electric Engine"
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Gray/...US3890548A.pdf
At first glance, it looks like the asymmetry is in the 3 pole rotor, but here you do not have a more or less continuous path for the magnetic field to follow trough the rotor.
However, the magnetic field must go somewhere and tends to establish a closed loop. It appears that mother nature does us a favor under certain conditions, which is that a magnetic field is amplified by an iron core, because charge carriers do extract energy from the aether and emit that in the shape of a magnetic field. So, it appears that we have a principle by which to extract energy from the aether by means of the establishment of a closed magnetic loop.
On the rotor there are two sets of magnets in line, which both consist of a major and a minor magnet.
One could guess that these sets are fired in the opposite polarity and thus a magnetic field can establish itself inside the rotor, along the length of the rotor.
The question is: how are the major and minor magnets fired with respect to one another and at what moment in the cycle are they fired?
Another question is: could it be that we are looking at the superposition of a D.C., quasi permanent, attracting magnetic field, which is disturbed at the moment the coils fire?
Update: According to the patent description, the major and minor coils are fired independently, and always either the major or the minor coils, at the moments they face one another. So there goes my theory of major/minor coils having something to do with Wheatstone's delay of a high-speed pulse....
Update 2: It appears that if the minor coils fire at 13 1/3 degrees from the top position in the figure, that it may possibly induce an attracting force between the major cores 120a and 121. Have to think about this further, because you also have the pairs along the length section. One would expect mother nature to find the shortest closed loops that it can find, so it can create attracting forces....
Update 3: The degrees at which the coils fire are visible in the figure. It appears as though the minor coils are producing distracting "pushing" forces because they are fired while the cores face one another directly, while the major coils produce an attracting force, because these are not directly over one another at 26 2/3 degrees.
If that is correct, the power is developed by the major attracting coils, while the minor coils are meant to push the rotor over the dead points, whereby the energy spend in the minor coils is mostly losses (except if they indeed already pre-magnetize the major coils), while the major coils can show a gain along the principle extrapolated from Leedskalnin's experiment (see below). If that is correct, one would expect the major coils to be somehow discharged/demagnetized at around 40 degrees in the cycle.
The latter is possible, because if the major coil fires at the point the major coils enter contact, you get a build up of magnetic force in some closed loop, until the major coils face one another completely. From that moment, the field starts collapsing, producing a BEMF, which may generate a high voltage, which can be discharged trough a spark gap, so the attracting force is neutralized an cannot hinder the further rotation of the rotor. IIRC, there is an "overshoot" spark gap somewhere in the design...
From the figure, it appears as though the major an minor coils fire almost at the same time after all...
And if there is to be a closed magnetic loop trough the rotor, one would expect two of the major coils to have the same polarity, while one has an opposing polarity and/or the two sets of coils along the length direction having an opposite polarity. I would guess the latter to be the case....
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