Gray Tube Replication

[Beshires1]

Aaron you might try to source some DC electric motor brushes for a carbon block large enough to drill and use. Also you could modify a spark plug. By carefully cutting off the metal (threaded part and hex sides) the electrode is encased in ceramic. the electrode is in two pieces a hardened steel on the top (where the wire connects) and separated by carbon the electrode tip is I guess tungsten. (Its non Magnetic).

[Jetijs]

I would use a carbon resistor to see the difference of that as well but couldn't get any large enough diameter carbon rod to drill out and slip over the rod.

The sae here, I also did not find any carbon rods big enough in diameter to use for my Gray tube project. I had to work whit what I had - a carbon rod from a 1.5V cylinder battery, it is 8mm in diameter. But I think that Beshires1 is right, because you can get much bigger pieced of carbon from motor brushes
Also thank you for your summary, lust like Greg, I finnaly understood what you mean when you say that the high voltage actually goes through the diode. And the analogy with the compressed baloon is great, makes sense to me This is exciting.

[Aaron]

Gray Tube concept demo

I posted this vid last night from some clips I shot right after I made that tube. I have more but they're all unorganized so for. I'll post more later.

Here is one:
YouTube - Gray Tube Demonstration Proof of Concept

That shows the HV moving backwards through the diode back to ground.

Jetijs, you can do this very, very simple test. On ANY spark plug circuit you make..plasma or not... from the ground of the spark plug, which goes back to ground....in between the plug ground and ground of the circuit...place a HV diode right there with the cathode touching the ground of the plug... some would think it would never run but if you do that, you'll see that the HV has no problem getting to ground going backwards through the diode.

Anyway, enjoy the vid and I hope it is useful. I originally did that particular vid because I saw comments in other forums about Luc's spark method claiming that the HV jumps the gap first, ionizes the air then the caps discharge over the gap. They didn't realize that actually it jumps backwards through the diode from the caps seeking ground since it is a lower resistance path...then the diode shuts off and it has nowhere to go but the spark gap on the plug.

Even in the Suckewer and NASA patents, etc... and other plasma patents with the mixing of HV and LV, it is apparent none of them understand what is happening here....or they do but they simply don't want people to know what the deal is.

Thanks you both for the tips on the carbon blocks on motor brushes.

[Beshires1]

Aaron ,
This may sound stupid of me to ask, But do you send the high voltage AC (from the transformer)through a bridge rectifier and then send the High voltage DC into the tube as Gray states he does in the patents? If I can remember correctly the RMS Output from a transformer is multiplied X 1.414 to give you the DC output. And I don't think any transformer this includes ignition coils outputs DC current unless it has a built in bridge rectifier, or power inverter.The reason I ask is I haven't seen any vids from anyone showing this.

[Aaron]

transformer charging

Hi Beshires,

Yes with the cap discharge into the tube. I have dumped up to 1000v into it. Wall AC into microwave transformer, HV output through bridge for HV DC. That HV DC charges cap bank and the positive of that cap bank is attached to the HV rod in the tube. The circuit is connected with a copper switch on the negative side between the low voltage source negative and the hv cap bank negative. When that switch is connected, hv cap bank jumps gap into the diode towards lv source and back to hv cap ground.

If the grid is connected to coil and coil goes back to ground - by one of several possible way (direct to hv neg, on neg of lv source, etc...) then as soon as switch is connected the hv potential quickly causes diode to slam shut then take the route to the grids, through inductor back to ground.

IF that hv source actually has some charge like the booster cap in the water sparkplug circuit, then that LV source [may] discharge over the grid through inductor and back to ground giving a super enhanced effect. It is possible Gray's battery on the low voltage side followed the HV but again, I have had the bare basic small effect of pulsing the coil and repelling a magnet (coil that had a core on it - magnet is regular rectangle ceramic magnet) - and there was nothing in the lv side...just an empty polarized cap.

With ignition coil discharge into the tube it is just like in the video.

[Aaron]

hv diode

And I don't think any transformer this includes ignition coils outputs DC current unless it has a built in bridge rectifier, or power inverter.

I have had the same results having a HV diode coming out of the ignition coil HV...I didn't see a difference.

[nat1971a]

YouTube - TESLA'S RADIANT ENERGY WIRELESS TRANSMISSION - UPDATE 19 /EDWIN GRAY HYBRID CIRCUIT


This is a hybrid edwin gray / tesla wireless transmission system.....

conversion tube lights cfls wirelessly!!

[Jules Tresor]

Very good explanation Aaron !

Hi Aaron,

Congratulations for your latest videos and work on Edwin Gray's tubes !

Your explanation is great !

However I have a question:
Why don't we put the diode INSIDE the grids to collect the slaming of the HV ?
Must the diode(s) be placed parallel to the grid ?
Is it a modification that could improve the Plasma Spark Plug system ?

Illustrated on this drawing:
http://tesla3.com/energy/images/zpe_...mpression1.gif

Thanks for your hard work!

MDG

[Beshires1]

stephenafreter

However I have a question:
Why don't we put the diode INSIDE the grids to collect the slaming of the HV ?
Must the diode(s) be placed parallel to the grid ?
Is it a modification that could improve the Plasma Spark Plug system ?

I think it can be explained this way. The low voltage potential is present on both sides of the diode. The high voltage sees the low voltage potential as a path to ground and jumps the gap to the low V electrode. The diode slams shut, the Spark then jumps to the grid seeking the next available ground source (through the motor coils). This action is suppose to provide the low voltage potential a path to follow to the grids. The low voltage spark is harder to start and generally requires help such as the spark created when contact points break a circuit. The high voltage doesn't energize the motor coil, its the attached low voltage potiental that does the work.The diode can be two feet from the tube, setting there like a glass full to the rim of cold water, If you try to pour in some hot water, warm water will overflow the sides of the glass. This happens at the top, open end of the glass of cold water not the bottom. Do you see my point?

[boguslaw]

stephenafreter


I think it can be explained this way. The low voltage potential is present on both sides of the diode. The high voltage sees the low voltage potential as a path to ground and jumps the gap to the low V electrode. The diode slams shut, the Spark then jumps to the grid seeking the next available ground source (through the motor coils). This action is suppose to provide the low voltage potential a path to follow to the grids. The low voltage spark is harder to start and generally requires help such as the spark created when contact points break a circuit. The high voltage doesn't energize the motor coil, its the attached low voltage potiental that does the work.The diode can be two feet from the tube, setting there like a glass full to the rim of cold water, If you try to pour in some hot water, warm water will overflow the sides of the glass. This happens at the top, open end of the glass of cold water not the bottom. Do you see my point?

The most important question is now : did Gray used the same circuit for power small TV set as for his motor ?

If so then your assumption is correct, but if he used some special or additional element for powering TV from his tube then your assumption is completely wrong and he utilized radiant energy.

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION NOW, because it could explain the if cold electricity is the same which Tesla discovered and all pieces should "click" in proper positions into this puzzle set.

[boguslaw]

Hi Aaron,

Congratulations for your latest videos and work on Edwin Gray's tubes !

Your explanation is great !

However I have a question:
Why don't we put the diode INSIDE the grids to collect the slaming of the HV ?
Must the diode(s) be placed parallel to the grid ?
Is it a modification that could improve the Plasma Spark Plug system ?

Illustrated on this drawing:
http://tesla3.com/energy/images/zpe_...mpression1.gif

Thanks for your hard work!

MDG

I proposed some time ago that Gray tube could be done as a one element tube. Now I think that it was done and such vacuum tube existed ! Maybe it is even available somehow today as a part for old radar equipment ???

[zpf69]

Relaxation time and materials

I had been reading, studing, and expermienting for quite a while now and it seems to me that the carbon on the LV side is to slow down the relaxation time. Lets say for instance, that we have an extremelly fast relaxation time material (coper) on the HV side and a slow relaxation time material (iron) on the LV side. When a spark happens it will take a diferential time from one side to potentialize with respect to the other. If the time it takes is less than the reaction time of the reversed biased diode, then conduction will not happen at all on the LV side. Nevertheless, the spark has been initiated and electrons have been accelerated, and then stopped (slammed) against the LV electrode. At that point, i would not be surprised if one or more electrons dissociate and a very strong scalar wave is formed. As the scalar wave crosses the cooper collection grid the electrons on the copper get potentialised and start flowing. It would be like a small nuclear explosion.

There is a lot of expermientation to verify that what I am saying is true or not, and of course to find the real process. Anyways, I thought I might be able to contribute a little. I like very much this forum, and I bveleive that these is the best way of going about new energy.

[Aaron]

Gray Tube Test

Here is a video around the same time that I finished that tube.

YouTube - Gray Tube Test

It is similar to Luc's water sparkplug circuit.

[Aaron]

Gray circuits

Hi MDG,

I think Beshires may have answered it along the lines of how I see it.

Also, with the TV cirucits, etc... that Gray powered, Imhotep's project is the closest to what he was doing. I would highly recommend anyone pay close attention to what is happening in both of Imhotep's threads.

The application of that in relation to the Gray tube for powering a motor in my opinion is that the HV cap is radiantly charged like a kicker coil charging a cap. The discharge from radiantly charged caps are MUCH MUCH different and more powerful than a cap charged hot.

The Imhotep circuits I believe are along the lines of how Gray was charging the HV cap.

If electrons on the grid come into play, if they start moving, they would be moving towards the rods to go towards a positive potential. I don't know if electron movement is even necessary.

[Beshires1]

Aaron Murakami

Have you tried to energize a small coil? I am planning on removing the cover from a accessory relay, and attaching the output from the grids, to the connectors across the coil. Grid to 85 and 86 to ground. Removing the relays cover will give you a visual, and make this easier to document on video. My progress is slow write now. I have to get another ignition coil, the 30 year old one I had is dying. Would you care to try this and post the results? By the way great videos! It sounds like you are using a emergency flasher to pulse the ignition coil?