Gray Tube Replication

[zpf69]

On Carbon Rods

McMaster Carr carries grphite gouging rods. Thoes should be relativelly easy to form (dril and cut). They are britle though.

[Aaron]

gap size

What is the gap distance between the LV-HV anode in the tube. Has anyone seen the microfusion reactor by a carbon rod?

I don't recall if this was specified in the patents. What I'm doing is pushing them together until they touch using a continuity meter to see that. Then I simply pull one of the rods just barely out until continuity is broken. Fraction of a millimeter in my tube.

[Aaron]

resistor purpose

I beleive the resistor is there to introduce a diefference in relaxation time, thus in effect creating an asymetry with respect to time. Nature should move in an try to fill the difference and in the process absord energy from the surrounding. I will be honest thogh I do not have experimental evidence as of yet.

Thanks for the tip on the gouging rods.

With relaxation time - do you mean in offsetting the timing of when the diode shuts off?

[zpf69]

Relaxation Time

What I mean with relaxation time is the time it takes copper to be pontentialized to the point when electrons start moving, and the time it takes for the electrons in the carbon to start moving. Look for relaxation time of both materials. Like before I compared the relaxation time of copper, iron, aluminum. Relaxation time is the time it takes for electron to rise in potential and start conducting. Potential happens instantaneouslly.

[Guest]

Back again after a weekend not so restful....

However, my mind as usual filling up with new ideas.. I get the idea about using iron inside the Gray tube to produce the microbeads, Iron is a good magnetic amplifier and the tread from the Tube should maybe also be iron considering we are using a magnetocurrent? Anyone tried that? Result?

Soon, we will get there. Then, anyone has equations for the volume of material we should use in the tube?

[Inquorate]

Email correspondence

Re the Cset:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/MKay5.pdf

[Aaron]

Mark McKay's doc

Hi Inquorate,

I see that doc from Mark McKay, thanks. I met him about 7 years ago right when Peter's book came out. Gary McGratten connected him with me after his claims of replication. Turned out McKay lives in my town. One of my best friends has known him and his family for years. Years after this Peter finally met Mark McKay and they have documented a bunch of Gray stuff that most people don't know about...history, etc..

Anyway, in that doc, you can see the diode cathode is pointing away from the HV rod. Nobody is building it correctly. I'll email Mark today and point out my vids because until people get the diode right, it is all an effort in futility.

[Jetijs]

Aaron, have you made any progress with your conversion tube experiments?

[Aaron]

Gray Tube progress

Hi Jetijs,

I haven't had time to do anything with it.

What I want to do next is to crank up what I'm dumping from the HV side. I think something like what is in the Imhotep thread is what will work best. The biggest cap I have is 4kv 4uf. I have two. One I'll use as the HV source and the second one I'll use on the backside of the load for safety so the output doesn't accidentely explode a battery.

I think a commutator that switches the LV on at TDC of the magnet(s) of the rotor will work. By the time the event happens, it will only be barely past TDC and the pulse on the coil will repel it. I guess depending on the delay, it could be before TDC. But if it works at TDC just fine just to turn a wheel for bare minimum proof of concept, then TDC will make a pendulum work the same on the swing in both directions.

It is interesting the threads by Imhotep and Luc's kickoff on the water sparkplug concept. The reason it is interesting to me is because the relay oscillator was kind of an attempt to replicate Gray's chopper circuit to charge the HV cap. And it seems Gray may have moved towards high power Mallory ignition coils powered by high frequency oscillator CDI discharges to charge the HV cap radiantly...plus the water sparkplug diode concept like on the Gray Tube. The synchronicities are absolutely incredible from my perspective.

I just posted a few things here:
Directory:EV Gray - PESWiki

Pretty much what is already here.

Anyway, I think if anyone wants to just get started with this. Build a simple tube, do the diode right and discharge some HV into it so that it moves to the diode, diode shuts off and the potential then jumps to the grids second.

Just doing that is a BIG step because in the last 7 years I have not seen anyone do that other than the simple demo I showed in my vid. Many attempts are to get some invisible stuff going to the grids from regular hv sparks. What goes to the grids is supposed to be anything other than invisible. It should be quite a bright effect.

In my vid, it was just an elongated spark. I want at least a couple thousand volts and 1-2 uf's.

[Aaron]

Mark McKay - Edwin Gray Docs

Re the Cset:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/MKay5.pdf

If anyone wants to see the other McKay docs, just replace that 5 in the link with 1 then 2 etc... until there are no more. It is a good series of docs.

[Aaron]

Splitting the Positive

In McKay's doc #6

Page 6 right above the pics, on Splitting the Positive, Mark Gray (Ed Gray's son) was talking to his dad and Ed Gray said:

"The energy starts from the positive terminal [of the storage battery/dipole] then part of it goes back to the supply battery and part of it goes to the load."

This confirms what my belief on splitting the positive has always been. The part that goes to the supply battery is the first bit of HV potential that moves into the OPEN diode to the LV source, which is the supply battery. Then, when the diode closes, the rest goes to the load. But I think it is more than just "the rest of it". With the diode slamming shut like that, the HV potential from the HV cap is able do discharge QUICKER like I believe Lee showed in the water sparkplug thread. Plus there are other things about this mechanism that are happening that I don't believe Gray knew.

If the cathode of the triode was like Gray indicated in the patent, then ALL of the HV would have went to the battery, blowing it up, destroying the triode possibly, etc... basically everything would go there except what wouldn't make it through becuase of parts failing in the process...then some of it might make it to the grids.

[boguslaw]

Aaron,

What still bothering me is the commutator. Why did he used it if diode slams voltage potential ? Or maybe for vacuum diode it was required for initializing it ? It still looks like a mystery.Meanwhile I have quite different concept about it but I must confess that your theory looks more plausible, which doesn't mean it's 100% correct.
That commutator I struggled with and I found the same part in Tesla patent for device utilizing radiant energy 685957.

What if Gray tube is really a special capacitor, charged from inside by a radiant energy and discharged through secondary circuit by commutator ? That would explain (the same way as other theories of course )why positive is split : one part is going across diode to commutator and then cut by commutator and most by diode, second part is going the other direction - across grids and load to the commutator and through it to the spark gap again - and probably MEET the second discharge coming from HV positive terminal !

WOW! Maybe the frequency of occurring discharge MUST be synchronized with the width of the working circuit with load to LET two positive spark meet at spark gap ????
That would indicate that Gray tube is a capacitor discharging positive potential like in Tesla patent, but the actual COLLISION of two positive sparks may be the reason why energy is multiplied.

First of all we need a working replication and you are very close to it.Can't wait for your next video !

[boguslaw]

Aaron,

What still bothering me is the commutator. Why did he used it if diode slams voltage potential ? Or maybe for vacuum diode it was required for initializing it ? It still looks like a mystery.Meanwhile I have quite different concept about it but I must confess that your theory looks more plausible, which doesn't mean it's 100% correct.
That commutator I struggled with and I found the same part in Tesla patent for device utilizing radiant energy 685957.

What if Gray tube is really a special capacitor, charged from inside by a radiant energy and discharged through secondary circuit by commutator ? That would explain (the same way as other theories of course )why positive is split : one part is going across diode to commutator and then cut by commutator and most by diode, second part is going the other direction - across grids and load to the commutator and through it to the spark gap again - and probably MEET the second discharge coming from HV positive terminal !

WOW! Maybe the frequency of occurring discharge MUST be synchronized with the width of the working circuit with load to LET two positive spark meet at spark gap ????
That would indicate that Gray tube is a capacitor discharging positive potential like in Tesla patent, but the actual COLLISION of two positive sparks may be the reason why energy is multiplied.

First of all we need a working replication and you are very close to it.Can't wait for your next video !

Oops, sorry : I meant : Maybe the frequency of occurring discharge MUST be synchronized with the length of the working circuit plus load , to LET two positive spark meet at spark gap ????

[Aaron]

solid state tube vs with commutator

Hey Boguslaw,

If the commutator isn't there, it would just pulse off/on as fast as the cap can charge. That would simply be a solid state higher frequency method with the tube. With the commutator, it will only pulse when needed by timing it with a magnet or coil on a rotor.

Two positive voltages definitely collide but I don't believe that is what causes the effect. We proved in some of the water sparkplug circuit tests with one single capacitor after the initial discharge into the primary, there isn't really anything there but the effect happens using the same discharged capacitor as the low voltage source.

I believe it is more along the lines of what Lee showed with the scope shots showing that the cap was caused to discharge much quicker, which would drastically increase potential.

Just because it is proven that the low voltage source doesn't have to add some big punch to make the effect, that doesn't mean that some good voltage/capacitance won't help increase the effect because it does. Not required but helpful.

So this would lead me to believe possibly that the 12v battery at whatever amp rating is adding that high current low voltage punch following the HV once the diode shuts off..HV jump to grids and 12v from battery follows it. That is mixing high voltage and high current. That 'may' be what really boosts the effect but doesn't cause it.

From what I saw with dead capacitors on the LV side when I pulsed a magnet - was tricky to do but that showed that at bare minimum to get the effect, no real power needs to be on the LV. But, if there is, could it help? Probably.

[Guest]

@all: Just read an article about plants and trees in Extraordinary technology...

I quote(summary): " The top of all trees is always a north magnetic monopole while the south magnetic monopoles all migrate to the root system as they are attracted to soil, rocks and stones. The north magnetic monopoles are attracted to the leaves. This gives the tree a magnetic dipole charge. The roots act as wave guides for south poles to run up through plant stem and recombine with north magnetic poles, their former mates. A good conductor of magnetic monopoles is the opposite to an insulated conductor. The core of the plant root stem is a wood-like material like cellulose(plastic) covered by a barklike material which contains water like sap which is an electric conductor."

Well, here we go again, lightning is a south magnetic monopole looking to mate with its north magnetic monopole(the top of the tree). Me like nature.

And now we know what the Tesla MT was about underground, donīt we??!

Voltage wants to be trapped between two magnetic monopoles(bioelectric potential), ground is one(south), our receiver hence should be a north monopole. And the coil between them should be a long solenoid(trunk).

I now strongly suspect gravity is a consequence of a an electric dipole. The inner of earth has a small spherical core with positive charge, it attracts the negative crust(E-field lines outwards from core to crust), on the other side of the crust all field lines point inwards towards the inner field lines for balance just like the electron dipole Meyl describes. And we live on the side where we are pushed towards earth by these field lines - called gravity. And that is why the B-field lines point outwards from the core. Simple and clear.

So the universe is a crystal structure, all geometries return at all levels.

Thatīs all for now, need to digest again...