Gray Tube Replication

[Electrotek]

Ghst: That is SO beautiful!

Martin: My glass capacitor was just a sheet of window glass, 14" square, with a sheet of aluminum foil on each side. All edges of the foil were taped down with 1" paper masking tape. I ran clothes hanger electrodes from the 15kV NST and laid the cap flat on a masonite work bench, with one electrode on the bottom side and the other one touching the top. I charged it up by flipping the breaker on and off as fast as I could, and increasing the speed. When the cap flashed over, there were always 6 or 7 heavy yellow sparks around the perimeter. With a tremendous bang and a lot of light. These sparks came from the top of the masking tape, above the edges of the foil. But there never were any burn marks on the paper, or punctures. I think it was some kind of static electricity effect, in the paper itself, or the air right above the tape.

[Spokane1]

The Curly White Wires

Electrotek, looks like maybe each one of the white wires goto the rear pair of same size boxes. Also, note that they are the negative if you notice the meter probes.

If anyone ever figures out where those two curly white wires go I would sure like to hear from them.

They appear to be the negative of each capacitor - as noted (assuming that is what is in the boxes that the Analog Meters are connected to). However, they are not tied together with a jumper. There is some intervening component or sub-assembly that needs to keep the charge in those capacitors seperated before they both eventually get back to the source of the HV that is charging them. - But What?

The back to back capacitor connection has dashed many hopes of a successful classical simulation. The Pulse motor patent shows them tied together and grounded to the storage battery, but in the real world they obvisouly are not.

Spokane1

[lamare]

Another piece of the puzzle?

Hi all,

As I posted at http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...periments.html , Intalek did some interesting experiments with spark gaps.

It appears that carbon-graphite is essential for creating spark-gaps with COP > 1.

See Intaleks analysis of the Gray tube:
E. V. Gray Analysis by William S. Alek

"Using Thoriated Tungsten and Carbon Graphite, the spark gap equivalent series resistance R < 0 ohms. The effect showed NEGATIVE resistance! With the introduction of Carbon Graphite in the circuit, excess electrical electrical was being produced. Based upon some latest mainstream research using Carbon Graphene, the lattice nature of this material acted as a "mini" particle accelerator. Electrons under this configuration literally go "ballistic". The nature of the electron is changed into what is called a Dirac Quasiparticle. I strongly suspect this is what Nikola Tesla observed as Radiant Energy in his experiments, and also E. V. Gray observed in his experiments."


He also talks about this in his radio show:
Vortex Network News Progressive Technology Hour with William Alek

[Reiyuki]

Have any of you blown out diodes (or diode strings) trying to get the radiant event? I had 2 diode strings (1kv x 6 in series) break when a pulse tried to cross-the-gap.

Just to contribute, I've been working on the CSET for the past week and have generated a decent pile of components blown out due to HV or cap discharges (some of it inside expensive equipment). Grr..
I'm trying to build a decent set of points so I can be rid of the semiconductors once and for all. Either that or go back to Bedini motors..

- Rei

[martin]

If anyone ever figures out where those two curly white wires go I would sure like to hear from them.

They appear to be the negative of each capacitor - as noted (assuming that is what is in the boxes that the Analog Meters are connected to). However, they are not tied together with a jumper. There is some intervening component or sub-assembly that needs to keep the charge in those capacitors seperated before they both eventually get back to the source of the HV that is charging them. - But What?

The back to back capacitor connection has dashed many hopes of a successful classical simulation. The Pulse motor patent shows them tied together and grounded to the storage battery, but in the real world they obvisouly are not.

Spokane1

I think those goto the 2 equal size boxes that sit in the background. In the pic I posted earler, you can see a small glimpse of a wire that looks identical in color and size to the coils going to the caps.

Do you or anyone else know what these things are that the arrows are pointing to in this pic?

[lamare]

Do you or anyone else know what these things are that the arrows are pointing to in this pic?

They look like fuses, these tube-like plastic holders for fuses that are often used in cars.

[Ghst]

Have any of you blown out diodes (or diode strings) trying to get the radiant event? I had 2 diode strings (1kv x 6 in series) break when a pulse tried to cross-the-gap.

Just to contribute, I've been working on the CSET for the past week and have generated a decent pile of components blown out due to HV or cap discharges (some of it inside expensive equipment). Grr..
I'm trying to build a decent set of points so I can be rid of the semiconductors once and for all. Either that or go back to Bedini motors..

- Rei

Don't give up. I think we have all fried a few components.It sometimes takes that to figure out what is happening.
Here is a photo of my automotive points breaker, or Chopper. I am getting some pretty wicked arcs from this driving a ignition coil from a 12V 7 amp hr. Battery. http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6018/chopper2.jpg

[Reiyuki]

Here's my current setup, made a few adjustments:



Power is 6kv transformer at 60hz wired the same as Aaron's. It charges and holds fine but it will not jump the diode gap, regardless of biasing (9v battery). No radiant event yet.


For coils, I figure the more the merrier. A series bifilar, paralell bifilar, and carbon electrode are all in series on the 'coil' side of things. Tried a few variations on this with nothing yet.

Time to go build some points for a chopper.

[Aaron]

Reiyuki's circuit

Hi Reiyuki,

The picture looks like the capacitors are connected in series with the transformer and coils. Can you post a complete schematic of your entire circuit?

Also, just to make it work, you can remove the diodes and battery and connect ground of spark plug to ground of transformer...then deal with the diode issue later.

[Reiyuki]

I think the reason this version does not work is because it is a high current transformer running at 60hz rather than >1khz. At high frequency, the coils would be generating BEMF surges that would stand a better chance of crossing to the LV diode side.

The picture looks like the capacitors are connected in series with the transformer and coils.

Yes, they are all in series after the sparkgap.
+HV - Diode - Sparkgap - Coils - Capacitors - Ground

Also, just to make it work, you can remove the diodes and battery and connect ground of spark plug to ground of transformer...then deal with the diode issue later.

I tried that, and it just jumps to ground like normal (at 60hz). When I add the diode, it does nothing.

I compromised on a hybrid circuit for controlling the ignition coil. A reed relay will trigger a heavily shielded 2n3055 that will drive the coil. The relay will be triggered by a simple motor with magnets on it.


:Wake up and smell the ozone:
- Rei

[Aaron]

circuit

Hi Rei,

If you disconnect the LV side, I'm guessing the spark will jump to grid and charge those caps.

If you do that and have the caps charged up and connect the LV side without the diodes or battery, you may get the effect. The capacitance you're using is very small 0.1uf and may not be enough but you could try it.

[Ghst]

Reiyuki, May I suggest that you also move your inductor to the other side of the caps. The discharge will occur after the caps charge enough to jump a gap, ground back to grid. from the caps. It will do this with or without a diode on the low voltage side of the tube. Here is the deal, The HV jumps to grid, charges the caps discharges out the ground side or LV side of the caps Back into the tube from low voltage to grid. I can discharge my 0.75 uF 1700 V Microwave oven cap easily back through the tube. Because the caps are charged by the Grid, the Grid is a extension of the positive side of the caps. All you are doing is pretty much shorting the caps ground back to the caps positive. It looks pretty with this setup but, I don't think that this is the true radiant event most are looking for. Grey's inductor coil were the motor coils, and the Caps discharged through motor coils. The HV going through the inductor coil, before the caps will eventually burn out the coils, and produce minimum if any repulsion. I don't mean to sound discouraging, just trying to help.

[Ghst]

Oh by the way, here is a video of something I come up with in the way of modified Tube design. This is a working lightening flashing sparking flash burst producing Ghst Tube. using 4 penny finish nails driven 1/4 inch apart (almost) so that the heads have a 1/8 inch spacing. I got this Tube nailed!
YouTube - Nailed the Tube!
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6195/nailed1.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1451/nailed2.jpg

[Aaron]

Rei's circuit

The HV going through the inductor coil, before the caps will eventually burn out the coils, and produce minimum if any repulsion.

The coils will be virtually unaffected by the HV pulses going through the coils as it is mostly potential moving through the coil and the coil offers little in the way of resistance to a HV and super low current pulse and will not heat up or burn up...it just passes through to charge the caps and will produce no real magnetic charge in the coils themselves.

@Rei - the coil(s) are just fine in the location you have them.

When the caps are charged and you switch the LV side on, the HV spark from the transformer can collide with the + potential from the caps and move to common ground and that is when the coils can and will charge if you have the caps and gaps correct for your setup.

[Reiyuki]

Thanks for the help Aaron and Ghst. I made quite a bit of progress over the last day or so.



Ignition coil is back, being powered by a 'sacrificial' 555 timer in case of a surge. The entire system is ~3-4kv and discharges around 2kv. I have tried a few variations from the notes on pg1-10 of this thread. There are a couple interesting things to report so far..

- When the capacitor bank is charged and power is removed, I get little trickles of very tiny static-like sparks going from the capacitor bank through the blocked diode to ground. These happen around 1hz and appear to occur indefinitely (at least 2hr without noticable capacitor discharge). I thought at first it was due to RF from a nearby server rack, so I disconnected everything but the capacitors and diode, but the very tiny snaps keep happening until I discharge the caps. I haven't tried to get usable power from this, but it certainly qualifies as a 'weird' effect.

- With the proper spacing, I can get the 'grid' and the 'LV diode' path to arc simultaneously. No green flash, but then again there is no 'tube' to speak of yet either.

- When I get the 2-way arcs, I measured a sizable surge going between gnd and the LV diode. It could be bemf from the ignition coil, I'm not sure yet.

YouTube - EV Gray Tube Test 1


Well, that's what I have so far. I was hoping for a green flash or something concrete, but I figure so far so good.

-Rei