Gray Tube Replication

[Guest]

I've found that the size of the capacitor is very important. Here are some clips from my video showing coil repulsion, with a four and a half pound coil, using my 3 point Switching Element. This kick was produced with a 16 uF capacitor, at 7.5 kV. However, when I ran the test with a 2 uF capacitor, the result was completely different - one coil core seemed to stick to the other one for a couple of seconds. The only way I got a minimal repulsion with the smaller cap was to wire the coils in parallel, rather than series.

If you can't get the size of capacitors that Ed Gray used, then you'd better use baby coils too.

Based on some of my recent studies on equilibrium interactions, I think you're on the right track because what you're saying seems to coincide with some of my recent findings.

[Altair]

Electrotek, I didn't say YOU were the inventor... I said "the inventor" . (whoever he is)

I'm not taking sides in this matter simply because I didn't follow the thread from the start.

[Aaron]

caps

Hi Aaron

Your findings are correct.
In the light of the effect, the sharpness of the gradient, and voltage is what does the trick.

However,you can trigger much more discharges from a bigger cap before the voltage goes to low as to jump the gap.(many more)
So there might not be an increase in power, you can run the circuit longer on one charged cap.

This brings me to Capacitors in series.
My tests have shown a decrease in performance when i used capacitors in series.
Im not sure how you compared your capacitor/series tests but mine always showed less "pressure" when capacitors in series were used.

Marcoz.

The caps in series works "ok" and I can see they are discharging really quick.

My 4000v 2uf caps - I put 2 in parallel and those work really well - but compared to a single 4000v 2uf cap, I can't see much difference.

What I do see is that regardless of the capacitance, it appears that the voltage drop is still the same so I'm not so sure that I can get more pulses from the cap. With a lower capacitance cap, it is definitely a lot easier to keep it charged up to a higher voltage.

With the plasma ignition, the 4000v 2uf caps charge to 500v in about 5 pulses or so - good results on the charging experiments. If an ignition coil setup is at any kind of kHz range, I don't think there is a problem charging them with ignition coils - especially if the coil is modified to have fewer windings on the secondary.

[Aaron]

caps

CAPACITORS IN SERIES AND PARALLEL

Capacitors may be connected in series or in parallel to obtain a resultant value which may be either the sum of the individual values (in parallel) or a value less than that of the smallest capacitance (in series)

Placing capacitors in series basically you can add the voltage value of all the caps in series, the capacitance (uF) is the value of the lowest cap in the series (or less)

Parallel caps increase the capacitance (uF) by adding the capacitance values of the individual capacitors. But the voltage value will not increase.

I understand that but why in response to my post?

[Aaron]

caps and tube

1000v at 2 uf can be STRONGER than 1000v at 3uf with the EFFECT.

I would caution anyone against having anything rub off on you about "my cap is bigger than your cap" type of thinking.

If you have 2 identical caps - 1000v @ 2uf and another cap at 1000v @ 2uf - if one is discharged conventionally straight into a coil, it will be a slower discharge, the field strength is more evenly distributed over a larger area - APPARENTLY - because you can feel it over more area - because it is SLOWER.

With the effect, the same 1000v @ 2uf will cause a stronger punch at the core of the coil since it is FASTER meaning there isn't time for the field to be distributed over a larger area - it may reach those areas but the power density is THROUGH THE ROOF.

Also, I have build MANY "3 point circuits" and have done so over the last 8 years or so. In the last one year, the main difference is that I used the plasma ignition system. Just because I release a diagram dated in January of this year means only one thing - that particular diagram is that old.

My first tube setup is identical to this:



It is a healing device that runs on pure aether. Ground connection and antenna and no further power input necessary. I have used OTHER input into this tube in countless experiments since early 2001.

Here is what is total and complete COMMON SENSE that some individuals may find too simple to comprehend but when experimenting with the tube, it is nothing but 3 points. 2 rods are 2 points and the grid is a 3rd point.

A COMMON SENSE deduction/extrapolation/etc... when working with these circuits is that it is OBVIOUS in experiments that 3 POINTS can be used instead of constructing an entire tube setup, which has NOT shown to have any extra benefit by ANY experimenter that has posted ANYTHING on the entire internet EVER.

Also, it is EASIER to simply have 3 points on a bench to adjust and mess with instead of fooling with a tube with a FIXED grid. You can move the rod off center so it is closer to the grid but 3 nails on a piece of wood does the same thing and is easier to adjust.

It is astoundingly ABSURD for anyone to claim ownership over this!

Open air gaps in the experiments have ZERO disadvantage over an encased tube - at least I have NOT seen any proof of this.

My 3 POINT diagram that has been discussed here in overdrawn length IS the Gray tube diagram and anyone that REFUSES to see this isn't using common sense and is taking credit for Ed Gray's patent AND MY work, which includes the variations of the ignition systems that I have shown first.

This is THREE POINTS:
YouTube - Here's how the Gray Tube works

Anyway, unless someone is admitting to trespassing on my property and scoping out my work, they cannot claim to know ANYTHING about my work and what I have done.

I have ZERO obligation to post anything that I do and everything that I have posted is ALL based on the EXACT same stuff I have explained from the beginning and anyone that builds any of the diagrams I have shown will get results.

Also, listening to bogus claims that I'm using other people's work is not only ridiculous - this type of childish nonsense is why so many people do NOT post what they have.

[Aaron]

old docs

Just for fun, here are 2 pdf's of posts in icubenetwork way back. I started these 2 threads there to discuss Meyer's technology. My understanding of a lot back then was of course not up to par but I was explaining how the Gray tube works back in 1994 - 3 years after I built my first one.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?a...0;attach=12359

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?a...0;attach=12358

In each pdf, you can just search for "Gray" to see any references there. My username there was: qiman13

I'm also posting these just as a little extra documentation of my understanding of the Tube (3 point system) back then - pg. 42 in one of them - that HV slams into the LV rod, then the voltage component of the blast is separated from the current coming from the LV rod and moves to grid the 3rd point.

The tube is a 3 point system, period and this will never change.

And so everyone knows, I believe I posted it here, there is no mystery to Splitting the Positive. This diagram makes it common sense:

THE TESLA SWITCH

First diagram on that page:



That has been there for many years.

[Aaron]

Positive Jumps to Positive with Common Ground

Just a simple demo showing how positive jumps to positive as long as they are connected by common ground and the "ground" is the lower positive".

YouTube - Positive Jumps to Positive with Common Ground

[Aaron]

One of MY 3 point systems

Just got back and found more video that I put together.

YouTube - Murakami-Gray 3 Point

This system is virtually identical to my silent plasma
circuit I showed in August of last year and reposted
last October.

Silent plasma:
YouTube - Water Sparkplug | Plasma Ignition | With current restriction

The ONLY difference is that the silent plasma has the
LV and HV connected physically and separated by diodes.

This 3 point vid has the gap in the tube.

I'm using a 1000 turn trifilar in this vid and in the silent
plasma I used an air core spool of wire as the choke
which was off the ground of the plug which is 100%
identical to the Grid in the tube.

This vid trigger is by reed switch off magnet on rotor
and silent plasma was triggered by a mechanical relay
which was triggered by a 555.

[Aaron]

Plasma with AND without Inductor

It was clearly claimed here that my circuits won't make the plasma burst without the inductor.

This video specifically addresses this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNE_GOcUDnY
as if the many other vids and pictures don't.

[antena]

Tesla

Hallo
Aaron your 2 point system almost look like Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter in the book Peter A Lindemann-Secrets Of Cold Electricity (2000).pdf on page 49. When U find good value of the voltage, capacitance and frequency U can simplify Your wiring and U can get radiant event without diodes.
Caps have to full discharge in one moment. If back voltage appears we have alternating voltage and its wrong(no radiant event). Thats why we use diodes - thank them we have only dirrect voltage. Tesla dont have diodes - he had definite voltage, definite capacitance and definite frequency...he got radiant energy...
So we need to discover ratio between voltage, capacitance and frequency.
Tesla used magnetically quenched sparking gap, he used horse shoe magnet I think.
Sorry for my English
Have fun Antena

[Aaron]

system synchronization

Hallo
Aaron your 2 point system almost look like Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter in the book Peter A Lindemann-Secrets Of Cold Electricity (2000).pdf on page 49. When U find good value of the voltage, capacitance and frequency U can simplify Your wiring and U can get radiant event without diodes.
Caps have to full discharge in one moment. If back voltage appears we have alternating voltage and its wrong(no radiant event). Thats why we use diodes - thank them we have only dirrect voltage. Tesla dont have diodes - he had definite voltage, definite capacitance and definite frequency...he got radiant energy...
So we need to discover ratio between voltage, capacitance and frequency.
Tesla used magnetically quenched sparking gap, he used horse shoe magnet I think.
Sorry for my English
Have fun Antena

Hi Antena,

I've been able to do it without diodes too but it is definitely easier with the diodes.

I agree that with TUNED voltage, capacitance, etc... that this is optimum. I have already accomplished this to a certain degree. I also agree about the cap discharging in one moment as well as charging in one moment.

When anyone gets this system running properly, the caps that power the load will show what appears to be a perfect SQUARE WAVE. Instant charge on one cycle and instant discharge just as fast.

Gray does show a stair step charge being applied to his power cap but I think at certain speeds, he may have had the one cycle charge/discharge. I have both and can certainly see that the one cycle charge/discharge is when the system is the smoothest. I consider the system to be SYNCHRONIZED at those points.

[Aaron]

plasma from tube without enclosure

Here is MY 3 point circuit using Gray's 3 spark gap points instead of the tube. Three points in the rod are HV rod, LV rod and Grid. Those are 3 points that makes up the Gray tube. Each of the points are tied to common ground. HV point is tied to common ground, LV point is tied to common ground and Grid is tied to common ground.

Using simple spark gap points does NOT change the circuit. It is simply the inside of the tube but without the tube enclosure. This does NOT change the function of the circuit.

The plastic tube:

• muffles sound
• may act as a dielectric insulation to contain the pressure of the blast channeling it to whereever ground is available
• whatever else...

John Bedini, one of the most credible witnesses to all of this said the tube may be a red herring. He also said the motor runs w/out the tube, just a little stronger with.

Anyway, this video shows MY three point circuit as an exact overlay on the Gray tube.

YouTube - Murakami-Gray 3 Point Plasma outside of tube

[Aaron]

Summary of vids posted recently

Summary of vids posted recently:

YouTube - Aaron's Green Plasma Motor in the Dark Dark shot of plasma motor in dark

YouTube - Murakami-Gray 2 Point Motor Murakami-Gray 2 Point Motor

YouTube - Positive Jumps to Positive with Common Ground Positive jumps to positive with common ground

YouTube - Murakami-Gray 3 Point Murakami-Gray 3 Point

YouTube - Plasma with AND without Inductor Plasma with and without inductor

YouTube - Murakami-Gray 3 Point Plasma outside of tube Murakami-Gray 3 Point plasma outside of tube

[lamare]

Hi all,

I have been tough practically this whole thread recently:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-thin-air.html

It handles about Dr. Stifflers "SEC", with some very interesting videos at:
YouTube - MRH2O2's Channel


What's also very interesting is his "Spatial Gate", which closely resembles the Gray tube:
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...-air-sgate.pdf

It makes an interesting comparison with Aarons circuit posted a.o. here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...cation-53.html

Based on this comparison, one can deduce how the Gray tube is probably supposed to work. There are two distinct phases:

1) charging C2 using radiant energy
2) discharging C2 doing work

During phase 1, S1 is open. What we then have, is very similar to what Dr. Stiffler does. You have an oscillator that is capacitively coupled to a coil trough the capacitance between the HV rod and the grid, so we can "wirelessly" get the open coil into resonance, which will result in a high radiant voltage becoming present all over the coil. Since there is a high frequency, there will be no resulting magnetic force from the coil, but you do get a high voltage to charge your C2 with.
However, you would need a diode (or a AV plug) somewhere between the coil and C2 in order to rectify the HV and be able to charge C2.

During phase 2, C2 is unidirectionally discharged trough the coil, during which phase you do get a resultant magnetic field, so the coil can do work. This discharge appears to be quite special, since C2 discharges from the grid to the rod(s), apparantly triggered by a spark jumping from the HV rod to the LV rod. This creates a plasma, which appears to be similar to igniting a FL tube. So, the spark-plasma makes it possible for C2 to discharge trough the tube from grid to rod(s) by means of a gas discharge as used in any FL tube.

If this is how the Gray tube is supposed to work, it is very imporant that the HV frequency fed to the circuit exactly matches the resonance frequency of the load coil.

[antena]

Ignition coil

Hallo
Aaron thank U for the answer. Thats true circuit with diodes is simlest then find suitable level of the voltage, capacitance and frequency.
Can I have question about your ignition coil. How much voltage Your coil can make ? Ignition coils from my neighbour can produce 30-90kV.
I dont know what max voltage can produce your coil, from Your video Murakami-Gray 3 Point Plasma outside of tube I see space between rods about 5mm it is about 15kV. So U have coil which max voltage is 15kV ?
In ignition coils are transformer which teoretically can produce infinite voltage.
So with such kind ignition coil U need to have some kind of safety circuit which provide definite voltage otherwise your diode will be destroyed.
Can u tell me how way U guarantee definite voltage not to destroy your diodes ?
Thank You a lot
Antena