Dual Self Oscillating Circuit w/High Voltage Output

[thedude]

Hello all,

I know the name sounds impressive and all. Its leaps and bounds beyond what i thought i could put together this early on as an amateur hobbiest. Thanks to everyone here who is willing to share what they know.

Heres to hoping that is isn't an exact replica of something some one made last week.

Heres the basic schematic. I'm a better graphic artist/web developer than a electronics tech. :P



The finished product.


And a link to a video of the first performance test on an electrolizer.

I'm altering schematic image to show this thread at energeticforum. Also going to update my project website with new info soon.

I don't think it creates an actual bifilar choke effect on a WFC (water fuel cell), but it does do something additional (free) at certain harmonic frequencies. If anyone can make any explainations or suggestions here i would appreciate it.

[ashtweth]

Darcy, thanks a lot for doing this, this is exactly where i wanted to go with our VIC, light some CFL"s and operate the Bedini charge whilst operating the hydroxy. we just need to wind our VIC, copper will be here in a few days then ill have 9 inductors and a toridal on Ravzz cell. Ill see if we can try what your doing.

I have no idea how we can adapt your circuit for Bedini charges and CFL's ,. but i know that we could do that all at once, i bet there is a lot coming off the VIC that we are not capturing. Thanks again for paving the way here man.

I think the VIC/signal Gen may be better suited for hydroxy, however we may not be able to light as many CFL"s as you. Can you add a Bedini Battery charge in there as well? Maybe running all of them that might tune the circuit is some weird way...Its the Bodkin's influence talking...

[thedude]

hi ashtweth

Hey ashtweth.
Thanks for your encouragement.
I really wanted to make a vid or two more right away but seem to have damaged the lense mechanism on my sony cyber-shot camera. Was cheap, needed a better one i guess. :P
I'm going to do some reading on the VIC/Signal generator. I'm done with crafting for a bit. Time for me to do some reasearch.
With regard to charging alone i've found some really good effeciency within 10 hundredths of an amp on the input/output. I need to do some more tests as that was using smaller amp batteries. My goal with this device was to develop something that could run on low voltage input and generate a higher potential voltage output in charging or generating HHO gas. Could be ideal with an Earth battery or solar panel input. I've tested it on my variable powersupply and it runs the device perfectly at 5volts and 3.3volts as well so i'm pretty happy (good for solar).
I meant to mention that unless the CFLs are light up the device runs nearly perfectly silent. I placed two magnets underneath each coil to be able to hear the resonations.

Cheers mates!

Nice to have time to work on this stuff again.

[thedude]

just had to mention

Really wish i could update with a new video, as i discovered some critical issues with my cell i was testing on in the last video.

It would seem that cell plate spacing is far more critical to harvesting the resonant effects that my dual coils are generating. I have seen a high flux of vapourous hho gas pour out (and i do mean pour!) from between every where that my cylinder walls are tighter than 1/4". The cell design i used on these cells is very spacious to say the least. I was producing this level of gas after having swapped out a exact duplicate of the test cell that i showed in the video. As well i straightened and adjusted the cylinders equally. Following that I moved my negative lead off of the outer (thick) stainless container and on to the outer-most of the three inner cylinders (positive is on inner-most). Almost immediately upon filling the cell with water straight from the tap i hooked up the cell and flipped the switch. I had a real moment there where i felt like crying. This was all happening for around 900 ma from a Power supply (@12volts). Cheap. I know i can't talk watts / gas volume yet, but i now have high expectations.

I am super impressed with these new results. I'm dying to post some more video to validate what i'm saying. I damaged my stupid camera and need another one asap.

As i mentioned else where, i am in the process of waiting for 5 - 12" x 12" (304 grade) 24 guage stainless plates to show up to build a stacking water fuel cell like Jetijs's. I'm going to make the cell the full 12"x12", based on my observations so far i think a space of 3/16" would be ideal. I added some KOH (watched the foam grow) and then dumped the whole works. If the cell produces enough i never want to use KOH, it was never part of my plan. I just keep some around for balancing plant water. By having zero electrolite added i expect to keep the away the foamies! In watching my cell i could witness the vapourous bubble formation dissapate quickly though the surface tention of the water. That is good news for this design of WFC (stacking compressed) as Jetijs had foam issues with his. Although i know he used electrolite and positive Ion charging for the most part i believe.

Anyway some very positive news. I hope to update with some good quality video of the gas formation i'm witnessing very soon.

[thedude]

Better video

I borrowed a camera, having broke mine, and made another couple clips. took some time and edited my video. (why not)

Heres the latest (and still early) clips of my project running and making HHO at less than 1amp @ aprox 12.00 volts dc. As well these tests are using an old water fuel cell that is not the best .

I'm nearly finished collecting all the parts for my new stacking compressed cell design. I just need to find some gasket (vinyl) material for gaskets. I think i found the link for what Jetijs used so i'll probably just order some of that.

Until i get my cell built there won't be too much else to report.

Until then.

[najman100]

you said less than 1 amp are you measuring the whole setup or before the cell.
keep up the good work
Najman

[ren]

Hi Darcy,

Looks like you have been busy. Can I ask a couple of questions in relation to your build?

What is the purpose of the two oscillators as opposed to one? Does one oscillate out of phase with the other? If its purpose it simply to make it more powerful, you could use the trigger off one of your coils to trigger the other, no need for two triggers

Also, I was confused at first because it would seem from your schematic that you are pulsing the secondary of the ignition coil. I realised it is just the way the schematic is drawn.

BTW. You may get a lower amp draw using a smaller transistor, the BD's or 2n3055's/Mj3055's will allow finer adjustments. I built a few solidstates with these parts and switched to MLJ21194's only to note a higher amp draw, which in turn results in more charging etc....so you may be happy with what you have.

Good work

[thedude]

you said less than 1 amp are you measuring the whole setup or before the cell.
keep up the good work
Najman

Thanks Najman. In my most recent video the yellow meter on the left shows amps drawn from the modded pc power supply. Which never usually gets above 1 amp unless i tune the resistances on both pots right to full on. So basically i'm never using more than 12 watts in the most recent video (as a general statement).

Hi Darcy,

Looks like you have been busy. Can I ask a couple of questions in relation to your build?

What is the purpose of the two oscillators as opposed to one? Does one oscillate out of phase with the other? If its purpose it simply to make it more powerful, you could use the trigger off one of your coils to trigger the other, no need for two triggers

Also, I was confused at first because it would seem from your schematic that you are pulsing the secondary of the ignition coil. I realised it is just the way the schematic is drawn.

BTW. You may get a lower amp draw using a smaller transistor, the BD's or 2n3055's/Mj3055's will allow finer adjustments. I built a few solidstates with these parts and switched to MLJ21194's only to note a higher amp draw, which in turn results in more charging etc....so you may be happy with what you have.

Good work

Thanks for your encouragement Ren. Yes i wanted the flexibility of independant tuning of each circuit to allow me to test out how the harmonics of the two coils might serve to enhance fracturization. I can appreciate a master and slave (several) coil config can be advantageous in a mechanically pulsed multi-coil arrangement. (actually it was you who put me on to the proper deployment of that method)

I actually have made some interesting observations. There are definate frequencies that are more chaotically resonant. I can tune one half of the circuit to a specific note and (similar to harmonically tuning a guitar) then I can slowly adjust the other coil until the distortion ripple levels off to combine into one whole note. By tuning one coil back away from this position it is easy to achieve a hammering pulse effect which, at the right frequency, can be quite violent. By pure observation alone i would say that there is a definate increase in fracturization at these "hammering" frequencies. I don't believe this to be what Stan Meyer refers to as a "choke" effect in the water, however it is producing far better than any sg motor i've hooked up to a cell so far.

I really won't be able to make any good statements about my model's HHO productivity until my new cell is built, enclosed and i can do a liter/min comparitive to watts input to the system.

Thanks for the response and the interest guys.

[thedude]

info update

Hi all. Haven't been able to spend anytime at all with my projects while doing some remodeling to my home. My lab is completely disassembled atm and everything is in disarray.

I have, however, assembled my new HHO Cell in a similar design to Jetijs's stacking cell and will be doing some testing soon. I have to replace one side of the plexi outer plating as it split along a inaccurate cut on one side causing a leak near the edge of the gasket material. looking forward to putting some more time and money into finishing the Cell. I did have a chance to test with the oscillator at around 12 watts i was seeing a near continuous stream of bubbles flowing through my bubbler. Promising! I want to have a HHO torch operating soon so i can test out working with the properties of the gas itself. I broke my camera and therefore I have no pics or vids to illustrate where i'm at atm, but soon the work on my home will be done and i can get back to the business of grinding at this project.