Resonance Effects For Everyone To Share

[gotoluc]

Hi all,

I decided to replace test 14 video with the one below since it has much more measurement data for more accurate calculations.

Let me know what you think

@Gyula, can you please try your calculations on this one and see what you come up with.

I also just measured L2 at 33 Ohms 90mH and L1 is now 75mh at 8.3 Ohms with the ferrite Secondary in its center.

Link to test 14 replacement video: YouTube - RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE test 14

Luc

[gotoluc]

I am still in development of my version of the ultimate "resonator" circuit.

You've asked for some tough specs, so it is not so easy. The basic concept is well developed already, but getting the frequency (won't be as difficult) and high voltage of 10kV (more difficult) is posing to be a challenge.

So far I have a nice circuit that will give about 1MHz frequency and 1500V.



.99

Hi .99,

I was kind of kidding about the high voltage .

I was told that higher voltage MOSFET's have more resistance at the gate, if so I would prefer to stay with something like the IRF840

btw, Pulsing is the most efficient way to bring a LC tank into resonance.

Can you direct me to a circuit I could try and I'll report if it's the same kind of resonance effect as I've been getting.

Thanks

Luc

[baroutologos]

Hi Luc,

I see you have some serious experience regarding resonance in RLC circuits.
I personally, started from being a replicator of Hein's Perepiteia setup, and after tried to combined the Bedini's FEG principles as those resembled Thane's Perepiteia.

I achieved to have a shorted "speeding up" coil with some serious current circulating when shorted and good voltage when opened, yet still cannt extract any serious energy out of it without going to lenz's drag.

Then, naturally, i was involved in resonance experiments and managed to have a virtual circulating vac/amps in a LC system. Still not be able to extract any usefull output. I have been inspired by Hector Peres teaching, because more or less descibe the situation i am in, and give solution (diode plug)

He stresses the fact that energy extractions should not REFLECT to source (i.e. in mechanical systems equals drag)
.....

Question: Have you tried anything in this direction? If yes, what are your findings? (in a nutshell)

Regards,
Baroutologos

[poynt99]

Luc,

For basic testing, you already have the circuit and setup:

A series LC tank, and a FG. Set your FG on square or pulse (preferable).

My circuit works with pulses (up to 50% duty cycle) and parallel LC tanks (which has some distinct advantages in terms of the drive circuit).

.99

[gotoluc]

Hi all,

a quick video update.

Link: YouTube - RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE test 15

Luc

[lamare]

Hi all,

You guys might want to take a look at this thread:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-thin-air.html

As for what you noticed about less amperage when loading a coil, I might have found an explanation for that, as I posted here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post65820

It appears a coil can sort of suck energy out of the ZPE field, if you drive it in resonance, as long as you use higher harmonics then the 1/4 base resonance frequency.

[gyula]

Hi all,

I decided to replace test 14 video with the one below since it has much more measurement data for more accurate calculations.

Let me know what you think

@Gyula, can you please try your calculations on this one and see what you come up with.

I also just measured L2 at 33 Ohms 90mH and L1 is now 75mh at 8.3 Ohms with the ferrite Secondary in its center.

Link to test 14 replacement video: YouTube - RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE test 14

Luc

Hi Luc,

Here are the input and output powers in the different cases:

Your video 14, with coils as per your schematics, 2kOhm load

input power taken from the SG is Pi=7.81V*6.5mA=50.76mW
output power in the 2k load is Po=6.65*6.65/2=22.11mW
efficiency Po/Pi=0.435 i.e. 43.5%

Without the coils, directly to the bridge

input power taken from the SG is Pi=6.56V*7.75mA=50.84mW
output power in the 2k load is Po=6.65*6.65/2=22.11mW
efficiency Po/Pi=0.434 i.e. 43.4%

Your video 15, with coils as per your schematics, 1kOhm load

input power taken from the SG is Pi=7.81V*5.3mA=41.39mW
output power in the 1k load is Po=4.25*4.25/1=18.06mW
efficiency Po/Pi=0.436 i.e. 43.6%

without the coils, directly to the bridge

input power taken from the SG is Pi=4.69V*8.6mA=40.33mW
output power in the 1k load is Po=4.25*4.25/1=18.06mW
efficiency Po/Pi=0.447 i.e. 44.7%


Your previous question of

I've made a new video since I was doing a basic test and found that when I lower the amplitude to the output of my signal generator I seem to get a better efficiency ???

may have not been answered...

I think the key is in the coupling between the two coils. You may be aware of the different cases of possible couplings: under, over and critical couplings.
Here is a link what I mean: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/.../IF_Phase.html

The biggest factor for influencing the coupling in your case is the distance between the two coils, even a 2-3 millimeter of moving away the pickup coil does count, this involves retuning the input frequency to compensate for the changed inductance of the primary coil (but then this new frequency may not be the best for the pickup coil + 2nF series resonant circuit frequency...) etc.

And when the phase of the current changes in both coils, the output power conditions also changes, including here for any change in frequency or in the coupling. A complex process... lol.

Maybe you have further questions, if I can I answer

rgds, Gyula

[gotoluc]

Hi Guyla,

thanks for taking the time to do all the calculations

No reason to get excited about those results

Oh well, back to the drawing board

and

Luc

[nvisser]

[QUOTE=poynt99;62350]OK Luc.
I went back and looked at the deficiencies you guys would like corrected:
1) Duty Cycle adjustment
2) Higher voltage (are you sure you want to use 1000V?)
3) Oscillator built in
4) Wider frequency range (min 3 MHz) (could be a tough one )
5) any I missed?

Maybe you will find this patent usefull since you work with high voltages. It is a really easy way to get the rising time on cheap fets to 2nsec
patent 5332938

[gyula]

Hi Guyla,

thanks for taking the time to do all the calculations

No reason to get excited about those results

Oh well, back to the drawing board

and

Luc

Hi Luc,

Well, the diode bridge you are using maybe the first to investigate. I assume it is a normal high current type for the 50/60 Hz mains rectification and as such it may be of Silicon material with 0.6-0.7V forward voltage drop.
If so, it means you miss 1.2-1.4V from the output DC voltage because in the bridge there are always two diodes open in every half wave cycle.
If I recall it was you who found a very good ST diode for rectification sometime last year and it is a fast diode with about 0.2-0.3V forward voltage drop, can you possibly use four such fast diodes instead of your present bridge? (Now your present bridge must dissipate at least 13-14mW just from the 1.3V forward voltage drop, this is at least a 20% loss in efficiency, considering the 4.5-6V DC output range.)

The other area is changing the coupling between the primary and the pickup coil, a very tiresome tinkering for sure.
Also the DC resistance of your pickup coil is very high, try to use a higher dia wire there ( I know that coil was just at hand and you like it...).

I agree with poynt99 that the most efficient way for keeping an LC circuit in resonant is to kick it with pulses (and here duty cycle comes in too).

rgds, Gyula

[boguslaw]

I have an idea.I think that powering circuit and working circuit must be separate with no influence on each other. That means that working circuit must work in resonance of itself while powering circuit must give a working circuit only a start kick. And I seen it starting but then a problem arise very soon and such a circuit is going only to do a "pufff" which means a blink of power on load.
To operate in that regime the powering circuit should do one of two:

1. Operate on different principle : for example a static generator operate on different principle then electric power source.Alternatively the energy transfer to the working circuit should be unidirectional . We only need to balance losses done by resistance,EM radiation, heat,light emission of the working circuit, without influence the power source.

2. Sense resonant frequency and pump energy in the way synchronized with oscillations of working circuit or of such parameters that do not disturb resonance of it.Of course energy loss during sensing must also be balanced.
Instead of synchronized energy transfer we could use much higher frequency wave then is working circuit operate with,using preferably single wire transfer (I'm guessing here).

Recall how Tesla used "powering circuit" and "working circuit" separated by one or two spark gaps. It is not OU but very efficient.

[baroutologos]

Allow me to enter this topic conversation and to contribute (if i can) to the common cause.

A small introduction
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I have been involved in the OU field because, i have a sense that actually exists not to mention the job apportinities this will present. My first noob experiments were plain magnet arrangements. Since little could be achieved by them i proceed to electromechanical systems as Adam's motor and Bedini's SSG.

having built some variations of both of them, it readily becomes clear that all such systems in order to work require tunning.

Why tunning??? ...because it must be running in a resonant mode! Resonant huh? So, for one having little experience on this field it becomes apparent sooner or later that if any OU is to be harvested, it should be sought into resonance.
...

Almost all inventors who claimed OU with electrical devices, stress with one way or another the importance of resonance. Who is better to read about resonance in the first place?
Tesla of course via his patents that are a becon from the depth of ages to any experiementer.

Tesla immediately understood that resonance is the way to go. He stressed that "energy amplification happens that way". Of course a standing resonance, no matter how enormous (VA) maybe, current science accepts that bears no energy production capability.

Contemporary figures as Adams, Bedini, Kapandeze, Hector Peres, Donald Smith etc ect claim the contrary is the case. They say that OU can be found in resonance...really?

OU and Tesla coils
.............................

Tesla himself, have said that by resonating a secondary (of a Tesla coil) at 500Kz and some million volts, thousands of horse power can be sustained.
Did he speak allegorically???
This way, again he claimed that could dispatch energy via the natural means at industry quantities.

I have been reading some Donald Smith's papers and claims that Tesla coil is a great power station??? Weird. Almost anyone possess a tesla coil, yet no OU around. The sure thing is Tesla has not made his coils for sparking

Again, Tesla says that energy in secondary is proportional to frequency and inductunce and being inversely affected by resistance. So the higher frequency the merrier, i suppose.
.....

Assuming a Tesla coil possess some OU. (Avramenko and his spark experiments have confirmed OU to such states.)
How about converting the resonating energy back to normal electricity and make some measurements?

Tesla has said two ways.

1)By the opposite application of a Tesla coil. (see patents for electricity trasmition via the natural medium)

2) Via another Tesla patent utilizing caps. pat# 462,418 states that. When a RF current (high frequency) is passed to a plain capacitor, the capacitor serves more or less as a stepdown trannsformer!

page 1, line 89 "In the working circuit, by reason of the condenser action, the
current impulses (dc) or discharges (ac) of high tension and small volume are
converted into lower tension and greater volume"

Does it hit any bells? Does Bedini says the same thing that caps are able to convert radiant energy back to normal electricity?
....

Concluding, i want to ask anyone with experience on Tesla coils. Has anyone tried to utilize any output via one of prescribe ways for using the energy.
Any result to share?

Regards,
Baroutolgos

[bsshirkey1]

having trouble replicating gotoluc's resonance tutorials

gotoluc:
im trying to replicate some of your resonance tutorials. im having trouble with even the simplist ones. for some reason, with the series circuit (YouTube - gotoluc's Channel, my neon glows if it's hooked up to the circuit like you describe. it's a dim glow, not bright. it stays lit the whole time. even if i remove it from the coil and hook it directly to one probe of the signal generator it will light. even if i were to ignore the dimness of it, i cannot get it to light brightly with any frequency.
do you have any advice?
bryan

[gotoluc]

gotoluc:
im trying to replicate some of your resonance tutorials. im having trouble with even the simplist ones. for some reason, with the series circuit (YouTube - gotoluc's Channel, my neon glows if it's hooked up to the circuit like you describe. it's a dim glow, not bright. it stays lit the whole time. even if i remove it from the coil and hook it directly to one probe of the signal generator it will light. even if i were to ignore the dimness of it, i cannot get it to light brightly with any frequency.
do you have any advice?
bryan

Hi Bryan,

thanks for your post and interest in experimenting with Resonance.

I am having a problem understanding how your Neon bulb can light (even dimly) with just the output of your Signal Generator since a Neon bulb needs around 90+ volts to light and most Signal Generator outputs are about 10 volts RMS or 20 volts peak to peak. Do you see the first problem?

If you can also provide some information of your coil, how long is the wire (length), how many turns and the value of the capacitor you are using.

Luc

[bsshirkey1]

the generator is new. it's digital. 0.2 hz to 2MHz. 1 to 10 v
i have two coils i was playing with:
a small 2x2 spool of hook up wire (48uH) and some left over magnet wire on a spool 3" dia and 4" high (400uH).
for tutorial number two where you show how to light the neon but keep the small light out, i get a dim illumination with the neon. i've tried a 120v neon like yours, and also a 90v neon from rick friedrich's order house.
the dim illumination occurs and does not extinguish. it doesn't get brighter either. for the heck of it, i hooked one end of the bulb to the sig gen and the other end to a water pipe and it stays illuminated (dimly). also, if i hook one end to the sig gen and the the other end only touches my fingers, it will illuminate dimly as well.
no sweeping at all will illuminate it more. i've tried small ceramic caps:
151, 221, 471, 102, 103, and 104.
the sig gen works cause i hooked my oscilloscope directly to the generator and the waveforms are perfect.
bryan