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  • A Thief in the night---- His lights went out

    @ Everyone ---Sometime last night when I was asleep, my first JT stopped. It was beyond the 8.5 day mark. This morning the source battery reading was .5 volts and the charge battery was 1.12 volts. The little guy's eyes were dark. I swapped the batteries and his eyes lit up again and I'll let it run some more to make up for the time that I was asleep. The depleted battery should regain some energy but this afternoon I will consider the experiment over and take final readings.
    When this was started the calculation was that it might run as many as 200 hours and it did so this should be considered a success---but not a total one. If I had simply put the two batteries together in parallel at the start with no charge battery, this might have run just as long. Amigo's experiment would tend to support this. If I let this run to the bitter end when neither battery will run the system, this might show a few hours gain in run time. Either way this was one of my most interesting endeavours.
    Imagine this: You go on a weekend camping trip and take along one of these. You turn it on in the tent when you get there and never turn it off. Or say you build half a dozen of these and spread them around the house. That bad day comes when the power goes out and doesn't come back on. You go around the house, turn these on and forget about emergency light for a week while you deal with other problems.
    Mart Hale told me that he might make one one these with one "D" cell. That would do the trick. Add a second one and it gets even better.

    @Luc----I will try working with the coil windings and the capacitors to see if this can be made more efficiect and resonated better. Another idea has come up about frequency. If the LED blinked, our eyes would not be able to detect it if it was just above 60Hz. The thinking is that the energy needed to blink the light at that low frequency would be less. How to get the circuit to resonate at that low a rate is the question.

    Cheers,
    Lidmotor

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    • Regarding Lidmotor's video, he was wondering about the transformation of the sine waveform to the square wave form when he turns the pot.

      I believe this to be due to the high biasing of the transistor...basically you are pushing the transitor into saturation by increasing the Ic (collector current) through increase of the Ib (base current).

      I wrote about this as a part of a potential explanation for the "h" form in the Bedini SSG in another thread: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post42916 , but I guess my post was ignored, either because nobody else knew what I was talking about, or maybe I don't know what I'm talking about

      Picture is worth a thousand words so anyone intersted in this can view a video about transistor biasing where you can see how biasing affects the transistor: YouTube - Biasing an Audio Transistor (6'20" is important part but you need to watch the whole thing)

      Next...

      Anyone ever looked into whether LEDs have any other characteristic?

      Well, regarding resonance, the LEDs will light brighter at certain frequencies than others, especially when they are part of a tank circuit because they have capacity as well.

      For example my super bright LEDs have about 75pF capacity so when they are in the RF circuit their capacitance has to be looked at as well as contributing to the overall operation...
      Last edited by amigo; 01-26-2009, 09:01 PM.
      Are the ravings of a lunatic signs of a genius?

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      • Hi all.
        Excuse my ignorance, but is the joule thief output that charges the battery similar than Bedini radiant spike? And how does the joule thief circuit behave if input voltage varies in amplitudes from 2 to say 12v? Can it hold up or does it just stop working if the voltage changes too much? If it has no problems in adapting to the varying voltages, then this could be a good solution how to get most of a wind turbine generator out at low wind speeds when it can not generate more than 12v that are needed for conventional charging
        Thanks,
        Jetijs
        It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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        • @ jetjis

          I always enjoy your questions, but rarely have an answer. I'll try varying my voltage input when I can and will let you know. I think that it could work if disruptive discharge from capacitor was manually switched into the Bifiliar coil - windmill could do this - then the voltage produced would be high enough. I've outlined a theory why voltage increases in a coil btw, on Aromaz thread.
          Atoms move for free. It's all about resonance and phase. Make the circuit open and build a generator.

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          • Very good points amigo.

            Thanks for sharing

            Luc

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            • Joule Thief kept alive

              @ Everyone---- I decided to keep my thief going to the end because when it came time to pull the plug this afternoon the nearly dead battery had recharged to 1.15 volts. I will swap the batteries again just before I go to bed. Tomorrow will be day 10 if it makes it.
              @ Amigo and Luc ---I worked with the coil today on a seperate circuit and found that it is more critical than I thought. The new coil (same core with more wraps) performed much better but the wave form was NOT a sine wave at all. Amigo ---I will go back and look at your info about what is going with the bias on the transistor.
              @ Jetijs-- I have run this circuit using an adjustable voltage regulator. It works just fine. Slayer007 has a "Big Joule Thief" circuit that works fine on 12 volts. The JT circuits that I have built so far act just like Bedini circuits. The 1n4007 diode is just replaced with an LED. I don't know how this would work on a wind generator. It is worth looking into.

              Here is a video of scope shots of the new coil-------

              YouTube - Joule Thief nears end


              Lidmotor

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              • @lidmotor, I think by placing the charging battery like you currently do, it would charge up at both when the transistor is on and when the transistor is off. If you connect charging battery negative to source battery positive, the amp draw should reduce more. Your circuit would behave more like Bedini charger, it charge when the transistor is off.

                I think you would see more spike using this configuration.
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                Last edited by sucahyo; 01-27-2009, 07:50 AM.

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                • Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
                  @lidmotor, I think by placing the charging battery like you currently do, it would charge up at both when the transistor is on and when the transistor is off. If you connect charging battery negative to source battery positive, the amp draw should reduce more. Your circuit would behave more like Bedini charger, it charge when the transistor is off.

                  I think you would see more spike using this configuration.
                  I think you get a faster charge going to negative like Lidmotor did.

                  I noticed on my pulse generator that when going to negative the amp intake is allmost half and the current out is allso a lot more.

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                  • Charge battery return

                    Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
                    @lidmotor, I think by placing the charging battery like you currently do, it would charge up at both when the transistor is on and when the transistor is off. If you connect charging battery negative to source battery positive, the amp draw should reduce more. Your circuit would behave more like Bedini charger, it charge when the transistor is off.

                    I think you would see more spike using this configuration.
                    @sucahyo-----I initially tried the charge battery return going to the source battery positive. If you look closely at my diagram you can see where I whited it out. Paul's circuit is the way I have it now-- going back to the emmiter. Both ways work. When I first set this up I even pulled the LED and used a 1N4007 diode to get this as close to a Bedini charging circuit as I could. Now after watching this JT run for such a long time, I'm wondering if a standard SSG circuit could be changed to this. Pull the 1N4007 and put in an LED.

                    Lidmotor

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                    • Originally posted by gotoluc View Post
                      @everyone,

                      I have been quiet for some days but don't think I'm not continuing the Resonance tests!... I even dream of it when I sleep

                      Two days ago I discovered something new (to me anyways) to which I will share a circuit very soon.

                      I am able to get my coils resonating using only one wire as an input pulse!... no return and no ground!... how's that for efficiency

                      I am not claiming overunity but things are getting really efficient

                      Stay tuned

                      Luc

                      I found once a Vid on youtube about something simialar, its a Energy from Air Video, but i lost the Link, just did keep a Screenshot of it.
                      Theorizer are like High Voltage. A lot hot Air with no Power behind but they are the dead of applied Work and Ideas.

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                      • @Lidmotor, ok. I suggest that because it reduce the current draw on my circuit.

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                        • Originally posted by Joit View Post
                          I found once a Vid on youtube about something simialar, its a Energy from Air Video, but i lost the Link, just did keep a Screenshot of it.
                          Hi Joit,

                          I tested this a while back and here are my results: YouTube - Free Energy " One of a Kind Device " Claim Test

                          Luc

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                          • Energy from the air device

                            Originally posted by gotoluc View Post
                            Hi Joit,

                            I tested this a while back and here are my results: YouTube - Free Energy " One of a Kind Device " Claim Test

                            Luc
                            @ Luc thanks for the warning. I almost built one of these awhile back when someone showed me the link to the video. Glad that I didn't waste my time. It sounded fishy to me.
                            I stopped both joule thief experiments yesterday. One was at day 10 and the other at day 7. The voltage on the day 10 thief was .91 and 1.04. His eyes were getting kinda dim. I built another JT yesterday and "boxed" it. This one uses a coil with more wraps and "D" cell alkaline batteries. I'm not going to run it non-stop but I figure that whenever I need the light, it will be there. The only limitation would be the shelf life of the batteries or at least 1000 hrs run time.

                            Lidmotor

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                            • Alkaline batteries in a JT

                              I'm running another test on the JT charging circuit using alkaline AAs instead of NiMHs and the results are encouraging. The batteries came out of a camera that said they were dead. I thought that this would be a good test to see if my original JT charger would run on them and for how long. The test is going into it's 4th day! I'm cycling the cells twice a day to keep the voltages on both closer. The combined voltage is about the same as it was 4 days ago. The light output is better than the NiMHs because the source voltage is higher. The voltages are staying around 1.3 to 1.4 volts. The charge battery goes up to 1.46 on the longer runs. The source battery settles down to 1.35.
                              This circuit is singing a beautiful song. I don't understand the lyrics but I'm sure enjoying the tune.

                              Lidmotor

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                              • @ Lidmotor

                                Did you try adding a secondary coil on your JT yet?

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