Origin of Oil

[Aaron]

This discussion started on
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ted-water.html
so I started this to keep on topic:

It sometimes bothers me that with the discovery of petroleum no one has ever undertaken the task to find out what purpose the oil serves the planet.

My idea is that it is tectonic plate lubrication. When there is enough lubrication, the plates can slide more easily. With less, they can get more friction, build tension then release it in earthquakes, which are occuring more and more.

It seems that it can be Earth generated and nothing to do with dinosaurs - one of the biggest hoaxes probably.

But if it possibly came from elsewhere, then the below idea.

In the Kolbrin Bible, it discusses the Great Destroyer (basically describing Planet X or Nibiru) coming close to Earth and full details of what happens to the Earth, the atmosphere, etc... dripping black liquid from the sky to the ground, etc...

Also, check this reference on Immanuel Velikovsky:
immanuel velikovsky oil - Google Search

"Worlds in Collision"

[ashtweth]

Whooly Cow Aaron. My grandmother said the EXACT same thing as you just did, you just made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

Ash

[Guest]

How about HHO between the core and the mantle? It will be rotating but with friction against the mantle because it is gaseous. I believe HHo is responsible for many things including generation of new materials by fusion and volcanoes. Remember all the neutrinos making earth grow year by year as pointed out by Konstantin Meyl. There is fusion and there is fission and there is a logic to both processes. We just miss the simple logic I believe. One logic is magnetic energy turning into electric energy causing transmutation after ignition.

[wpage]

Points and counters

Theories are just that till proven. Scientists and others argue and write over whats popular time and again. Did ancient Comets run amok and spash cosmic tar across the universe?
Others ague how much oil is left and when will it run out

Like Gold and other commodities oils rarity determines its value based on demand and supply.


Like silver and gold regardless of its origin...

Oil will always be popular

Its a excellent energy producer

[DavidE]

Isn't it generally accepted that oil = matter > matter is energy?

Converting oil (matter) > energy simply requires a resonant release frequency field?

Kanzius took salt water > folded in rf (specific) and out comes a fuel source at room temperature.

Earth is a dipole, water (oil) just one of many forms of electrolyte (with capacitive memory).

Or not.

[theremart]

Origins of Oil...

I being a creationist, believe oil was created along with the fossils with a world wide flood. Some thing of this nature of this video.... again this is theory, as no one was there to see it themselves, we can only look at what we see around us and make our best guess.

YouTube - Was there a Global Flood?

I have noted that many tropical plants have been found in the artic, and historically the earth had much more oxygen then it does now from levels of oxygen that has been found in fossils.

I find it interesting so many cultures around the world mention the same type of story of a boat and a flood.

Noah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Ted Ewert]

From Paul Noel...
"...The actual process for making oil is pretty simple and pretty well established. It works like this.

(1) Methane from either inorganic or organic process sources percolates upward through geologic formations until it reaches a Shale Layer.

(2) In the Shale Layer, there are a series of Trans-Uranium elements including Uranium and also a pretty fair amount of Iron etc. This mixture of metallic elements which is used in Oil drilling to detect deposits, catalytically recombines the methane and links it into various long chain hydrocarbons and a series of Benzene and similar compounds. Occasionally it will link to form Graphite. This process is not the process of ages. It is very fast and the outcome is equilibrium driven to a fairly exact outcome in a geologic instant. (Literally in days or less) Now anybody questioning the process better wise up to the fact that the process known as Catalytic Cracking of Oil was developed from knowing the Shale process. It was discovered to be working underground in the 1930's.

Sourcing for the Methane has been much of a question for a long time. The association of Coal deposits and similar was assumed for a long time to be the source of the methane for this process. This is the source of the Biologic theory of Oil Formation that is assumed by many to be fact.

Recent Research in Alabama Coal Field Gas deposits has given complete lie to this theory. It was assumed in the late 1970's when Alabama Coal Gas deposits were first drilled that the natural gas in them was from the coal itself interacting with the water in the area. The process was assumed to have sourced the carbon from the coal. Upon drilling the fields the carbon content of the fields was a measured quantity and it was assumed that the coal deposits would have their gas content depleted by 1990. Alabama Coal field deposits saw their productivity rise and rise and there has been no decline in the gas production through 2008.

By mid 1990's a serious question developed over the sourcing of Natural Gas. It was assumed that the developments would have run the fields out already. Their production was climbing. The production curves indicated a rise might include 100 times more production than previously estimated. The problem with this estimate was that neither depletion of the coal nor even evidence of any reduction of gas saturation became evident. If the coal was being converted into Natural Gas, it should have begun to have noticeable reductions in coal deposits in the area and none was observed. They had lowered mountains by up to 60 feet by the process and the coal veins were not thinned. The process removes a lot of water. This was the reduction in Mountain elevation. No effect was found on the coal deposits or the saturation of Natural Gas in the Coal. Water was actually depleted in the coal. So where was the natural gas coming from?

Research accumulated by the State of Alabama at the University of Alabama in Tuscaloosa found that all evidence pointed to the Shale as a cap preventing the escape of natural gas that was actually sourced far below the site. It was merely a cover. They also found a fair amount of oil developed in the shale boundary. The Coal Field Gas in the USA is not Biologic in Origin. The location of it in Coal fields is an accident of the fact that coal geology includes Shale above it. It is just that a coal field is a good catcher of the gas.

The cracking process for natural gas into other compounds is an equilibrium process. It is simply a kinetic energy measure. *combination of heat and pressure as one factor* The higher the pressure the more it tends to Natural Gas. The lower the pressure the more it tends to Oil up to about 10,000 feet down in the ground, then as the pressure lowers it again cracks towards Natural Gas. This is why US Oil, typically a shallow oil, is very heavy fraction crude oil. Middle eastern Oil a bit deeper typically is more light fraction oil. In the South Alabama Gas fields which are very deep (up to 7 miles) the fraction is nearly 99% Natural Gas.

These facts point aggressively to a theory that the Russians have of "Magma Oil". There is a very real possibility that Oil as we know it and Natural Gas have no biologic origin at all.

One curious factor that is not well known is the radiological data on the age of the oil. It would be assumed, if you believe in the "generally accepted" oil theory of biologic origins, that the radiologic age of the Oil would be about 220 million years. Actually the radiological age of nearly the entire inventory of coal and oil and Natural Gas is about 44,000 years. This is inconsistent with any of the accepted theories for either the age of the earth, evolutionary age or the supposed processes for their formation.

One process that was discovered in Alabama in Coal fields is quite interesting. The Carbon in Coal is known to be transient in the Coal. Carbon moving in from lower depths displaces the carbon at an elevation and the upper carbon moves upwards. The structure of the coal remains essentially the same during this process. This migration is not particularly slow. The entire inventory of a coal vein can be exchanged in a matter of a few thousand years. This brings up many questions on Geology and pretty much smashes all of the accepted theories. It is obvious that a great deal of migration of materials happens in the earth's crust and it is fairly rapid. It is obvious that the layers and content of the layers is always dynamically in flux. For example the Iridium layer known as the KT boundary is probably nothing but a chromatological layer. That is a collection filtration that happens as things move geologically. I know this will torque the brain of a lot of people. It says that the earth is a much more dynamic place with much more going on than we thought we knew."

Sepp Hasslberger: Renewable Coal, Oil and Gas - Hydrocarbons of Geological Origin

[Doc]

There is no oil shortage

I read a research article about 10 years ago (i wish i could find it again) written by a proffessor who claimed that there was no shortage of oil. Many of the old wells that had "dried up" over time filled up again. One of the states in the USA that had plenty of oil in the 1930's and had all run dry, actually had oil in them again about 15 years later.

He also stated that one could virtually drill anywhere on the planet and strike oil. The problem is that in many cases it is not cost effective to do so as these depths were extreme.

The so called "fossil" fuel claim is also bogus. At the depths that current wells are drilling at, there are no fossils or organic matter.

Another interesting fact that came to light is that the new lead free fuels were actually worse for the environment that leaded fuels.

I will go scrounge around to see if I can find the original paper, it truly was an eye opener, and of course never saw the light of day in the media.

[rmay635703]

I rather have lead free fuel but also "additive" free as well.

The trouble is the oil barrons need what we are calling gasoline to be difficult to run lean so they add nasty materials to accomplish this.

First was the lead additive which actually damaged engines (ever notice your new car lasts longer than your car from the 60's) It also caused a great increase in insanity amoung the youth of our country and a notable decrease in mental issues came about after it was discontinued.

The best solution would be to not use gasoline at all and if we use coal run the exhaust through an algae to make biodiesel and clean it to 0 emissions.

Also methane hydrates from the ocean floor would make excellent motor fuel.

The trouble with oil (or any other large resource) regardless of its source are the special interests that will surround it.

[Doc]

I fully agree.
It just highlites how much BS there is out there, just to fleece our pockets. If technology had been allowed to progress without interference, the world would be a very different place

[vzon17]

I read a research article about 10 years ago (i wish i could find it again) written by a proffessor who claimed that there was no shortage of oil. Many of the old wells that had "dried up" over time filled up again. One of the states in the USA that had plenty of oil in the 1930's and had all run dry, actually had oil in them again about 15 years later.

He also stated that one could virtually drill anywhere on the planet and strike oil. The problem is that in many cases it is not cost effective to do so as these depths were extreme.

The so called "fossil" fuel claim is also bogus. At the depths that current wells are drilling at, there are no fossils or organic matter.

Another interesting fact that came to light is that the new lead free fuels were actually worse for the environment that leaded fuels.


I will go scrounge around to see if I can find the original paper, it truly was an eye opener, and of course never saw the light of day in the media.

Yeah we have plenty of oil. in fact recently we dicoverd another huge supply in south dakota' and alos we have tons of oil in Alaska. we have enough oil to last us centuries at a continued growth rate. the russians also found huge amounts. We now have bigger deposits than the Arabs.
watch these 8 videos by Lindsay williams very revealing.

YouTube - Lindsey Williams - The Energy Non-Crisis - Part 1 of 8

Lindsay predicted the $50 dollar oil a long time ago and it came to pass. he has some good connections.

[rmay635703]

I thought it was north dakota, but then again there were many wells from texas up to the north and to the east up through Kentucky years ago.

More evidense of the energy non-crisis I guess

USGS Release: 3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation—25 Times More Than 1995 Estimate— (4/10/2008 2:25:36 PM)

My uncle used to live in a "former" oil producing state and he talked about how the government forced all the small oil wells closed in the 70's while he lived there, he never could figure out why they would close oil wells that were still producing.

Perhaps there is enough that it could become less profitable

[Electrotek]

Velikovski Was Right

I just read about a week ago that Halley's Comet was four times bigger than they had expected. Only a small amount of light was reflected because most of the comet is made out of oil shale.

[shawn]

Having worked on drilling rigs years ago, I used to sit with the geologists on occasion and several wisened me up to the fact that oil is a bacterial product.
Some may have come from old deposits of creatures, but really insignificant amounts.
The big deposits take a long time to fill up and have been there for a long time so the myth of fossil fuels is easy to sell.

I know they sure dump a lot of bacteria-cide down well holes to keep the bugs in line when they are working a hole.
This is one type I have seen truck loads of 55 gal drums worth going into an area:
http://pr-rp.pmra-arla.gc.ca/PR_SOL/...e1?p_ukid=6456

[patmac]

I was thinking about it too.

Everybody thinks oil origin was dinosaurs age... But make biofuel is really easy take a little time this no makes sense, now, if we use high pressuer and high temperature this process can be really accelerated. For example theory says diammonds is carbon and after coal after graphite after diammond. But if we take graphite and using very high temperature we can make diammond (not high quality but diammond).

The oil on the earth can have millions years but can have only thousands too I'm not sure.