That was unexpected.... (Magnacoaster)

[Ted Ewert]

The guy is probably not on the up and up. He is a scammer and to tell you the truth this looks a lot like koneheads work with out the splatter coils to collect the north on north or south on south splatter that konehead was working on.
Weather or not he is a scammer could we please focus on the method of generation that he is saying he is doing. Figuring out weather or not the man is a scammer is very hard work. Even harder then proving his method is in error. Lets focus on the method and see for ourselves. If we prove his technology is not legit then there is proof positive that it is a scam. You can talk to anyone who says they bought something but what if they are not telling the truth.
Lets just look at what he is doing build it and see for ourselves if it is real or not. I am almost finished with my build. just waiting for some neo's to arrive and a better steel laminent conduit to test with.

I've done a lot of work and research around the type of device Willis claims to be building. Unfortunately, his patent is so vague and general it's impossible to know exactly what he is building. Without plans, how can anyone know whether or not what he's building will work or not?
I know that his idea of magnets on the ends of a coil won't work. I've tried that 16 different ways and it doesn't produce squat.
I have serious doubts about this guy, but who knows.

Ted

[Jbignes5]

I've done a lot of work and research around the type of device Willis claims to be building. Unfortunately, his patent is so vague and general it's impossible to know exactly what he is building. Without plans, how can anyone know whether or not what he's building will work or not?
I know that his idea of magnets on the ends of a coil won't work. I've tried that 16 different ways and it doesn't produce squat.
I have serious doubts about this guy, but who knows.

Ted

It's not about the coild getting energy all the time you need to either interupt the stream of magnetic attraction between the two sets and let the accelerated collapse from the magnets do the work or by using the splatter effct and generating from the huge 360 degree pancake that squirts out of the north on north collision provides.
The patent is generic because it was done last year on the basic thoery and setup to protect his idea. Thats what patents are for. Thats why it is so hard to replicate any patent from the first copy of the patent. The general idea is there and thats all they need for a patent.
As reported the units he made that he says has OU has been based off of the priciple of this patent. We will never make a unit exactly like his but the patent has to be workable from the base idea otherwise he is not patenting anything real.
Making a unit and seeing if it really is capable of working from the base idea is a better way of proving weather it is capable of what he says. Much easier then going from hearsay and reports from people who we have no idea bought anything from the man. Weather he is a scammer or not shouldn't make a difference. It's weather the idea is sound and works in the described setup from the current patent.
Everything else will work out from there if the most basic design doen't work. Sitting around and bashing the guy without investigating the technology in his version is pointless unless you have proof it doesn't work and not from you thinking or getting reports that are hearsay that he is scamming people.

[Ted Ewert]

I've read his patent and I'm still trying to find something unique in it. I have already built and tried everything he talks about, and am quite familiar with these types of devices.
Nevertheless, I think you should certainly build whatever you think it is and see for yourself. What exactly are you building?

Ted

[ewizard]

Jbignes5, Thanks for your efforts in trying to validate this concept. I believe Willis said he had gone to a solid state switching to generate a field rather than a rotating physical unit. However the problem I see with validating something like this is there are probably hundreds if not thousands of little variations that any one of which could make a difference between failure and success. Willis appears to have been working on this for at least 2 years before offering it. If he really has something it has taken him a long time to find the right combination. So I wish you luck in duplicating this - that will be great if you do.

However in the meantime I think there is no reason we should not believe Rickoff's contact if he does ever get the device. After waiting so long I'd bet that person would be more than happy to say it's a scam if it is a scam. A few years ago I saw someone selling a device on eBay that looked somewhat similar to this. I contacted a buyer to see if it worked. He said it did seem to be working so far. I've never been able to track down the seller or buyer since and have never seen anything like it on eBay since. I think there is very probably something along this line that will work. I look forward to hearing where this goes. I hope to soon be trying some things myself but just yesterday blew 2 Caps in my 400 Mhz scope I was planning on putting to good use in my research

[rickoff]

I've read his patent and I'm still trying to find something unique in it.

Same with me, Ted. And let's keep in mind that it is only a patent application - not a patent. I don't think he will be granted a patent based on the application, simply because there is nothing novel about his method, whether it works or not.

Rick

[rickoff]

As reported the units he made that he says has OU has been based off of the priciple of this patent. We will never make a unit exactly like his but the patent has to be workable from the base idea otherwise he is not patenting anything real. Making a unit and seeing if it really is capable of working from the base idea is a better way of proving weather it is capable of what he says. Much easier then going from hearsay and reports from people who we have no idea bought anything from the man. Weather he is a scammer or not shouldn't make a difference. It's weather the idea is sound and works in the described setup from the current patent.

Everything else will work out from there if the most basic design doen't work. Sitting around and bashing the guy without investigating the technology in his version is pointless unless you have proof it doesn't work and not from you thinking or getting reports that are hearsay that he is scamming people.

I would agree that if you think his method has any merit then you should go ahead and build it to see for yourself, and I wish you good luck in that endeavor. Let's keep in mind, though, that there is no patent - only a patent application. The source who provided me information about his problems, after ordering a unit from Richard Willis, is a source that I consider very credible. If this were not so, then I would not have posted that information. His delayed delivery, or non delivery of product, does not in and of itself necessarily point to fraud. It could be, of course, that Willis is just a terrible businessman who has gotten in over his head by making promises that he cannot keep. Still, when you take into consideration the other relevant factors, this does smell more and more like fraud. Consider this:

1. In his appearance on Canada Broadcasting Company's Dragon's Den, Willis was offered a one million dollar deal by entrepreneur Brett Wilson. Wilson put just one caveat on the million dollar deal: Willis who rolled out a demo on stage, had to prove that his technology worked as claimed. Needless to say a year later the deal never happened. How is it that Willis was unable to prove his device worked as claimed? A one million dollar deal should certainly have been worth an all out effort on his part to show proof to Brett Wilson. After all, that's what he agreed to do in front of a national TV audience.
2. While on the Dragon's Den show (YouTube - Dragon's Den - Vorktex MagnaCoaster Power Generation ), Willis stated his claim that his unit only used 18 watts of power, but produced 50 kilowatts of power. That, of course would be 2,777 % overunity. He claimed that the University of Waterloo, Canada, tested his unit, and that in the first test they performed it showed 2600% overunity. Well, I contacted the University, and also the Technology Park adjacent to the University, which assists inventors in moving worthwhile projects forward, and no one there knew anything about Willis. I also contacted Willis and asked him for the name of any specific person at Waterloo University who could provide confirmation, and he did not provide that. If he really had the unit tested, you can be sure that he would have asked for document proof of the test and test results, which would obviously be a great sales tool, and would be very happy and eager to provide a copy to anyone asking for it.
3. The Dragon's Den appearance showed nothing more than a black box that powered six 100 watt light bulbs for a few minutes. It proved nothing, and could easily have been accomplished with a 12 volt battery hidden in the box. Likewise, nothing in any of his YouTube videos, or website material, offer any substantive proof that his claims are verifiable.

So you see, my skepticism is well founded. Because of that, I'm not interested in chasing after something that appears to me to be phoney. I do agree, however, that we can't totally rule out his claims unless someone here attempts to replicate it and scores a zero. Therefore, I will look forward to hearing your test results. Again, best of luck to you,

Rick

[boguslaw]

This patent should be void. There is nothing new here except maybe additional magnets. All other is copied from tesla method of conversion patent.Ok,that maybe patentable actual embodiment of the general method but not general method because that was already in public domain.
I hate such ways to limit use of actual invention by sneaking in the different implementation as a general idea.
The same for Kapanadze patent.

[Jbignes5]

I agree

I agree with everyone. I am not saying to buy anything from the man. And would not recommend doing so. But before I say he has nothing there I want to make sure what he says to be true in the patent application is true. If it is true that the method works then that would be proof that he is a bad business practicer but it would not invalidate his offering.
I have to agree again, from first look, that most of what you are seeing in the patent application is nothing new. I myself referenced the splatter coil setup. Kone or Konehead descibed that method of bemf collection in an document called " BEMF-Recoil Recovery BatteryCharger-By KoneheadX.
I have the document in question and can file attach it if anyone would like since it is a pdf file of no bigger then 670k bytes. You should be able to search for the document in google as an alternative.
I think you really have to see a setup to understand the method before you see the big picture. I'll see if I can get you a snapshot of the mag rig before you understand what he is trying to do.

[ashtweth]

Guys i just got a call form a volunteer who does work for Panacea apparently they secured the dealership for the magnacoaster in AUST, this guy does volunteer work for us ALSO so he is a good friend of ours, ill try and get some data back on it, apparently it will be here in a month or so running. Ill film and get some testing.

Dont know how close i can get to it tho , i wouldn't let me near it, once open source always

[ewizard]

Guys i just got a call form a volunteer who does work for Panacea apparently they secured the dealership for the magnacoaster in AUST, this guy does volunteer work for us ALSO so he is a good friend of ours, ill try and get some data back on it, apparently it will be here in a month or so running. Ill film and get some testing.

Dont know how close i can get to it tho , i wouldn't let me near it, once open source always

That's great! Thanks for checking into this and hopefully a unit actually shows up. Since your friend is a dealer and does not yet have a unit maybe we can hope this is a sign that no one has one due to problems they are having with getting everything fully ready for roll out. That may be wishful thinking on my part but from experience in a field where we often wait months to well over a year for many devices to be ready after they were promised I know well the hangups that can happen in getting a product out the door. Hopefully Rickoff's friend will also get one.
While things don't look too good at the moment with this I want to leave the door open for all possibilities until it is proven one way or another.

[rickoff]

I know well the hangups that can happen in getting a product out the door. Hopefully Rickoff's friend will also get one.
While things don't look too good at the moment with this I want to leave the door open for all possibilities until it is proven one way or another.

Just heard from my friend today, and here is what he said;

I sent a letter demanding my money back about a month ago...and got a message back that they will be shipping to me the first of march. I sent a message back again asking for my money back and again they said they will be shipping in march ... so they are ingoring my request. they have also stolen the main switching board for the device from a friend of mine. He is trying to get them to pay for it or return it and not use it in their device. So it is realy a messs.....

[ewizard]

rickoff, thanks for the followup. Do I understand correctly that he stole a physical switching board ? Or a switching board idea? Either way it does sound like your friend is in a situation I wouldn't want to be in. However it sounds like he may only have another week or so to wait for the device (or the next excuse). Hopefully it's the former.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, i notice in the patent application drawings that in all the drawings the output bridge rectifier is wired wrong, i see someone pointed this out, but could this be an operational principle involved similar to water sparkplug circuit. Also what about the fact in previous videos with motor timing setup, he was using a dead battery and powering loads that otherwise without device running wouldnt even power up the inverter. Seems this dead battery thing is a theme running that others have noticed, maybe a partial electret effect. any thoughts.
peace love light
Tyson

[Jbignes5]

What are we not connecting here.

Like so many others, Tesla, Brandt, and Gray they are using a potential difference to make the unit operate not anything else. If one simply added two pancake coils around the gaps that the splatter would come out of one would see that he is only capturing the potential and then comparing it to the other potential. So this is what I propose:
............S
........(mag1)
........(mag2)
........(mag3)
............N
.._____ .... _____....<-Tesla pancake coil + To collect the potential from the splatter: Second part
........._____
.........|......|
......__|......|__
.....|...|......|...|
.....|...|......|...|....<- energizing coil with core, bemf collector to run the first part
.....|...|......|...|
.....|...|......|...|
.....|...|......|...|
.....|__|......|__|
.........|......|
.........|____|
.._____ .... _____....<-Tesla pancake coil - To collect the potential from splatter: Second part
.............S
.........(mag4)
.........(mag5)
.........(mag6)
.............N


All one would need to do is run the coil to buck the mags field to splatter into the pancake coils and use that much like Tesla did. This is a pump like action but it should work as stated. Rarely can you make a real device from patent information. Konehead reported that the splatter from his setup could blow meters. So that means it is so high in voltage potential just like in the Tesla version. One would need a cap and transformer with an alternating switch to bring it to ac voltages in order to get this to ac current. Other wise it would be zero phase pulsed dc on the output. There will be no voltage if the potentials didn't pulse I would think but I might be wrong there.

[vrand]

Update from overunity.com on magnacoaster:

Magnacoaster is hiring
Magnacoaster is hiring

They also have the installation guide in pdf:
http://lab.magnacoaster.com/magna/In...n_guide_09.pdf

When I emailed magnacoaster back in March "they should be going out by the middle of April, but the waiting list for orders right this minute is at least 90 to 120 days."

Looking forward to customer reviews, as I would like one to power my home.

Thanks-Mike R.